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Old 01-24-2014, 01:23 PM   #41
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instead of acid, I think the battery should be powered by a bag of sour patch kids dissolved in lemon juice.
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:27 PM   #42
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Perhaps the famous youtube potato battery?
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WWWWD?

What Would Walter White Do?
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:53 PM   #44
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just got to one of the battery reman places, and by a half assembled battery and save yourself all the mess of disassembley.

Ive got a mom and pop battery remanufacturer right down the street from me that charges like 30 bucks for a battery, I bet they'd sell one theyve already taken apart.
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I just got home from the lead mine, it's beer:30 and I'm tired. I'll give you the quick version.
Cut the top off an old 12 volt car battery with a sawzall. Inside the battery you will find that there are 6 cells. Each cell contains the same exact thing, lead plates, vinyl looking paper thin material, and across the top of the lead plates there are thick lead bars. Here's what you're looking at...
Casting process:
Lead is poured though a mold to create a grid. The grid is similar to a piece of screen from a household screen door, except it's made of lead. There are 2 types of plates, positive and negative, they differ in grid design and thickness. After the grids are moulded, they get pasted.
Pasting:
The pasting process is like if you spread peanut butter onto a screen door. The paste is made from acid/ water/ and oxide. The paste is also what separates the chemical designation of polarity for a plate. After the plates are pasted they go into a curing oven where they are exposed to different cycles of humidity. After the curing process they go to Enveloping/ COS (Cast on Strap)...
Enveloping:
The enveloper machine is like a card sorting machine, kind of. It'll take a stack of negative plates and a stack of positive plates, and it'll sort them P then N the P then N, or vise versa. However, it'll wrap (in this case we'll say the positive plate) in plastic material that resembles an envelope with the end cut off. This is so when the positive plates get stacked with the negative plates, there is no metal to metal contact...thus keeping the polarities separate. The machine will stack the plates into group with a certain plate count. Let's say 15 in this case. 8 negatives and 7 enveloped positives.
COS (cast on strap)...or as my department calls it...(cast on scrap):
Once the enveloper machine stacks 6 groups (this happens in seconds). The groups enter a jig box that clamps them and aligns the lugs that are on top of each plate. Then they get dipped into a mould that lead pours into at about 800* Fahrenheit. Then all 6 groups get inserted in a battery case. At this point you will see a battery with no top on it, and if you look inside, you will see 6 groups. Each group now has 2 straps cast onto it. A strap for the negative lugs, and a strap for the positive lugs. The outer 2 groups will also have a tall post. 1 negative post, and 1 positive. After this step they then to go my department.
Assembly:
Now you have a battery with 6 cells...assembly's first step is to weld the cells together to complete the circuit. Then we heatseal a cover onto the top of the battery. After heatseal comes post burning. An operator puts a round mould on top of the cover, melts lead with a torch and fills the mould with liquid lead poured from a ladle.
From assembly, the batteries get filled with acid and sent to Forming.
Formation: This is what determines the polarity.
A formation operator connects clip jumpers to the designated battery terminal. The battery goes through a series of charges and discharges. When this step is complete after a few days, the batteries get cleaned and stickered and sent out into the world.

There are many many strict tests I left out in this process...I just wanted to give the short version. Ask me a question and I'll answer it.
a 12 volt battery has 6cells, 2 volts per cell. It's always 2 volts per cell...I don't know why. 6 volt batteries have 3 cells, 8 volt military batteries have 4 cells...you get it.
There are different group sizes, different acid gravities, different enveloping materials, etc. The plate count in a group constitutes the life span and CCA (cold cranking amps) of a battery.
Back to the main question.
Positive plates are designed to hold a positive charge and negative plates are designed to hold a negative charge. If you hook a negative cable to the positive post and a positive cable to a negative post at the start of formation, you will form (form is the term for the electrical chemical reaction that occurs inside the battery at it's first charge) the battery in reverse. If a battery is formed reverse, and you take a multimeter at the end of formation and touch the positive lead to the the positive battery terminal and the negative lead to the negative terminal, your meter should read -12.**v. BUT, if you hook it up in your car incorrectly (negative cable to the positive post and positive cable to a negative post)...Your car will fire right up. The problem is, now you have negative plates that were designed to hold a negative charge, but they're holding a positive charge...and vise verse with the positive plates. This most likely will cut the batteries life span in 1/2 and also affect CCA. Pretty much, it defeats every performance aspect that the battery was designed to provide.
Fun Facts!!!!
It takes about 15 seconds for a COS machine to take 6 groups, pour the strap onto it, and insert all 6 groups in a battery case.
It takes my assembly department only 1 8 hour shift to produce about 20,000 batteries.
Just from my department, on all 3 shifts, in ONLY my building (there are 5 automotive divisions, mine is the largest), we produce over 250,000 batteries in 1 40 hour work week. That's a million car batteries in 1 month just from 1 assembly department in 1 building.
I'd still rather be brewing beer though...
Now that the last smelter is closing, from where do you get the lead?
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We have our own lead smelters.
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We have our own lead smelters.
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Not me...talk to the CEO. I just complete the internal circuit and manufacture a quality product. I don't extract and refine lead, personally.
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Old 01-26-2014, 04:16 PM   #49
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whoever smelt it dealt it?
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