Evolution is NOT a Science
 

I developed a mild eye twitch after watching that.

I only had to go less than a minute in before I could see it was a waste of time. :facepalm:

I only had to see the douche haircut and the word Evangelism to know it was gonna suck, but I watched anyway.

I change my answer. JESUS JUMPING JACK CHRIST! What a douche! How is evolution not part of science?

Has anyone ever seen some clip from a show that tries to prove evolution is nothing but a lie by showing that a banana fits perfectly in a human hand, like it was created by god just for us to eat.....:laugh: Damn I love it.

I will pray for you guys... :laugh:

I know right? Non-slip surface, ergonomic grip, easy eating. God should start designing shit for A.J. Khubani.

This has about as much fact as Global Warming... And yes, I went there...

:laugh:

Where is Hustler!? I need to make sense of all of this!

that is hustler!

I'm more like Jesus' brother...the illigitimate son of Christ.

I like how the Christian MO is not proving a point with facts, its intellectual enslavement. I had a shirt with a picture of a dinosaur on it and it said, "Dear Jesus, Please protect me from your followers." Unfortunately my whore xgf stole it.

One of my favorites:
"There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary."

sounds to me like Jesus may gone for a roll in the manger with his "companion" a few times, lol.

Thank Hustler! It all makes sense now!

Ask, and I shall deliver.

Jesus Protect me from from your followers Shirt from Zazzle.com


p.s. Holy shit. I have a severe eye twitch after seeing that video. Reminds me of Kirk Cameron and the Banana.

Thank you sir, I didn't know his name.




LOL at 1:12... So is my dick, bitch! I'll give you something easy to digest, and it does curve towards your mouth if you stand a bit to my left...

GOD THATS FUCKING STUPID!

Thanks but mine had a big ass dinosaur on the front and it was the shit.

Funny, I got one just like it from my xgf. It looked kinda used....

oh no you didn't!!!

I think my avatar and signature quote speak plenty of my stance on evolution.

Is it still considered unpolite being an outspoken atheist in the states?

Yeah, more or less. It depends on the company of course.

In general, the political/religious climate here is so polarized (IMO) that it is difficult to have a reasonable conversation or debate about either subject in a random group of people.

I'm a non-practicing agnostic.

lol :laugh:

Intense!!!

wait people go to church to believe that crap? If i ever go i'd go for this shit.

YouTube - Baptazia - Super Sunday!

That vid is AWESOME!

Seems to be, in polite company. I've yet to meet a Christian who could accept an atheist being in the same room without trying to help him "see the light". :jerkit:

I love getting the "I'll pray for you" thing from Christians when they find out I am atheist. Sure does piss me off, though I find it funny at the same time. How Christian like to be so understanding and accepting of others despite their beliefs.

Bro, if evolution we're scienceFACT then whenever I go to open a jar of peanut butter I should get new lifeforms. The ENTIRE food industry depends on the fact evolution is myth. Again, the atheist's nightmare!

That.. is not quite the idea about evolution. If peanutbutter isnt your main source of nutrition and you dont have to compete against some other lifeform for it.

One famous swedish comedian did a gig in church about christianity (show was called "tough crowd") where the last punchline was... "well, if i'm going to hell for not being a christian, and you guys (the christians in the crowd condemning him) are going to heaven for eternity, then where's the elevator? Down please!"

Kind of disrespectful, damned funny :) Wouldn't want to try it in some armed and religious part of the states though.

wow, enlightening

one time i'm sitting at college just relaxing and i see this kid with 2 girls enter the lounge. Just the way he was walking i'm like this has to be one of them "join Christianity" people. I sit where i was so the girls start walking towards me and my friend. They start talking to her so i'm like hhmm maybe i'm wrong... i turn around and the guy that was with them is right there 2 feet away looking right at me. What he opens up is

"Do you follow the path of god"

Hes lucky i was feeling good otherwise he would have been sorry going there :laugh:

:eek4::dunno: Make me see the light! What exactly are you talking about, I don't follow.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Faith and reason have a strong connection, but they are not mutually exclusive. When folks come to understand that, discussions that cause growth can take place. With that said, the argument of evolution cannot shake my faith. I don't know what the ultimate answer to this question is, but to me it is a bit like arguing how a car was made while you are driving it. WTF does it matter? As long as you can drive and enjoy it, and fix it when it fails, why not enjoy it?

Perhaps I am naive, but I am happy...

If creationism is an acceptable theory, then this guy is probably pretty close to the truth too, right?



Here's an experiment conducted proving that life cannot evolve without some sort of divine intervention:

1st Place: "Life Doesn't Come From Non-Life"

"Patricia Lewis (grade 8) did an experiment to see if life can evolve from non-life. Patricia placed all the non-living ingredients of life - carbon (a charcoal briquet), purified water, and assorted minerals (a multi-vitamin) - into a sealed glass jar. The jar was left undisturbed, being exposed only to sunlight, for three weeks. (Patricia also prayed to God not to do anything miraculous during the course of the experiment, so as not to disqualify the findings.) No life evolved. This shows that life cannot come from non-life through natural processes."

Are you kidding me??

full article here: Rationality UK: Creation Science Fair...arrrghhh!

BTW, "creation science" is my favorite oxymoron, right after "military intelligence" :D

Creationism an acceptable theory because a smoking gun has not yet been found, not because it is wrong (IE, Mr. Flat Earth).

As for the 8th Graders argument, her logic is sound. However, I believe you did not read, or perhaps understand the first sentence in my fist post on this topic.

No.

It is the other way around isn't it? If you have a strong faith in something, you dont really look or care for reason? As you said yourself.

I mean, there is a lot, a whole lot... in fact, all the scientific evidence that exists in nature points to evolution. As for creationism, there tend to be a lot of explanations constructed to explain why the evidence points elsewhere. Usually it is something like "god works in mysterious ways".

I know that it is impossible to prove that god doesnt exist, and I respect that a lot of people need or want to have faith in god, allah, buddha, trees and rocks, asgard and whatnot. What gets to me is the tendency to toss evidence aside because it doesnt fit the model of life one believes in.

Edit: Mendelian genomics is quite dependent on evolution, and I suspect most people can relate to eyecoloring passing down through the generations. The smoking gun might not have been found (bacteria makes bad fossils) but the bullet trajectory has been traced through millions of years.

The one about faith and reason? I understood it perfectly. But to me, there is no such thing as faith since there is no higher power to believe in. IMHO faith is an outdated concept, a leftover from the time when early humans couldn't explain what was going on around them (the sun comes up, it rains, thunder, etc.) and made up characters and stories to explain it away as some sort of magic. Now we know better, but we have yet to fully graduate from our collective need for some other explanation.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pray for my team to win, do a rain dance, and sacrifice a peasant to the sun god.

LOL.

also who's god is the right one? what about religions with multiple gods?

Finally someone who thinks just like me! :giggle: I've always said exactly that, about how faith and religion was reasonable when humans couldn't explain things like lightning and rain, disease, other natural events. Every day we learn more through science and yet some people still want to explain these things away as an act of a mysterious being of which no proof exists.

And I love how people kill for their god(s). I guess everyones god is the real one. The others are just imagining things.

Every single person on earth is wrong. every one is stupid and needs to keep the opinion about the subject to there self's. unless your a Scientologist, then go kill your self's, and prays zenu.

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i think a lot of people just misunderstand evolution. they think it's some active process when in reality it's very passive.

i wonder if the last piece of human evolution is to eliminate all the ugly people...

This thread needs moar peanut butter.

I would beat him to death with the claw end of a hammer. That is the most fucking retarded argument I have ever heard. Of course peanut butter won't make new life, its fucking crushed up peanuts and sugar... :vash::crx:

I always like the argument of where God came from. They say God was just always there, so why can't energy and matter have always been there? Why do we have to be created by God? God and religion are a good thing for a lot of people. It gives them something to live for and a reason to not be selfish. As more people stop believing in God, they start living only for themselves since there is very little retribution.

I'm Atheist myself, but I know people who might as well kill themselves if they lost faith in God. Evolution I'm sure will one day be proven true. I'm sure creation just needs the right mix of atoms, molecules and energy to produce a single celled organism. We just don't know enough about DNA quite yet to understand how to create it. Unfortunately, it could also be what causes the end of the world. Anyone wanna take bets on if it's found sometime around 2012?

Oh, and I totally wanna smash that jar of peanut butter in that guy's face. No one ever said ANY matter can be turned into life. They also say it requires a shit ton of energy, not a flashlight's worth of light, dumbass.

They've already been making synthetic DNA for years, hoss.

I didn't mean DNA, I meant life. As far as I know, they don't know enough to create a cell from scratch. The synthetic DNA I've seen has been manipulation. If they can, please link me as I'd love to read about it.

Your lack of faith has clearly made you violent. You need to open your heart up to the Savior. Through Him you will see your jar smashing ways are bad. :loser:


I've done the whole "so explain this to me" thing with the bible thumpers but they always some back with something about "God works in mysterious ways" or "You're not supposed to understand everything" (the whole eating the apple from the tree of knowlege thing). It is like talking to a Liberal. You just cannot get them to think clearly or base things on facts. Feelings and Faith are horrible things in the hands of the powerful or the masses. <--- Hmm, maybe I should get that quote attributed to me and sell t-shirts with that printed on it.

Pretty sure they made DNA from raw chemical ingredients a long time ago and coacervates are simple to synthesize.

That's the thing. How else do you prove it but with evidence? Evolution isn't something tangible, and religious people will continue to deny the evidence until science can somehow turn it into something they can touch. Just like the peanut butter thing. Just because life doesn't pop up over night, evolution isn't real. Its a process that takes hundreds of thousands or many millions of years, so of course you can't watch it happen. So in short, it will never be fully accepted. In my opinion, the evidence is overwhelming and even still calling it a theory is a bit strange to me. Are religious people really so insecure about their faith that they will try to hold back science so they can selfishly hold onto their beliefs? Seems so to me from my observations living in the bible beating south.

I believe that some scientists has been able to create a few nucleotides (allthough I can only find half assed sources for this now). Far from DNA as we know it. It doesn't really code for anything, needs extenal enzymes for its replication etc.

Btw, thanks for the peanutbutter clip, that was the most stupid thing I've seen in ages. I'm still wondering what he expected to jump out of the can? I sincerly hope that you've been ironic all this time, because... damn..
(Since the title to the clip was "Chuck Missler takes the misunderstanding of evolution to a whole new level." I suspect that you indeed are ironic).

Like... god? :jerkit:

Yeah, but they got through the longest red light in town without having to wait, that is proof enough of god. Or maybe they won $20 on a scratch off, clearly gods work. Or maybe doctors killed cancer in a family member, obviously gods hand was guiding the doctors hand.

Thats one of my biggest beefs with religion, and Christianity mostly, is that everything is thanks to god. No matter how hard someone works for themselves, all of the credit goes to god. Don't thank the people responsible, thank god for it.

All but bad things, thats the work of satan! Or atheists! Or (insert disliked minority or nationality of your choice). ;)

Holy sweet hell. I'm confident there is tons of life in that peanut butter. So many different types of bacteria are growing in there.

Not long ago I got into a little back and forth argument over Armagedon. From there it moved on to god, from god it when into religion. A friend started firing away about how accepting Jesus Christ is the ticket to salvation. As the argument came to a end he wanted to fuck me with a stupid quote I hear all the fucking time. He says to me... "If a tree falls in the forrest, and no one is there to see it, does it still make noise?" To which I kindly replied "How do you know the tree fell if no one was there to see it fall?? Also lets say someone found the fallen tree so then why is it that nowadays there are a millions stories about how, when and why the tree fell each claiming the exclusive right of being accepted to 'heaven'??"

Religions are nothing but a way of controlling people.

Bacteria is not a life-form according to the Bible, so youre wrong.

...and dinosaur bones were planted by scientists because they couldn't be real. Nothing can be that old. Earth is only a few thousand years old.

touché

Maybe someone should have just put one of those jumping snakes in the jar and freaked the dude out. That would have been hilarious. Or put some maggots in it.

Really, I think Evolution has already been proven just by the problems man has caused. Bringing bugs and animals to different regions of the world, they take over or get killed off and some have adapted. There has been evolution of virus strings and bacteria due to our increase in medications and antibacterial products. So, if we can show that a single cell organism can be created, then show that it can be evolved into a larger, more complex organism, then, at least in my eyes, the theory is totally proven. I'm sure that won't be enough for some people, though.

In the bacteria and virus cases, thats more adaptation than evolution. That aside, there is still PLENTY of evidence, or proof as I like to call it.