Hey Teknician, you owe me $210
 

Dont buy shit from this shady character.

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19005

I bought that downpipe from him because I was in a bind because my other downpipe did not fit. I was happy to see someone selling a similar pipe as what I had, and at such an awesome price as well.

I did the buy it now off ebay as fast as possible, and was happy that I would finally be getting a pipe that works.

He was really helpful, and communicative the whole time saying that he will guarantee that it gets to be before the weekend so I can work on my car. Said he will ship it as fast as he possibly has to and stuff. That was great, and it made me even more sure that I am getting something that will work for sure.

I get the pipe a week later after paying 260 bucks, 10 extra for tracking and insurance. I didnt have time to fit it, but I really liked what I saw and was happy the flange measured correctly(at the time because it could fit a 1.8 flange but thats not how the begi flanges work. This pipe fits a 1.8 cat because the flange has open ends but the angle of the flange and centerline stud measurements for this flange are 1.6 all the way). I was happy when I got it and left him a sick ebay feedback, which he didnt reciprocate.

I start fitting it that weekend and the thing doesn't fit.

Sure the flange on the downpipe fits, but the angle of the cat flange is totally wrong and the pipe is slightly short.

I start pming him and asking him what the hell is going on. Why doesnt it fit, etc etc.

In the meantime I make a thread about this pipe not fitting and someone on this forum provides me info that this pipe was once the property of Ben and could have possibly been a 1.6/1.8cat hybrid.

Throughout this time I am arguing with Teknician to take this pipe back because its not what he advertised.

He starts telling me that its my fault for "buying the pipe in haste". He tells me that I should have asked more questions, asked for more pictures, and asked for measurements on the pipe to be certain that it is in fact for a 1.8.

Basically he refuses to take it back sayings its all my fault and not his responsibility.

So then finally after a ton of badgering and arguing he says, "I will give you 45 bucks back and help you find a seller for it or if you find a seller for it then you dont have to lose on the shipping".

He says I should take pictures and measurements of the pipe and send them to Begi to have the pipe identified. Yea, how do you like that. After getting the pipe which was said to be a 1.8, I have to go and do research to determine what the hell it is. Why could he have done it in the first place?

So yea, I have 45 bucks from him to cover shipping, but I am still out $210 and stuck with a pipe that I now have to sell and find a buyer for.

After 2 weeks of badgering Stephanie and finally calling Corky himself this pipe is determined to be for a 1.6.

Be careful when you buy shit from this guy.

Damn, he listed it as a 1.8 pipe too. He should take it back. Sucks too cause you've had hell with downpipes.

He says that if I was just some guy off ebay or didnt ask him "Questions" then he would have taken it back. These questions that I asked him were concerning how many bungs the thing had, and if any other hardware was included. But supposedly because I asked him those questions, its now my problem.

If it's the pipe that came from me, I got it from FM as a 1.8 pipe for my 1.8 engine swap. I never did use it, don't think I ever even took it out of the bag.
I sold it to Tec in good faith, and indeed if he did flip it to you, I'm sure he did so with best intentions in good faith.

If you need to sell it, you shouldn't have any issues getting your money back out of it.

If you're certain that it's not what he advertised-

Leave negative feedback on ebay
File paypal dispute

Why is it his problem to sell a downpipe that doesn't fit his car, when it was advertised to fit?

THANK YOU!!!

Negative feedback is to late to give.

Paypal disputes arent worth shit. You file a dispute and they ask the seller "did you send the buyer something". Seller says "Yes". Paypal says to the disputer "sorry but your claim has been closed".

Paypal disputes are complete utter bullshit.

Well then FM screwed you over because it wasnt for a 1.8. But thats not my problem, I bought it under full confidence its for a 1.8 but its not. He should take it back and give me my money then sort out the rest of the shit himself no questions asked.

Tek admitted he sold Sam something he couldn't use by sending him $45 to "pass it on to the next guy." Why the fuck do we tolerate sellers like that on this forum? I'd like to think we're a little more tight-knit of a community than that.

Well OK, lets not go that far. Maybe it was a good faith gesture.

The fact is, the pipe didn't work, and he should have taken it back, simple.

edit: and I have now got proof that its for a 1.6.

Hmmm...not true at all. Sorry. Negative feedback is whats not worth a shit.

If you bought it using Paypal, and it was advertised incorrectly, and now the seller is less than helpful, you'd be foolish not to file a complaint. I sold a guy a $1500 server and he tried to fuck me saying it was DOA and blah blah blah. I had proof of it working, it was insured through UPS, etc. The process went on for 2 months, during so the server magically worked fine. I won the case.

I have had about 3-4 Paypal cases throughout my time on ebay. I have never lost a case and never been fucked. You need to prove what happened was the sellers fault and you were misled. If all works out, Paypal will take care of you. Hey, maybe its not worth the wait for you, but Paypal disputes are definitely worth something.

Either way, I hope things work out for you. I remember reading about your troubles with the downpipes. Listen, if worse comes to worse, go beat his ass....that's sometimes works too. :) Goodluck!

Vash-

Nope, paypal screwed me out of $1500 - or I guess I should say that I got screwed out of $1500 and paypal didn't give a shit. I had to argue with them for 2 months and it did me no good. In that time the Visa 30 day timeframe expired. I think they just string you along to get the CC time to expire so you have no recourse.

For some weird reason I have doubts that I can prove to paypal that the pipe is the wrong one.

Paypal always favors the seller, or the sender. Its always been that way.

But I understand where you are coming from. This is just a shitty situation, screwed over twice on the same part is not fun.

yea i got screwed out of 750 for a DSM head back in the day and my case is still open by paypal...

Sam, Maybe after fucking up on multiple downpipe buys, you'll save yourself some trouble and invest a few extra dollars and buy your shit direct from FM or BEGi.

It sucks that Tek won't refund your money, but I'd like to hear his side of the story too because you are not the easiest person to deal with when buying/selling.

I haven't had any problems buying from him and I've had two recent transactions with him that went great. If he misled you intentionally or unintentionally then he does have a responsibility to make it right. At the very least, he should post up his side of the story.

I think if he infact did say that it is for the 1.8 and it obviously isnt then he should take it back and give you your money.
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If it doesn't fit on your car, which is a 1.8, and Corky f'n Bell says it's a 1.6 piece, how is that not sufficient to convince Paypal?

File the paypal dispute.

Interested in hearing the seller's side of the story.

What? Wish it worked that way where I work. We get people who claim they never got the item. Then we show the UPS tracking info that shows HE SIGNED FOR IT. Then they say it's the wrong color, and then we tell Paypal what color they ordered, and it's confirmed that that is the color the buyer received, yet he then circles back again saying, "I sent an email asking for a different color." or "I wanted a different blah blah", and Paypal refunds the guys money. If the buyer can drag it out over 14 days, Paypal defaults to refunding the buyer's money.

Sounds like all of us have had totally different experiences. I know that one of my cases was fucking 2 months long, back and forth sooo slow. Finally I won, I wasn't about to lose $1500. And if I did, I'd have to be stopped from getting in the car to go pay the guy a fucking visit. Really, sounds like you guys had bad experiences....I'm glad I didn't! :)

If you can flip it to some other guy for about what you paid, be done with it and sell it quick. Get the right DP and move on. $200 isn't enough to risk getting arrested....lol. And I doubt if you have already expressed your issues with him personally over email, that doing it publicly on the forum wont do a thing. That's just what I think though.... Goodluck man, ebay that bitch.

Vash-

Well what do you think I wound up doing?

How did you just assume that I am "not the easiest person to deal with"? Have I ever bought or sold anything to you?

I think I only ever sold one thing on this forum, it was boomslang parts to a guy in Australia. The rest I have just been buying.





How is that going to convince paypal of anything?

Like I said paypal is a bitch to deal with it, and its not worth the effort or time.

Thats what I am trying to do, flip it and get rid of it.

And I already tried to deal with him over PM, I have a whole PM box full of back and forths with him, so you have nothing to doubt.

I warned him I would make this public and he said, theres no reason to start drama.

We're trying to help you.

FILE A PAYPAL DISPUTE.

From what you've written, he sold you bogus crap. You win, he loses. That simple.

If you take a defeatist attitude you cannot win.

Im sorry :(. Im just a little... pissed or aggrivated I guess.

But yea, I just did. Thanks for the tip.


Edit:

Paypal response. I chose these dispute options

# Different design or material
# Different model, version, or size
For example:

* Incompatible operating system
* Motorcycle engine v. automobile engine
* Shoes too small to wear


This is what I got instantly.

== paypal doesnt solve shit.

So when you come right down to it, what is the pipe, actually?

Is it a downpipe that will bolt up to a specific turbo(like a garrett 2554), mounted on a begi manifold and terminate at the angle and position of a 1.6 stock cat; or what?

If so, there might be people here that need it. and you can flip it without any loss.

Ive gotten my money back twice on paypal claims. Both times was almost scarily, too easy.

sorry havent been on since ive sold all of my parts, just now saw this.

I did indeed buy the pipe from Ben, exactly as he stated. I also stated to sam BEFORE shipping the pipe and before taking his money, that I purchased it from ben, i showed him the original for sale thread where i purchased the pipe, i also told him that i have not had a chance to test fit the pipe (as i was selling all my parts) and that I could not confirm that it fit a 1.8L. i only had the information from Ben.

with that in mind he did decide to purchase it. Yes i did list it as a 1.8 DP because thats what i was told. Yes i would have refunded him money had i not told him all that information before hand, although he denies i mentioned any of that.

I was up front with him as i was with everyone else who purchased parts from me, and i sent him 45 dollars and said i would help find a buyer yet he still continues. :jerkit:

He remains upset and calls me the scumbag. Thats fine, I did what i thought was right and I even sent back money for shipping when he does sell it. Getting all upset over this doesnt make any sense. I wouldnt have yelled at Ben, hes not a store/business this is some random guy i dont know on an internet forum and its BUYER BEWARE. should i send Ben 50 PM's and have him send me 45 bucks now?

As for the paypal claim I dont even know what happened i got an email saying it was open then another one saying it was closed?

So how do you expect me to confirm what it is?

Youre the one selling it, you should know what it is, and if you dont know then dont list it as a 1.8 pipe. List it as unknown or do your own leg work and call begi and send pictures to determine exactly what it is.

Its not my responsibility.

Its a 1.6 pipe, for a T25 turbo, for a Begi T25 Manifold, for a 1.6 catalytic.

edit 1: as for paypal, it opened and closed the claim all on its own because they dont give a shit if you get shipped the wrong shit, only that you get something from the seller.

He said it was a 1.8 cat flange?, Ben's a pretty respected member here so why wouldnt I naturally trust his word, he didnt just join yesterday.

Otherwise, how would I confirm what it is unless I had it in my hands? No one on this forum even knows how to tell the pipes apart. I do, cause i have 3 of them.

Why am I digging up his old for sale thread? What is this "same thing" you dont want to happen"? Did you try to test fit the pipe and it didnt work?


edit: and the only reason it fits a 1.8 flange is because it has open ends. It can fit any flange.

Seemed like he gave you a good heads up, YOU decided to buy it even though he says he couldn't confirm what kind of flange it had. Ben even confirmed earlier in this thread that he sold it to teknikscian in good faith that it was a 1.8 DP.

Sour grapes. Sell the DP and cut your losses. Nothing to be gained by dragging this crap into public.

Sam, I see you have 1,999 posts right now. I hope you don't waste your 2000th being a cry baby in this thread. You stand to make a few bucks on this downpipe. I bet you could have easily gotten $235+ for it if you hadn't made this thread. It sounds like Tek gave you fair warning that he couldn't confirm nor deny the intended use of the dp.

Nonsense. The auction listing clearly states it's for a 1.8.

Where Tek got it is irrelevant; he sold it as something, he's responsible for it being what he says it is. He should take the DP back and issue a complete refund.

Except he stated that he could not confirm that it was a 1.8 DP before Sam pulled the trigger.

Well, what if after you bought that DP from ben and tried to install and found out it didn't fit? Then you go through the trouble to find out it's actually a different pipe then what Ben told you it was? What would you do if this put you in a bind? How would you feel about the seller mis representing the item?

Jeezus. That's pathetic. You said it was something it was not. You clearly misrepresented the item. What your information was based on is irrelevant. YOU said it was something it was not, and the sale took place on the premises it was a 1.8 pipe. If I sold someone a 99 cylinder head and they got it and found out it was an earlier NA head, who's fault would it be? Would it be fair for me to say the buyer should have asked more questions? I mean, I SAID it was a 99. What loopholes would I need to work to justify not refunding the guy teck? Should I just send him 45 bucks?

Ummm, this is what I was doubting. That bringing it to the forum would solve anything. I don't know the whole story so I cant take any sides, but as you can see already everyone has a different opinion. Its really....between you guys.

Sucks with all the bad luck on Paypal. I fucking live off buying things with Paypal. I even have the new security number generator for added security, seeing I now use it like a third bank account.

Goodluck with this shit guys, it'll all work out.

Vash-

If I was buying the pipe and the seller told me he could not confirm what it is, I either wouldn't buy it, or if I did buy it, I would consider myself warned that It may not be what I needed. The fact that he felt the needed to tell you he didn't know much about how it might fit should have been your first clue. I bought some injectors once on ebay, I didn't ask enough questions, it wasn't what I needed...my fault. I sould them.

Ben said he got the pipe from FM, why did you ask Begi about the pipe instead of FM? Is it a Begi pipe that was sold used by FM? just curious.

I believe its a Begi pipe made for FM, I think at one time they had some arrangements.

This is proof its for a 1.6 cat, 84mm center to center of the cat studs. This is information from corky, 1.8 cats are 89mm, and 1.8NB are even bigger.

The only reason it fits a 1.8 cat flange is because of the open ends. The angle of the flange also supports it as being a 1.6.

Ill putting it up for sale in the sale section, in a little bit.

dude... learn how to use calipers... the way you are measuring that it could be +/- 6mm and we wouldn't know the difference from that pic.

sam, i will buy it off you if it def fits my 1.6 ill cancel the DP from bell and save the cash

It cant be anything else. Angle of flange, distance between centerline of studs, it doesnt fit my car(1.8) and its nothing like the NB pipe I have.

Its close enough to see that its 84mm.

Problem solved then maybe. But my 2 cents anyways.....

In a perfect world, if the seller couldn't confirm what he was selling it should not have been listed as 1.8. Regardless if he told the buyer he wasn't sure.

The seller expected a fair price for a 1.8 DP, that's what he expected to sell. He probably even got the same price that a similar used 1.8 DP in the same condition went for.

If said part was priced as a mystery part, severely under market price, then all bets are pretty much off.

Good faith agreements should be honored by both parties. If Sam can't sell, Tek should take it back.

Chris