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Old 04-20-2008, 09:18 PM   #1
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Default Hey Teknician, you owe me $210

Dont buy **** from this shady character.

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I bought that downpipe from him because I was in a bind because my other downpipe did not fit. I was happy to see someone selling a similar pipe as what I had, and at such an awesome price as well.

I did the buy it now off ebay as fast as possible, and was happy that I would finally be getting a pipe that works.

He was really helpful, and communicative the whole time saying that he will guarantee that it gets to be before the weekend so I can work on my car. Said he will ship it as fast as he possibly has to and stuff. That was great, and it made me even more sure that I am getting something that will work for sure.

I get the pipe a week later after paying 260 bucks, 10 extra for tracking and insurance. I didnt have time to fit it, but I really liked what I saw and was happy the flange measured correctly(at the time because it could fit a 1.8 flange but thats not how the begi flanges work. This pipe fits a 1.8 cat because the flange has open ends but the angle of the flange and centerline stud measurements for this flange are 1.6 all the way). I was happy when I got it and left him a sick ebay feedback, which he didnt reciprocate.

I start fitting it that weekend and the thing doesn't fit.

Sure the flange on the downpipe fits, but the angle of the cat flange is totally wrong and the pipe is slightly short.

I start pming him and asking him what the hell is going on. Why doesnt it fit, etc etc.

In the meantime I make a thread about this pipe not fitting and someone on this forum provides me info that this pipe was once the property of Ben and could have possibly been a 1.6/1.8cat hybrid.

Throughout this time I am arguing with Teknician to take this pipe back because its not what he advertised.

He starts telling me that its my fault for "buying the pipe in haste". He tells me that I should have asked more questions, asked for more pictures, and asked for measurements on the pipe to be certain that it is in fact for a 1.8.

Basically he refuses to take it back sayings its all my fault and not his responsibility.

So then finally after a ton of badgering and arguing he says, "I will give you 45 bucks back and help you find a seller for it or if you find a seller for it then you dont have to lose on the shipping".

He says I should take pictures and measurements of the pipe and send them to Begi to have the pipe identified. Yea, how do you like that. After getting the pipe which was said to be a 1.8, I have to go and do research to determine what the hell it is. Why could he have done it in the first place?

So yea, I have 45 bucks from him to cover shipping, but I am still out $210 and stuck with a pipe that I now have to sell and find a buyer for.

After 2 weeks of badgering Stephanie and finally calling Corky himself this pipe is determined to be for a 1.6.

Be careful when you buy **** from this guy.
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Damn, he listed it as a 1.8 pipe too. He should take it back. Sucks too cause you've had hell with downpipes.
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Damn, he listed it as a 1.8 pipe too. He should take it back. Sucks too cause you've had hell with downpipes.
He says that if I was just some guy off ebay or didnt ask him "Questions" then he would have taken it back. These questions that I asked him were concerning how many bungs the thing had, and if any other hardware was included. But supposedly because I asked him those questions, its now my problem.
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If it's the pipe that came from me, I got it from FM as a 1.8 pipe for my 1.8 engine swap. I never did use it, don't think I ever even took it out of the bag.
I sold it to Tec in good faith, and indeed if he did flip it to you, I'm sure he did so with best intentions in good faith.

If you need to sell it, you shouldn't have any issues getting your money back out of it.
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If you're certain that it's not what he advertised-

Leave negative feedback on ebay
File paypal dispute
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If it's the pipe that came from me, I got it from FM as a 1.8 pipe for my 1.8 engine swap. I never did use it, don't think I ever even took it out of the bag.
I sold it to Tec in good faith, and indeed if he did flip it to you, I'm sure he did so with best intentions in good faith.

If you need to sell it, you shouldn't have any issues getting your money back out of it.
Why is it his problem to sell a downpipe that doesn't fit his car, when it was advertised to fit?
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Why is it his problem to sell a downpipe that doesn't fit his car, when it was advertised to fit?
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If you're certain that it's not what he advertised-

Leave negative feedback on ebay
File paypal dispute
Negative feedback is to late to give.

Paypal disputes arent worth ****. You file a dispute and they ask the seller "did you send the buyer something". Seller says "Yes". Paypal says to the disputer "sorry but your claim has been closed".

Paypal disputes are complete utter bullshit.

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If it's the pipe that came from me, I got it from FM as a 1.8 pipe for my 1.8 engine swap. I never did use it, don't think I ever even took it out of the bag.
I sold it to Tec in good faith, and indeed if he did flip it to you, I'm sure he did so with best intentions in good faith.

If you need to sell it, you shouldn't have any issues getting your money back out of it.
Well then FM screwed you over because it wasnt for a 1.8. But thats not my problem, I bought it under full confidence its for a 1.8 but its not. He should take it back and give me my money then sort out the rest of the **** himself no questions asked.
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Tek admitted he sold Sam something he couldn't use by sending him $45 to "pass it on to the next guy." Why the **** do we tolerate sellers like that on this forum? I'd like to think we're a little more tight-knit of a community than that.
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Tek admitted he sold Sam something he couldn't use by sending him $45 to "pass it on to the next guy." Why the **** do we tolerate sellers like that on this forum? I'd like to think we're a little more tight-knit of a community than that.

Well OK, lets not go that far. Maybe it was a good faith gesture.

The fact is, the pipe didn't work, and he should have taken it back, simple.

edit: and I have now got proof that its for a 1.6.
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THANK YOU!!!



Negative feedback is to late to give.

Paypal disputes arent worth ****. You file a dispute and they ask the seller "did you send the buyer something". Seller says "Yes". Paypal says to the disputer "sorry but your claim has been closed".

Paypal disputes are complete utter bullshit.



Well then FM screwed you over because it wasnt for a 1.8. But thats not my problem, I bought it under full confidence its for a 1.8 but its not. He should take it back and give me my money then sort out the rest of the **** himself no questions asked.
Hmmm...not true at all. Sorry. Negative feedback is whats not worth a ****.

If you bought it using Paypal, and it was advertised incorrectly, and now the seller is less than helpful, you'd be foolish not to file a complaint. I sold a guy a $1500 server and he tried to **** me saying it was DOA and blah blah blah. I had proof of it working, it was insured through UPS, etc. The process went on for 2 months, during so the server magically worked fine. I won the case.

I have had about 3-4 Paypal cases throughout my time on ebay. I have never lost a case and never been fucked. You need to prove what happened was the sellers fault and you were misled. If all works out, Paypal will take care of you. Hey, maybe its not worth the wait for you, but Paypal disputes are definitely worth something.

Either way, I hope things work out for you. I remember reading about your troubles with the downpipes. Listen, if worse comes to worse, go beat his ***....that's sometimes works too. Goodluck!

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but Paypal disputes are definitely worth something.


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Nope, paypal screwed me out of $1500 - or I guess I should say that I got screwed out of $1500 and paypal didn't give a ****. I had to argue with them for 2 months and it did me no good. In that time the Visa 30 day timeframe expired. I think they just string you along to get the CC time to expire so you have no recourse.
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Hmmm...not true at all. Sorry. Negative feedback is whats not worth a ****.

If you bought it using Paypal, and it was advertised incorrectly, and now the seller is less than helpful, you'd be foolish not to file a complaint. I sold a guy a $1500 server and he tried to **** me saying it was DOA and blah blah blah. I had proof of it working, it was insured through UPS, etc. The process went on for 2 months, during so the server magically worked fine. I won the case.

I have had about 3-4 Paypal cases throughout my time on ebay. I have never lost a case and never been fucked. You need to prove what happened was the sellers fault and you were misled. If all works out, Paypal will take care of you. Hey, maybe its not worth the wait for you, but Paypal disputes are definitely worth something.

Either way, I hope things work out for you. I remember reading about your troubles with the downpipes. Listen, if worse comes to worse, go beat his ***....that's sometimes works too. Goodluck!

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For some weird reason I have doubts that I can prove to paypal that the pipe is the wrong one.

Paypal always favors the seller, or the sender. Its always been that way.

But I understand where you are coming from. This is just a shitty situation, screwed over twice on the same part is not fun.
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yea i got screwed out of 750 for a DSM head back in the day and my case is still open by paypal...
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Sam, Maybe after ******* up on multiple downpipe buys, you'll save yourself some trouble and invest a few extra dollars and buy your **** direct from FM or BEGi.

It sucks that Tek won't refund your money, but I'd like to hear his side of the story too because you are not the easiest person to deal with when buying/selling.
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I haven't had any problems buying from him and I've had two recent transactions with him that went great. If he misled you intentionally or unintentionally then he does have a responsibility to make it right. At the very least, he should post up his side of the story.
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I think if he infact did say that it is for the 1.8 and it obviously isnt then he should take it back and give you your money.
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For some weird reason I have doubts that I can prove to paypal that the pipe is the wrong one.

Paypal always favors the seller, or the sender. Its always been that way.

But I understand where you are coming from. This is just a shitty situation, screwed over twice on the same part is not fun.
If it doesn't fit on your car, which is a 1.8, and Corky f'n Bell says it's a 1.6 piece, how is that not sufficient to convince Paypal?

File the paypal dispute.

Interested in hearing the seller's side of the story.
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Paypal always favors the seller, or the sender. Its always been that way.
What? Wish it worked that way where I work. We get people who claim they never got the item. Then we show the UPS tracking info that shows HE SIGNED FOR IT. Then they say it's the wrong color, and then we tell Paypal what color they ordered, and it's confirmed that that is the color the buyer received, yet he then circles back again saying, "I sent an email asking for a different color." or "I wanted a different blah blah", and Paypal refunds the guys money. If the buyer can drag it out over 14 days, Paypal defaults to refunding the buyer's money.
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If the buyer can drag it out over 14 days, Paypal defaults to refunding the buyer's money.
Sounds like all of us have had totally different experiences. I know that one of my cases was ******* 2 months long, back and forth sooo slow. Finally I won, I wasn't about to lose $1500. And if I did, I'd have to be stopped from getting in the car to go pay the guy a ******* visit. Really, sounds like you guys had bad experiences....I'm glad I didn't!

If you can flip it to some other guy for about what you paid, be done with it and sell it quick. Get the right DP and move on. $200 isn't enough to risk getting arrested....lol. And I doubt if you have already expressed your issues with him personally over email, that doing it publicly on the forum wont do a thing. That's just what I think though.... Goodluck man, ebay that bitch.

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Sam, Maybe after ******* up on multiple downpipe buys, you'll save yourself some trouble and invest a few extra dollars and buy your **** direct from FM or BEGi.

It sucks that Tek won't refund your money, but I'd like to hear his side of the story too because you are not the easiest person to deal with when buying/selling.
Well what do you think I wound up doing?

How did you just assume that I am "not the easiest person to deal with"? Have I ever bought or sold anything to you?

I think I only ever sold one thing on this forum, it was boomslang parts to a guy in Australia. The rest I have just been buying.





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If it doesn't fit on your car, which is a 1.8, and Corky f'n Bell says it's a 1.6 piece, how is that not sufficient to convince Paypal?

File the paypal dispute.

Interested in hearing the seller's side of the story.
How is that going to convince paypal of anything?

Like I said paypal is a bitch to deal with it, and its not worth the effort or time.

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If you can flip it to some other guy for about what you paid, be done with it and sell it quick. Get the right DP and move on. $200 isn't enough to risk getting arrested....lol. And I doubt if you have already expressed your issues with him personally over email, that doing it publicly on the forum wont do a thing. That's just what I think though.... Goodluck man, ebay that bitch.

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Thats what I am trying to do, flip it and get rid of it.

And I already tried to deal with him over PM, I have a whole PM box full of back and forths with him, so you have nothing to doubt.

I warned him I would make this public and he said, theres no reason to start drama.
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