funny.
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Ok i only got about two paragraphs in when i started to see the "article" was more a of a pitch for the xede, intercoolers and all that jazz. I really dont get the point. I must be stupid.
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i just find it funny that cosworth is pulling production and blaming it on the pistons.
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Saw that earlier and piped in with my 2 cents. Cosworth must have been following the FFS business model. While they shouldn't have passed the buck by blaming pistons at least they did the right thing and pulled the product. Tom? He's still killin motors.
Are the supercharger companies so ignorant they can't figure out fuel and tune saves motors? |
ive heard someone with the cosworth had the sniper tuning mod done, had like 15:1 in boost.
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I didn't read any of that thread... I jsut saw the bigget fucking flaming ass gaping muther fucking skin-flute strokin' pipe polishing ass pirate ever...... W T F is "sausage king"...... HOEEEEEE LEEEEEE FAAAKING CHIT.
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Originally Posted by leatherface24
(Post 431563)
Ok i only got about two paragraphs in when i started to see the "article" was more a of a pitch for the xede, intercoolers and all that jazz. I really dont get the point. I must be stupid.
Looking at Cosworth's website it appears that the SC came with a new fuel pump, injectors, and the means to reflash the ECU with their fuel & timing map. Clearly it was intended to be an install-and-forget system, and Corky details why that's a false notion with FI cars. Anyone here who has a Megasquirt and has loaded somebody else's .msq can tell you that there is enough variation even on stock motors that it runs a tad rich here, a tad lean there, etc. Not optimal or safe. Who the hell bought one of those after seeing Cosworth's site? The phrase "engine damage" or "engine failure" appears no less than 9 times on that page! It doesn't exactly inspire confidence. And yeah, needz moar pc-pros. :laugh: |
Thread was hella gay, but it was even gayer that Gary closed it.
I've been following this debacle quite a bit, and Corky has seen datalogs from the motors that blew, and does know what he's talking about. Cosworth really missed the boat on that one, and them blaming the *weak* motors couldn't have spelled good things for BEGi. He has every right to tell them that they fucked up, and that -like always- he knows how to do it right. I saw the NC prototype as Corky was wrapping it up, and it amazes me that a small team north of San Antone' properly executed what one of the fabled names in racing failed miserably to do. |
One thing that I can not figure out:
Turbo people = understanding fuel, timing, ECU's, charge air temps, or are willing to learn. SC people :ne: understanding fuel, timing, ECU's, charge air temps and don't seem to be willing to put in the slightest bit of effort into tuning their stuffs. I mean, both are still compressing air. Both have additional fuel and timing requirements. How can one whole segment think that the laws of physics don't apply to them? Is it just that most SC's are shipped as a "kit in a box" and those buyers "assume all is well" when they slap it on? There's a reason that I am still running wastegate. All of my shit isn't ready for more. Close, but not there. Gotta get that new IC in. The difference is that I KNOW that. The SC guys think that all they have to do is swap a pully and instant increase in power. They are clueless to the hows and whys. Of course, I am generalizing, but it seems to be the rule, not the exception. |
Originally Posted by Stein
(Post 431625)
SC bashing
Even with having a SC i do agree with what you just said and are in fact a moron and have really no clue about boosting, i just know it's make more air go in hole some hole in my motor and makes a really cool sound. but the same can be said about turbo users as well. there are plenty of people that turbo there cars and don't know shit you just see more with SC since it is really more noob friendly to install at home. |
Originally Posted by Stein
(Post 431625)
One thing that I can not figure out:
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I love Gary's post at the end when he locked it. "this is an NC forum and bashing Corky isn't an NC topic." Did he even read the thread? It was entirely an NC topic! It was about Corky rebutting Cosworth's claim of weak NC motors. Nearly every post in the thread endorced or supported Corky's opinion. What a clown.
It seems to me the SC kit companies tend to sell the kits as plug and play, instant hp, easy installation "horsepower in a box". All the big names like JR, FFS and the Cosworth kits. Until you look at companies like TDR, Begi, FM, etc, you don't find tuneable ecu's and intercooling being sold with supercharger systems. The big name systems simply cater to the lowest common denominator, PNP w/out tuning, to maximize sales volume and minimize production cost and support. . |
Originally Posted by leatherface24
(Post 431563)
Ok i only got about two paragraphs in when i started to see the "article" was more a of a pitch for the xede, intercoolers and all that jazz.
I expect the thing that has Corky most riled is that Cosworth is trying to shift blame instead of taking responsibility. - L |
Did anybody happen to cache the thread?
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google might have, google is omnipresent!
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Hmmm. I actually wouldn't have thought that one was fodder for Gary The Remover. Cosworth is not a sponsor, and nobody was making potty-mouth. Just some straight talk about engine management theory and a bit of light hero-worship.
Ah well... Some folks just don't wanna learn, regardless. |
I happen to be reading this thread when someone smashed me over the head with a small sledge hammer. I think it need to be closed and deleted.
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Silly m.net....:magna::greddy:
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 432212)
Hmmm. I actually wouldn't have thought that one was fodder for Gary The Remover. Cosworth is not a sponsor, and nobody was making potty-mouth. Just some straight talk about engine management theory and a bit of light hero-worship.
Ah well... Some folks just don't wanna learn, regardless. |
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