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JasonC SBB 12-12-2013 01:28 PM

Well gays, preliminary data for my N=1 (self) experiment is in.

Morning fasting blood sugar testing. Optimal is 70-85, 90-99 is marginal, and 100-110 is pre-diabetic.

A couple of months ago before I further reduced my starchy-food intake (which I had reduced some a couple of years ago), my morning blood sugar was typically 95-104.

A month ago after a couple of months of further reduced sugar/starch diet, it went to 85-95.

After 10 days of this resistant starch, the last 3 days of blood sugar showed 80,86,75. I have NEVER seen it below 85 before. And the 75 this morning.. I felt energetic and not weak nor hungry at all.

I'm thrilled at these results. This seems to be the final piece of the puzzle to get my blood sugar in the optimal range.

Naysayers can suck it.

y8s 12-12-2013 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1082111)
Naysayers can wait for large scale scientific studies.

??

Fireindc 12-12-2013 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1082132)
??

LOL, you might be waiting for a while. Just because their aren't large scale studies done on this yet, doesn't mean it's bullshit. Obviously it's working for Jason, for now at least.

sixshooter 12-12-2013 02:22 PM

I farted.

Maybe it was the mac n'cheese from a box mixed with a can of tuna. Don't hate, it was extra after my daughter had her supper. My wife and I don't usually eat supper, and yep, we feed our daughter ghetto style sometimes when we get home late and are too tired to cook from scratch. Anyway, there was some left and I ate it. I was pretty gassy this morning but it might have had nothing to do with the potato starch. YMMV.

TurboTim 12-12-2013 02:38 PM

Kraft mac n cheeze + canned tuna = awesome. It will make your blood sugar to below 85.

y8s 12-12-2013 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1082138)
LOL, you might be waiting for a while. Just because their aren't large scale studies done on this yet, doesn't mean it's bullshit. Obviously it's working for Jason, for now at least.

I am not making a claim that it works or not, just suggesting that a single datapoint provided here is hardly compelling scientifically.

JasonC SBB 12-12-2013 06:01 PM


a single datapoint provided here is hardly compelling scientifically
Thus my first line, "N=1 experiment".

The reason I was so interested in trying this, is because
a) there are many studies that suggest that RS reduces fasting blood glucose, *and* post-prandial BG.
b) there are several commenters in the comments to the blog I linked, that claimed the same.

If something works for you, will you stop doing it because of lack of "large scale scientific studies"? Or, if an experiment is easy to try with a potential big upside and little downside, will you not do it?

JasonC SBB 12-12-2013 06:04 PM

Why is keeping your blood glucose low so important? Here. I don't know if there are "large scale scientific studies". But the existing evidence is enough for me. You gays can all turn decrepit from neolithic diseases:

https://www.google.com/search?q=bloo...g%2C+longevity

mgeoffriau 12-12-2013 06:25 PM

I don't know, I'm hardly anti-science, but there's lots of very scientifically-compelling large scale studies that turned out to be bunk. N=1 isn't conclusive, but it's a start.

JasonC SBB 12-12-2013 07:50 PM

It's important to understand the limitations of large-scale epidemiological studies. This is a pretty important read:

Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat

sixshooter 12-13-2013 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1082193)
It's important to understand the limitations of large-scale epidemiological studies. This is a pretty important read:

Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat

Good article.

JasonC SBB 12-13-2013 03:49 PM

Another update.

The farting didn't start til about the 3rd day. I thought it would go away.

GODDAM my asshole needs a rest. On some days I fart for 2 days straight. Holy hell is there no gut bacteria that consumes the gas and turns it into rosewater or lavender??

JasonC SBB 12-13-2013 06:18 PM

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These things actually exist:
Odor Control for Embarrassing Flatulence & Excessive Gas | Flat-D
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1386976969

sixshooter 12-13-2013 09:28 PM

WTF are you eating? I've been using 4tbs per day for quite a few days without but a little touch of that one morning. It is normal the rest of the time.

JasonC SBB 12-15-2013 12:52 PM

I noticed it gets really bad when I have certain vegetables in the same meal. (onions, cauliflower)

I skipped one dose and only had 1 tbsp the next day, because I had a flotation tank session and didn't want to die in it from my own emissions. Mercifully, it stopped.

I plan to continue with 1 tbsp 2x/day and slowly ramp back up to 2 tbsp.

sixshooter 12-15-2013 02:20 PM

I'm eating a variety of things as I am not on any type of "diet" and am seeing no irregular gaseous emissions. Situation normal.

Efini~FC3S 12-16-2013 11:10 AM

Jason, how are you testing blood sugar? The same way a diabetic patient does?

JasonC SBB 12-16-2013 12:30 PM

$9 meter, highly reviewed for accuracy and small prick, comes with 10 strips:


Add'l 50 strips:


Why I started doing this: I noticed my A1c (average blood sugar) from yearly blood testing was creeping up. I noticed it, my doctor didn't flag it. Chris Kresser explains that if you see this you have to nip it in the bud. Do NOT wait for it to cross the mainstream's fine line from "you're fine" to "you're diabetic, start these meds for life":

When your “normal” blood sugar isn’t normal (Part 1)
Why your ?normal? blood sugar isn?t normal (Part 2)
How to prevent diabetes and heart disease for $16 <-- note the meter I linked appears better reviewed than the one he mentions
Why hemoglobin A1c is not a reliable marker

I used up a few dozen strips by starting a diary of these measurements:
- fasting morning
- before meals
- peak after meals after various meals.
- 90 minutes after various meals

I was looking for trends. I'm an engineer, data is good :)

My observation was that my fasting BG wasn't optimal, and I was very sensitive to starch - I was getting high post-meal peaks on relatively small amounts of starch, e.g. a whole banana in my smoothie, 2 buns on a burger, the flour on a tempura, sweet sauce in chinese food (without eating any rice!). However the peak came and went very quickly, and with a mainly starch meal (e.g. pasta), my BG crashed very quickly afterwards. I had *reactive hypoglycemia*, which can be a precursor to diabetes later on. I also noticed that beer would spike my BG but not wine or bourbon. So I learned to mix cocktails using Stevia. :) And 2 weeks after starting on the indigestible starch, my post-meal spikes appear significantly lower. I plan to have more pizza :)

Savington 12-17-2013 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1082480)
Another update.

The farting didn't start til about the 3rd day.

This is ripe for a title change. The mods have gotten lazy :party:

mgeoffriau 12-17-2013 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1083251)
$9 meter, highly reviewed for accuracy and small prick

Wait, you pick out the farting quote but don't highlight this sentence?


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