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Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 542650)

The first rule of guns is to have one.

The second rule of guns is to have it always work.

The budget you gave plus the first rule of guns has revolver written all over it.
The intended use as a hiking/camping/falling in a creek/getting it full of dust and sand/protection from 300-400lb bears plus the second rule of guns has revolver written all over it.

A few well placed rounds of .357 with a hot load will be substantial enough to defend yourself against medium bears, elks in rut, and big cats. It will fire and cycle when dirty. It will fire and cycle when full of pocket lint. It will even fire when you are surprised by a ferocious animal and forget to switch off the safety (because there isn't one). It is no coincidence that hunting handguns are revolvers.

If you don't trust yourself to keep it oiled after exposure to moisture, buy it in stainless. I would buy the six inch barrel if you intend on carrying it open on a belt holster and the four inch barrel if you intend to conceal it under your clothing. Buy them with the compensator ported barrel if your budget allows.

I have a medium frame Taurus and a small frame Taurus and have had them for over a decade. They have proven to be reliable, well crafted, accurate, and cost effective.

The ability to have the massive power of the .357 Magnum and to be able to practice with economical .38 Special rounds is a tremendous benefit that has no parallel in the .45 Auto weapons.

I recommend one of the following:

http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/66SS6.jpg
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc

http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/66SS4.jpg
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc

EDIT: I lived in Colo Sprgs for a couple of years and hiked and camped in those mountains. I climbed Pike's Peak from Manitou Springs and back over the course of three days. Enjoy the summer when it finally comes!

BTW-The Ruger GP-100 is a also a very nice revolver, as b0ne pointed out, but a bit more money.

Totally, I am thinking the exact same thing, in fact that first pic is a gun I have been looking at.

I dont mind a 6" barrel, from what I can see a gun with some mass has less perceived recoil anyway and the barrel will probably help muzzle velocity.

Barr Trail is awesome. I managed to go from Manitou to the peak and back in one day last Sept. 26 miles. I was pretty seriously fucked up the next day due to not really being in shape.

People leave too much trash up there. Apple cores and all. Not that I am much better. I have a few peanutbutter sandwiches with me and thats a giant odourous kill me sign for the wildlife LOL.

I am even thinking of the full frame 8 shot .357. Good to know Taurus is a good brand, I have seen thier stuuf in shops and wondered.

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Originally Posted by Clos561 (Post 542961)

a friend of mine has one of these but black

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...sten/Judge.jpg

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Tauru...e/DSC00279.jpg

Yeah, I was posting a link to that earlier, sweet idea. Does your freind like it?

imo, i would buy either: (some may not be pistols but may be legal)

1. Colt M1911 .45 acp
2. S&W M500
2. Taurus Judge .401 bore
3. Beretta 92fs
4. lastly, the S&W M500

im not much of a pistol fan, i like sniper rifles a lot more. id love to have a chance to shoot a dragunov svd or remington 700

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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 542951)

The "tall" is the smallest they offer, and the grande, which also sounds big, is in the middle. Then Venti, whatever the fuck that means if the big one. They go out of their way to confuse me every time I place an order.

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Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 543029)

Barr Trail is awesome. I managed to go from Manitou to the peak and back in one day last Sept. 26 miles. I was pretty seriously fucked up the next day due to not really being in shape.

The 26 miles doesn't sound bad until you add the 7700 foot elevation difference from Manitou Springs to the top of Pikes Peak. We carried frame packs with tents, sleeping bags, and cooking gear when we did it. You have to work your stamina up to do it at all. That air sure is thin above treeline.:)

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Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 543031)

Yeah, I was posting a link to that earlier, sweet idea. Does your freind like it?

I've shot one a few times and I was not impressed. It definitely did not do this:

[QUOTE=Sparetire;543029]
People leave too much trash up there. Apple cores and all.QUOTE]

I don't think throwing apple cores bananas on the ground is really trash. Items as such are biodgradable; and will be eaten by ants insects and such within a day or so. I personally don't think throwing fruit or other such items is concidered littering.

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Originally Posted by Clos561 (Post 542961)

a friend of mine has one of these but black

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...sten/Judge.jpg

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Tauru...e/DSC00279.jpg

damnit! you beat me to it, that was gonna be my next suggestion!

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Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 543031)

Yeah, I was posting a link to that earlier, sweet idea. Does your freind like it?

yea its a nice gun, its supposed to be the best for close range defense because the spread is so wide. the original is a bit on the heavy side and not pratical for a carry weapon. they have a lite edition that is shorter nose and ALOT lighter, only shoots the 2.5 inch 4.10 rounds. his can shoot the 3. i like the gun, 4.10 does some serious damage. and you can get slugs, bird shot long .45 and alternate them in the gun. kicks hard.

[QUOTE=rmcelwee;543080]I've shot one a few times and I was not impressed. It definitely did not do this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyWoZ22lZY&feature=fvw

i think you crazy, i dont know what you where shooting or which rounds. that gun can def do that and has when i shot shit with it.

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Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 543079)

I was seriously stopping every 100 yards or even less once I hit about 13000. At one point I felt like taking a nap, which is a pretty good sign that one is pushing too damn hard LOL.

No major weight on that one, maybe 30Lbs of clothing, food and emergency gear only.

There is a great chairity event for brain injury awareness/prevention/help every Sept. that has people get sponsors and then climb up to the top, then they shuttle them back down. Now that sounds great. My knees were toast from coming back down.

I dont mind a bit of weight, since it really wont be a carry weapon. It will pretty much live in my pack (i have a very quick access side pocket thats perfect for it, it houses my bear mace right now) or at the range.

Honestly I think I am going to be focusing on a revolver, either a .357 or that Judge. What really intrigues me about that weapon is an idea I had for my mom awhile back.

She had to park in a empty garage at night for her work, and it was not the safest place to be at 2 AM. She will not use a fire arm on someone. I always liked those bean-bag rounds you see police use. Strong enough to drop someone, not going to kill them though. I always wondered about a small weapon firing those. The judge is a bit big, but it proves the concept pretty well. I wonder if they make a .410 beanbag round.

Me and some of the other car buddies here in Corpus are more shotgun/rifle guys. Mainly because we are cheap and you can get a 550 brick of .22 for $13 or a 100 box of 12ga for $23. I saw a guy at the range the other day shooting what looked like a 1911 stle gun with .22 casing spitting out, he then changed the barrel and started shooting .45. I'd want a handgun like that so I could shoot cheap and get comfortable with it. Just an FYI though, for home defense...shotgun.

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Originally Posted by jacob300zx (Post 543341)

just an fyi though, for home defense...shotgun.

QFT!

i wouldnt mind getting an assault style shotgun!

http://www.militarypictures.info/d/959-3/spas-12.jpg

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Originally Posted by jacob300zx (Post 543341)

. I saw a guy at the range the other day shooting what looked like a 1911 stle gun with .22 casing spitting out, he then changed the barrel and started shooting .45.

My grandpa has that gun. It's got the same grip angle and everything as a 1911 so you can practice cheap, and use the big rounds for carry/defense.

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Originally Posted by jacob300zx (Post 543341)

There are .22 conversion kits, such as Ciener, Kimber, Wilson, etc. There is even one for my CZ75, as well as some other semiauto pistols.

They're usually around $200-$250 ballpark.

I'm glad you guys respect the ole cylinder guns, if were talking possible bear encounters than .357 mag power & reliability should be the starting point. But I'd still opt for a .44 magnum six shooter if I knew there's anything 3x (or greater) my size that eats flesh around...

Here's another sub-$600 wilderness weapon, the Taurus 444 UltraLite.

.44 Magnum, 28 ounces (titanium, alloys) 6-round cylinder, 4" nonported barrel, unlimited lifetime repair policy. Badass.

http://www.rrarms.com/cat_images/G2444041ULT.JPG
https://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2444041ULT

I checked out autos a bit more and one that people love/envy/hate for recoil but packs serious CCW firepower is the Glock 29.

Can find them new for as low as $500, 10mm punch, 15+1 capacity (Preban/non-CA mags, 30-rounders can be found...) tiny & light as a .32 subcompact. Like many of the cars here, small but beastly.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r.../Glock29-1.jpg

If recoil's too high & 16 rounds are too few... (30 hot/A.P. 10mm's would stop a grizzly. G18 for reference, couldn't find G29 in this config.)

http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-conten...lock-18-01.jpg

Glock Model 29 Subcompact Pistol PI2950201, 10 MM, 3.78" BBL, Dbl Actn Only, Polymer Grips, Fixed Si

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Originally Posted by Import Al (Post 542849)

Sorry if this is a repost, but does anyone here have experience with Baby Eagle .45's? (Magnum Reseach/IMI or replicas)

I believe the MR/IMI 941 "Baby Eagle" might fit your requirements if you were looking for a powerful, semicompact/light auto starting around $500.

I have a Baby Eagle in .40 and will never ever get rid of it. The gun is extremely easy to shoot accurately. I went to the range a few weeks back, hadn't been in over a year. My first grouping was total shit. Once I got back into the swing I was keeping 3" groups at 7 yds the rest of the day.

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Originally Posted by -Banks- (Post 543056)

im not much of a pistol fan, i like sniper rifles a lot more. id love to have a chance to shoot a dragunov svd or remington 700

I used to have M700 PSS, the police sniper version. That thing was amazing. Out of the box with match ammo I could shoot 1/4 MOA groupings. Once the barrel got broken in I could usually squeeze out 1/8 MOA. Not too shabby for a stock rifle. I should never have gotten rid of it. But paying close to $50 for 20 rounds gets old pretty quick.