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Old 03-27-2008, 01:15 PM   #21
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lol @ embracing dysfunction. If by dysfunction you mean scoffing at something other than the norm then i guess youre right. do you also not like couples that divorce with kids? or single mothers?

i dont see a problem here, 2 ppl in love have a kid yada yada.
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lol @ embracing dysfunction. If by dysfunction you mean scoffing at something other than the norm then i guess youre right. do you also not like couples that divorce with kids? or single mothers?

i dont see a problem here, 2 ppl in love have a kid yada yada.
His problem is that it doesn't fit his idea of what is right.

In other words it's his dysfunction that is the issue not theirs.
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That's a pretty big leap to make. A pregnant tranny (or whatever the female equivalent is) who's whoring himself to the media, to a divorced couple or a single mother.

Life isn't that clearly black and white.

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i dont see a problem here, 2 ppl in love have a kid yada yada.
Most naive statement ever made.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:35 PM   #24
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His problem is that it doesn't fit his idea of what is right.

In other words it's his dysfunction that is the issue not theirs.
It isn't an issue of morality. My concern is for the environment that the child will grow up in. It isn't even born yet and the parents are already in the media spot light, and over an issue that 90% of people will think is wrong.

Everytime we try to reinvent the idea of a family, it gets fucked up.

I'm not a redneck honest.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:37 PM   #25
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Proud of what? Embracing dysfunction? No thank you. It isn't enough that they are doing this, but that they are media whoring as well.

In my world view (agree or not), men have a ***** and don't give birth. You want to change your body, then fine you have to live with it. As soon as you add a kid to the mix, it is not longer all about you.
you seemed ok with it earlier in the thread...?

bash for media whoring all you want. I'm saying that there's lots of different things to be and just because you dont agree, it doesn't make it wrong. How long ago was it that it was unthinkable to be born out of wedlock? Or how people would be shunned for getting a divorce--if they even could.

In 50 years society will be dealing with even more bizzare scenarios than this and look back and say "remember when it was just tranny men having babies? life was so simple."

So people disagree with the lifestyle. That doesn't guarantee bad parenting.

And yes, there will be lots of long conversations in that family.
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Ask yoursselves this.... How would you like to find out one day that your father is technically your mother and you came out of her and the woman who you thought was your mother isnt even blood related. I think its irresponsible of these people. Im not against gay people, I have gay friends and some of my best neighbors are gay. But like Jay said when you involve children it changes this completely. We may not understand as adults but childern deffinately wont understand. I predict a very rough childhood for this kid.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:51 PM   #27
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Ask yoursselves this.... How would you like to find out one day that your father is technically your mother and you came out of her and the woman who you thought was your mother isnt even blood related. I think its irresponsible of these people. Im not against gay people, I have gay friends and some of my best neighbors are gay. But like Jay said when you involve children it changes this completely. We may not understand as adults but childern deffinately wont understand. I predict a very rough childhood for this kid.
Psychologically, how far detached is this scenario from finding out that you were adopted, ie your father isn't your father and your mother isn't your mother.

I agree, this kid's gonna be fucked up, and it's not fair to him/her. But again, how is it any different than Bubba and Gina popping out their 5th kid, living in a trailer while being subsidized by welfare and gubbament cheese?
Neither scenario favors success.
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you seemed ok with it earlier in the thread...?
If you got that impression from what I wrote, I apologize for that. I'm pretty strong in my feelings that these people are doing a disservice to their unborn child. Their actions are obviously very thought out and deliberate, who are they thinking of?

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bash for media whoring all you want. I'm saying that there's lots of different things to be and just because you dont agree, it doesn't make it wrong. How long ago was it that it was unthinkable to be born out of wedlock? Or how people would be shunned for getting a divorce--if they even could.
Agreed, lots of things have become acceptable. Doesn't necessarily mean it has been good for society as a whole. I hate to say this, but the break down of the family is a large cause of a lot of the problems we have today. My opinion of course. I'm not going to stone anyone, or start lynching people ... yet

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In 50 years society will be dealing with even more bizzare scenarios than this and look back and say "remember when it was just tranny men having babies? life was so simple."

So people disagree with the lifestyle. That doesn't guarantee bad parenting.

And yes, there will be lots of long conversations in that family.
Where does it stop? Are we forced to accept everything? We don't accept pedophilia, the majority of people will say that is wrong, in fact it's one of the most horrible crimes in the eyes of most. In 50 years will we be asked to accept that? Hard to comprehend that, but go back 50 years with the idea of a transgendered woman and his wife having a baby and see how accepting people would have been. The idea would have been incomprehensible. Just like the idea of pedophilia being "normal" is to us to day.

NOTE: I am not saying there is ANY relationship between one or the other.

Sorry, just because it will become common doesn't make it right or good. Divorce is bad, but common. Single parent families aren't ideal, but common. Should we strive for the common or the ideal? How many kids of divorced parents have serious baggage resulting from the split? We make it too easy, imagine if walking away from your kids was as easy as dissolving a marriage. It would be an epidemic.

I say this situation sucks and will be damaging for everyone involved. Not because I don't agree with the lifestyle. My thoughts or feelings on the lifestyle, or the morality of it have nothing to do with my stance on bringing up a child in a very difficult environment. I couldn't careless what people do.

While a lot of people will say there is nothing wrong with what these people are doing, I will say there is nothing positive about it either. It's a minefield that most people will not be equipped to deal with. It doesn't mean that bad parenting will result, but the odds are strongly not in their favor.
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Psychologically, how far detached is this scenario from finding out that you were adopted, ie your father isn't your father and your mother isn't your mother.
I agree, this kid's gonna be fucked up, and it's not fair to him/her. But again, how is it any different than Bubba and Gina popping out their 5th kid, living in a trailer while being subsidized by welfare and gubbament cheese?
Neither scenario favors success.

Its different because this kids father is actually his mother.
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hey I think the kid has a leg up having two parents that are willing to go through all this for a their child. as you said, there's a bunch more fucked up situations to be in and this one, to me, doesn't seem so awful. weird, but not awful.
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I hope they home school the kid. Kids can be cruel and if other kids find out school wont be very pleasent.
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Its different because this kids father is actually his mother.
IT isn't that different. It's just another situation that is allowed to continue. This behavior (Habitual, hell generational, users of Welfare) need to stop being rewarded and encouraged.
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hey I think the kid has a leg up having two parents that are willing to go through all this for a their child. as you said, there's a bunch more fucked up situations to be in and this one, to me, doesn't seem so awful. weird, but not awful.
This is probably why we view this differently.

I feel that what they are doing is likely selfish with little thought to the child. They desire to have a child and it doesn't matter how difficult or hard they are doing to do it. You see it in regular straight people too.

I don't think they are going through it for their child, but because THEY want to have a child. It's probably driven by a sense of entitlement, doesn't matter how different they are it is their right to breed.
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Guess I'm a judgmental **** then. I'm comfortable with that, as a parent I find this sort of thing reckless. We do NOT live in a very enlightened society, this child is going to have some issues I promise you.
I agree. That kid will be lucky to survive high school. It's astounding how cruel kids can be to each other. The parents should've kept this a family secret. Now that it's out, that kid won't be able to grow up normal, and it'll likely have little to do with parenting skills.
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does budlight give you the power to see the future now? I dont get how some people already tagging this child as "fucked up." now that right there ia naive. sure, it wont be easy but life isnt easy to begin with. For all you know this could give the child awesome character, tough skin and a very very open mind willing to accept all form of life and society... unlike several people.

assumptions are the mother of all **** ups...
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I don't drink Bud Light. My future seeing abilities are from years of drinking Maple Syrup and eating back bacon.
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I hope they home school the kid. Kids can be cruel and if other kids find out school wont be very pleasent.
**** No.

Homeschool? I have run into a few of those people who were homeschooled with NORMAL parents and they are very messed up, zero social skills.

Kids can be cruel? Adults are much worse.
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homeschooling in California is about to be gone for good. the law is going (or already does) requires a teaching credential. ha ha ha on the evangelicals and their brainwashing of their kids!
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lol at some of the replies.

The way the world is, very simply put....the kid is fucked. I will never know him/her I am sure, but I would say that he/she will not live a very normal life and will in some way end up emotionally scarred from it. Saying that it might help grow a tough skin? That's what the military is for. I agree, men have a *****, and women have vagina's.

People should do and will do whatever they want. But I agree with the earlier comment that they should not be rewarded. Think about how normal families can split and lose rights to their children and how the laws work against real and true parents. Yet laws apparently allow **** like this? I say bleck and ehick....but that's just MY opinion. We are still allowed to have those right?

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