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Old 09-20-2007, 10:08 PM   #21
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Yep e85 =bullshit biodeisel from waste oils=good though the same benefits as normal deisel, and better emissions and economy. Trying to comercialize it and drive up the prices of other ****=bad
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:09 PM   #22
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Yep e85 =bullshit biodeisel from waste oils=good though the same benefits as normal deisel, and better emissions and economy. Trying to comercialize it and drive up the prices of other ****=bad
and it smells like french fries.
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an episode of dirty jobs (discovery channel freak) shows how a guy uses modified old cooking oil in an unmodified diesel getting 40mpg, said it smells like fajitas
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an episode of dirty jobs (discovery channel freak) shows how a guy uses modified old cooking oil in an unmodified diesel getting 40mpg, said it smells like fajitas
it's modified, you have to heat the oil and have a way to start/shutdown on diesel, so 2 tanks and a switch.
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e-85 is around 105 octane, i don't care about feul mileage.
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and it smells like french fries.
no good, we already have an obesity problem, imagine if everyone drove around and smelled FF all day long...not good for us, great for mickey D's :gay: we shhould buy their stock if that was to happen

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You know why Americans pay $3+ a gallon for gasoline? So Arabs can go skiing in the desert.

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Old 09-21-2007, 10:35 AM   #27
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now on the serious note, lol, think about it, the inflation has nothing to do with shortages, if there was a shortage it would have to be underground, and then we'd be paying $50 a gallon cause there just is no more oil...this shortage BS is just that...BS, if you were a business man (BUSH), and your primary field was oil (BUSH), and you had a great plan to increase your profit margin (BUSH), and once you start it goes really well cause of lack of attention from domestic market (US), those suckers believe everything you say and turn around and forget it (no harm done), so you continue while you are still presiedent (BUSH), so when next president comes to power (HE/SHE rofl) is really screwed trying fo fix **** and we forgot everything that happened before them (BUSH) and blame the new president (HIM for sure) for everything, and thats how its been done all along
not sure word for word but "the one with the money gets the power, the one with power gets the *****" tada
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:24 AM   #28
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an episode of dirty jobs (discovery channel freak) shows how a guy uses modified old cooking oil in an unmodified diesel getting 40mpg, said it smells like fajitas
Diesels were originally designed to run on peanut oil from what I understand. Volkswagen diesels can still do so with no ill effect.

At my work we ran bio-diesel (what you are referring to) for a few years and it worked great, very little, if any diesel stink crept into the stations from the truck bays. However this year we discovered a problem with it. We constantly keep a full tank of fuel in the trucks for reason of potential extended operations. If bio-diesel is allowed to sit like our trucks do sometimes, it stratifies... all the heavy **** settles down and any hydrocarbons float up (naturally). So back to the drawing board on that one. They are testing a synthetic jet fuel that has been used so far with no ill effect on the test aircraft though, that might be an answer for us.

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it's modified, you have to heat the oil and have a way to start/shutdown on diesel, so 2 tanks and a switch.
Vehicles can run bio-diesel unmodified, just don't let them sit for extended periods and make sure you run that tank down. It's just a problem for low sulfur fuels in newer diesels... but I suspect that's just some bullshit. People are brewing it all over the place at home and running it no problem.
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Vehicles can run bio-diesel unmodified, just don't let them sit for extended periods and make sure you run that tank down. It's just a problem for low sulfur fuels in newer diesels... but I suspect that's just some bullshit. People are brewing it all over the place at home and running it no problem.
I'm tlaking about running COOKING OIL and not BIODIESEL
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you mean oil? I don't believe canada has many refineries, which would mean you=fucked.
In the town I live in (just next to Vancouver) we have 3 refineries, including Chevron that makes 94 Octane.
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In the town I live in (just next to Vancouver) we have 3 refineries, including Chevron that makes 94 Octane.
aaaaaaaaaand it's still nothing compared to the output here in the states.






christ why haven't I blocked all .ca IP's yet?
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aaaaaaaaaand it's still nothing compared to the output here in the states.






christ why haven't I blocked all .ca IP's yet?
I have no idea ...
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this might have a little to do with it
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f9bae8ba-6...0779fd2ac.html

And I'm sure this doesn't help either
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/statica...icle57749.html

UAE will own the stock exchange when people lose interest in fabricating the oil price.
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I have no idea ...
who made you christ?

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this might have a little to do with it
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f9bae8ba-6...0779fd2ac.html

And I'm sure this doesn't help either
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/statica...icle57749.html

UAE will own the stock exchange when people lose interest in fabricating the oil price.
if it does not help and if its useless why are you cotaminating our vlaued forum...:gay:
but you are right, they will own us soon, maybe as soon as we pull out our troops who are currently controling the pipelies there...(BUSH$$$)


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e-85 is around 105 octane, i don't care about feul mileage.
I'm with you Phil. I'd be interested in what you'd need to change out in terms of fueling lines/tank/etc... to convert to E85 for the 105 octane benefit. IIRC markp was thinking about doing this a while back too.
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I'm tlaking about running COOKING OIL and not BIODIESEL
Did you read the paragraph above that response? Peanut oil (also used as cooking oil) can easily be used as fuel with very little or no alteration, it's just really cost prohibitive.
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I'm with you Phil. I'd be interested in what you'd need to change out in terms of fueling lines/tank/etc... to convert to E85 for the 105 octane benefit. IIRC markp was thinking about doing this a while back too.
Fuel lines, injectors, and FPR. The stock FPR has a rubber diaphram in it I think... which is not very E100 friendly. The stock fuel lines need to be swapped with viton. The injectors will need to be about 20% larger to handle the same amount of power at the same duty cycle. E100 get's considerably worse fuel economy as it's an oxygenated fuel and requires more fuel to maintain the same A/F ratio.

You can use a stock filter but you would need to change it during the conversion and probably change it again after 20-30K miles. E100 has a cleaning affect similar to biodiesel. Any gunk in your tank or pump will end up in the fuel filter and will glog it up fairly quick.
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I'm with you Phil. I'd be interested in what you'd need to change out in terms of fueling lines/tank/etc... to convert to E85 for the 105 octane benefit. IIRC markp was thinking about doing this a while back too.
well i did some research and a lot people are saying that pretty much all modern fuel injection vehicles already have suitable components where not much would need to be changed other than whatever is necessary to run the correct fuel ratios. I saw a video where they tested 2 identical suvs that weren't intended to run e-85. One ran regular gas, the other e-85. after a certain amount of miles. they disassembled both and found that things like the fuel pump had less wear, the valves had less buildup on them. i'll see if i can find the video. My thinking is with my megasquirt and my 620cc injectors i'd have enough fuel for around 275-300whp.

video http://youtube.com/watch?v=HuOs1yap8mU
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christ why haven't I blocked all .ca IP's yet?
Because when it is slow you still have us Cunucks to pick on with our weak *** dollar
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Which of the presidential runners has addressed the problems with energy/fuel?

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