Joined the LS club.
 

LS2, that is.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370205223


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370205223

I know, I know. I want a turbo Miata. This is true. However, I also want a fun DD. I had been looking for cheap Miatas and the one I wanted sold out from under me (guy was an idiot, I spoke to him then drove an hour and a half to look at it, drove it, made an offer and he told me it had sold earlier that morning... least I got to enjoy sliding a Miata with a Torsen for the first time!).

I test drove a stock '04 Sport. Real nice car, and REAL slow.

Then I happened upon this car, in decent shape, for.... a really, really good price. I have wanted one of these like y'all wouldn't believe. There was a time when if I could have had any car under $100k, it would have been one of these.

Now I've got one.

It came with a commitment though... I believe this is our 14th car in the last 3 years. It's something of an unhealthy obsession and I'm spending way too much time on it. So in order to get my wife to agree for us to buy this, I had to agree to not buy any more vehicles for 5 years.

That should give me PLENTY of time to save up for a sweet turbo miata.

PLUS.... the deal doesn't include anything about buying car PARTS. tee hee... :dealwithit:

'Grats man. Love those things.

Actually considering swapping the 'Vette for one of these once our baby gets here.

Check back in after you've driven it extensively and give us your feedback. Also the MPG that it gets around town

Drove an '02 ZO6 'vette a couple weeks ago. The 'vette was quicker (but not by much) but I prefer the GTO by a huuuuuge margin -- seats so much better, and I don't like sitting so low relative to the rest of the car. Front fenders stuck up too much.

Anyway, I brought the car home Wednesday night and have put about 300 miles on it. Highway only running 78 mph I was getting 27-28 mpg. With normal, mixed driving it's right around 20. Throw in some aggressive driving (long, hard sustained acceleration on an uphill mountain road) and it drops to 18. If something changes I'll update.

The torque is just absolutely mind blowing. Unreal. I do miss the turbo shove though, and the Miata's gearbox. I'll still have to get one someday... maybe 5 years and a day from Wednesday!

DAT TORQUE!!

Tell me about it. Always puts a smile on my face.

Just got back from a drive.

This thing is rated for 400 hp and 395 lb ft. It feels wonderful. Could use a bit more involvement and some stiffer suspension but not by all too much. Just sweet. Removed the much-too-dark tint off the front side windows today, much better.

I've got a G8. I find that I drive the Miata a lot more. Which is great for keeping miles off the G8 (likely to be collectible someday, last of the "Pontiacs" and all).

Things I recommend:

1. Intake
2. Tune.
3. Headers and high-flow cats.
4. Better wheels. I dropped 10 lbs from each corner with Enkei PF01's! Does great things for handling and comfort.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1370219562

Man, that looks good.

Hmm, I really prefer the look of the stock wheels but might consider a change at some point down the road. Likely won't do anything for the duration of the 5 years though on the wheels.

As far as the other stuff... Between intake, tune and exhaust how much performance and fuel economy gain did you see? The only way I could rationalize any performance mods would be if it increases fuel economy as well. To be honest, I don't feel a desire for more power at this point! Very satisfied with this car as it sits, minus the bits of reconditioning it needs.

Hmmm, Aussie muscle-cars owned by Americans on a turbo-charged Miata forum - who've "thunk" it?

Ha a bit ironic I guess. What is even more ironic is that when American magazines would get their hands on a Monaro they would rave and everyone would whine that the Aussies got the good muscle cars. So Pontiac brought it over.... And almost nobody bought it.

I love it.

Working on a name for it though. Thinking Thor or Zeus. Any Aussie suggestions?

"Thunder (from Down Under)" ???

Had an 06 CGM. Sold it recently actually. Really a fantastic car, mine was completely immaculate. Too perfect for a guy who is used to driving hunks of crap, which is why I only put 13k miles on it in the 3.5 years I owned it.

Assuming you got an M6, get a short shifter on that thing immediately. I put a Billet Pro on mine, best mod hands down for the car.

I will say, the trunk size always made me a bit sad. I understand why it was the size it was, but it sucked having such a large car with such a useless trunk. Oh well.

I kinda miss it, I'm sure you will enjoy yours!

P.S. - A note for anyone considering doing an LS swap in a Miata and keeping it a street car.....drive one of these first. For the money invested into making a Miata LS powered, you can buy an already nicely equipped comfortable LS powered street car for less money.

How about Donk (Crocodile Dundee tribute)?

If it's anything like the G8, intake and tune is low-hanging fruit. Worth about 30-40HP on a G8, I kid you not! Plus, it makes an automatic behave a lot better. Is yours an automatic or a manual (manual, I hope)?

On the wheels, I figured that I was saving the OEM's for posterity (they are, in fact, stored away). Dropping that much weight does make a big difference though. The interesting thing is that the wheels on your car are likely 18x8 Enkei MAT wheels, just like the PF01s. The GM OEM "styling" adds 10 pounds! I just couldn't stomach that.

Haha I love the Dundee reference. However naming it donk would likely leave people either thinking I'm shortening badonkadonk or donkey or something!

...that much power on a G8? Wow. Perhaps I'll have to look into that in the somewhat near future. Did you notice an MPG improvement?

Yes mine is an M6. Also, mine are the 17" wheels, the 18s were optional in '05 and '06 (or were they standard on '06? Not sure...)

Karter: that copper color is my fave on the GTO, even over blue which is normally my favorite car color. Jealous. Do you mind me asking how much you sold it for? Also, yes the trunk was a disappointment. I expected it to be quite large and actually had never looked in the trunk of a GTO until AFTER I bought mine! Unpleasant surprise but hey I guess you can't have everything. Why is it so small anyway?

For the near future I won't be modding anything, just reconditioning, but the mods will start coming later!

Getting tired of the miata and wanting V8 power. Completely over convertibles. GTO and G8 both seem to fit the bill for replacement.

FYI: "Donk" is an Aussie slang term for a car's engine so it's not a bad name given the thread's title.

Honestly the biggest thing I have against the goat is that it weighs 3700lb
I can't get over how ridiculously heavy that car is
Otherwise really nice

Two of my close friends have/had these and I run around with a bunch of guys that have them.

They have a lot of common problems. I would strongly recommend registering on LS1GTO.com and going through the stickies and becoming acquainted with their issues.

Dont buy a Hurst shifter, hurst had big problems with them. When my buddy called to source some parts to service his, the Hurst rep said "Oh one of those GTO shifters. Tell me what parts you need and give me an address, and Ill ship them out." No questions asked or anything.

Let me show you the problem
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48593...h=188&c=7&rs=1
The base that the shifter handle goes into has a plastic cup with another plastic cup inside it. Im not sure if its for feel or stability but the plastic wears out very quickly and the expense ass shifter feels like shit pretty quick.

If they dont wear out, you mar the shit out of the plastic and then it gets stuck.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachm...4&d=1214451179

Guys have had the cups remachined out of metals and had good results, and on newer ones they have re-greased the assembly and had better longevity

Hurst for the camaros is awesome, not so much for the goat.

Make sure the back window is nice and dark or the back seats will split.

If you want power and economy Id recommend a tune. The stock LS2 tune is pretty bad and both friends got nice gains in power and economy with a tune. If you plan on doing the rest of the bolt ons you may want to wait and do it all at once though to get the most out of it. LSxs see big gains from a good Long tube header on almost all platforms.

Yeah it's definitely super porky. Once I get a few more things sorted out on it I'll be a lot happier with it. I need to clean and treat the leather to soften it up again, and I need to get the exterior buffed and stuff. A couple paint issues (can't seem to get away from these...) but I should be able to fix them pretty easy.

Until then, just livin' the dream! ha

Some pictures of my friends when it was new in 06. Im not a photographer dont hate.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370235699
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370235699

Thanks for the info. To clarify, all the issues listed above are for the Hurst shifter correct? I don't plan to change the shifter out for some time, but now I know that if I do, I should avoid the Hurst! Good to know.

I honestly don't feel the need for more power now, but I certainly wouldn't complain about better economy. I am registered on GTOforums.com but will check out ls1gto.com as well.

I LOVE the way these cars look. Dayum. :party:

Yah my buddy says the MGW and GMM are the ones considered to be the best, and the Hurst is the only one I know of with the issues I was talking about.

Also dont lock your steering wheel when you park, It can lead to accelerated wear in the lock cylinder housing. The cars have a problem with wear on the housing, that causes the key to just not turn one day, many times without warning. 2 wears and causes 1 to bind.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370237022

GMpartshouse sells an updated part, notice the change in shape of the area marked 2 on the 1st pic.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370237022

After seeing the hassle this caused both friends I would install updated parts as preventative maintenance.

When my friend had his 1st fail he got a GM at the dealer (not updated part) and it failed again 2 weeks later. He ended up doing it 3 or 4 times before modifying a new one to look like the updated part (we didnt know about the updated part at the time.)

Also start preparing to replace the suspension bushings. They are pretty much all trash, along with the front struts. Check for strut rub to.

Once you get one sorted they are awesome cars though.

No.

Why not? I like the thunder theme cuz of the noise but don't want to name him thunder... Might end up doing it anyway but whatever.

Well "Heavy Pig" is already taken :giggle:

Haha! Indeed, and its still like 1000 pounds lighter and will soon be producing roughly the same HP. Damn.

Hmm... I could go African theme... Rhino? They're fat but tough... Hippo isn't very flattering and elephant is way too long... Dumbo?

One of my old friends had a GTO and all he could talk about was the GTO TAX on every damn part he needed. He would laugh at the markup there was on anything labeled for the GTO versus the stock LS part.

Oh he thinks that's bad?

I should tell him about the CORVETTE TAX ;)

Ugh, don't even get me started.

Because you cannot reasonably name a stock-powered GTO after the head of the Greek pantheon or the Norse god of storms and strength.

If you insist on using one of those, please use Zeus and leave the Æsir out of it. The Marvel character is bad enough.

Donk fits all the bills: it's Australian slang, it references the engine (which is one of the best features of the car), and in America it could be a reference to a fat ass - usually in a positive light.

Lots of activity here. We're all excited about your new car!!

Wholeheartedly agree with getting on the type-specific forums. I've had surprising issues with the G8 (like, complete cam and lifter replacement under warranty!!). Being on the forums means I was alert to what the issues were and prepared when making warranty claims.

Someone also mentioned tune and headers. True enough. If you keep the mods light, you can just buy an inexpensive "canned" tune, like a Diablosport or Cortex. I see them all the time on Craigslist (make sure they are unlocked -- favorite theft item). Once you go long tube headers, you'll be looking at a custom tune. Worth it either way. You will gain MPG with the tune. On G8's, the intake is particularly poor. Not sure if it's the same with the GTO.

You really should reconsider Donk. It's what you're going to do to Mustangs after all. Would make a great license plate, and NOBODY messes with a toothless Rugby player named Donk, not even Zeus.

Here's one for you . . . which car is heavier?

2009 Pontiac G8 GT with 6.0:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1370219562

1966 Plymouth Sport Fury Convertible with "Super Commando" 383:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1370279126

Corvette's are at least made in the US. He was always bitching about parts coming from Australia and shit. Really I just ignored him for the most part because the car was just MEH to me.

CGM is Cyclone Grey Metallic

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370295528

Mine was an 06. Bought in 09, sold in '12. The car was absolutely perfect, still smelled new inside. Came with the 18" wheels, picked up a set of 17" during ownership. Only mods were shifter, Magnaflow catback, and Kenwood stereo. I kept all the original parts and sold them along with the car, including a spare front bumper I purchased (originally planning on keeping the car forever, thought with such a limited production, better stock up on potential consumable parts). Sold the car with everything included for $18k.

For shifters, I always read Billet Pro was #1, followed by the GMM Ripper Shifters. Mind blowingly expensive compared to anything Miata, but dear god does it help the car.

Trunk is tiny because of US crash regulations and GM had to move the gas tank further into the car. If you remove the back wall carpet you will see a removable metal brace that shields the gas tank (the gas tank is in between the rear seats and the trunk space).

The Holden had the gas tank down below where the spare tire is on the car, giving an enormous amount of trunk space. You'll notice in pictures the gas cap location difference between the GTO and he Holden.

Here's something I cannot stop thinking about ever since this thread:

how difficult and expensive is it to drop the weight on these bad boys a few hundred lbs? with their curb weight, surely many have attempted some weight redux mods.

I'm curious about this as well. I had a friend with one that was cammed with a 150 shot that ran 10's. The thing was a fucking pig to drive, and was slow as shit off the bottle (read 1.6 stock motor turbo miata is faster).

Was a sick drag car though.

It boggles my mind how heavy new cars are.

There are air bags in every nook and cranny.

Lots of structure behind the bumpers and in the doors for side-impact. Some of that may have stiffness benefit though.

G8 has a double-pane windshield. GTO too?

Etc.

Corvette is also much heavier than it should be.

Fury, as big as it is and including the ragtop triple-frame, is still about 200#'s lighter than the G8.

Makes me doubt we could actually put a man on the moon anymore. Too risk averse/pansified.

Yeah the vettes are porkers at 3300lb and having gone over the whole car the only thing I can see contributing much to the weight is the frame, engine, brakes, and trans. Everything else is actually either plastic or fiberglass and very light.

But 3700......wow
And don't get me started on the 4200 camaros, challengers, 300c's, etc. I don't even comprehend

The other day I typed up a full response here on my cell phone (most of my posts are done on my phone) and the damn thing deleted it so I was pissed and didn't try again for a few days.

I freaking love those 18" stock wheels.

Karter your car was gorgeous. And at 18k it was a bargain with all the mods you had. I only paid $11k for this car though, and even though it's not perfect, that was the absolute most I could afford and ohhh I love driving it.

They weighed it for some reason for the safety inspection today and the total came out to just under 3900 lbs with 3/4 tank of fuel... and a case of bottled water and a gallon of distilled water in the trunk, hehe. That's just... unacceptable.

So my first goal with the car (besides the bit of reconditioning from sun damage) will be weight reduction. I'll do the things that cost less first, and go from there.

Couple things: There's an x-brace behind the gas tank. Many say it's not important, and weighs like 35 pounds. There's also some other brace (v-brace, y brace, something like that) that supposedly weighs another 15. I need to research this more because I want to make sure I'm not significantly hampering the structural rigidity... but assuming I'm not, that's 50 pounds.

Beyond that, I'll just have to look and see. I don't how how difficult the carpet is to get up and remove some of the sound deadening. I'll research how heavy the muffler is.

The stock wheels are friggin' 26 lbs apiece :facepalm:.

I wish I could buy some 6ULs for this thing. Would save up and do it, no question. Since I can't, I'll be searching for new wheels. Will want to stay with 17x8 or 17x9. On a tight budget, so nothing exotic. This purchase will be a year ahead, at least, so I have plenty of time for research. Assuming I can get a 16 pound wheel, that's another 40 pounds and it's unsprung weight! Hoping I could save 20 pounds off the muffler/exhaust, I'm at 110 pounds saved with that stuff.

Found these on TireRack and I kinda like them but I think I'd want to step up to 17x9... I would like them to fit a little more flush with the fenders. I suppose that could also be accomplished with a spacer or different offset though. Dunno. 18.6 pounds, $142 apiece. I actually really like the Drag DR-37s from Discount Tire, but they are 21.5 lbs apiece. Bleh.

Taking the case of water out the back would help. Tee hee. :party:

the harmonic damper on my vette weighs a ton - there's another opportunity since yours is the same..just a thought

Too dumb to understand if this is a joke or if you're being serious. :noob:

Pontiac GTO 2004-2006 Weights and Weight Comparisons - WikiAuto

65lb hood
65lb seats
20lb seat brackets (lol?)
50lb spare/jack
100lb of exhaust, apparently

lol

why would that be a joke? I'm sure an alum version of it would save some 20lbs or something.

Eh, just thought maybe you were goofing off saying to remove important parts or something. Thought maybe one of my earlier suggestions was really dumb and I didn't even know it.

Sounds like a good idea.

Wow you guys have more Aussie cars than we do.

Nice Goat!

I was looking pretty hard at them when the G8 came out, and I found a great deal on an '09. Kept it stock except for a CAI, tune, and custom widened 2010 Camaro wheels (you want to talk HEAVY???)...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370526624

It was one of the best road cars I've ever owned, but was pretty floaty in the tight stuff.

A few weeks ago, I picked this up:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370526624

Should make a good stablemate to my Miata, for which I'm still planning a turbo.

I remember that when I drove a new GTO that the doors were extremely heavy to swing closed. There is apparently lots of extra mass inside them.

For comparison, my 1968 GTO convertible is ~3700lbs wet with a 7.6 liter engine. '67 Austin Healey Sprite is 1250lbs.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370530930

You need to get both of those cars back up and running sir. It is sad to walk past them when I am at your house.

You know, looking at all the cool cars everyone is posting, makes me wonder if we shouldn't dedicate a thread to the subject.

Turbofan, on wheel weight, all I can say is I told you so. Seriously, lightweight, high-quality wheels were the best mod I made on the G8. Pays off in every respect. Here's my thread on this over in the G8 area: http://www.g8board.com/forums/showth...highlight=pf01. I got all kinds of reactions to the PF01s. A lot of people are hardcore form over function types when it comes to wheels.

hahaha... got a kick out of reading your other thread. What a tool that Eric guy is. Compensating for something, no doubt. I have plenty of time to pick out a lightweight wheel, but that's definitely a direction I'd like to go. The debate will also be between 17 and 18". The 18s I'm looking at are maybe 1 pound heavier than the 17s and they look much better... but of course, tires are more expensive as well. Decisions, decisions. To be honest, I don't really like the look of the PF01s on your G8. It's not the size, but the style. I would have to see them on the GTO before I would buy a set. I'm definitely a function before style kind of guy, I just know that with patience I'll find a wheel that is satisfactorily light AND looks good. I tend to prefer solid 5-spoke or BBS style wheels.

Sixshooter: yup the doors are pretty darn heavy. side impact beams, a large glass window with power window motor, and dismembered kangaroos add a lot of weight.

Roda: Those wheels look awesome on the G8. I can imagine they're super heavy though. It's a shame -- I almost always prefer the look of factory wheels but they're often prohibitively heavy. If 949 made a 6ul in 17x8 for $180 apiece I'd buy a set, no question. too bad!

I also like a 'stockish' looking wheel (on a sedan, anyway), and the Camaro wheels looked great on the G8. On the Camaro, they're 20x8 front and 20x9 rear. I put the rears on the front, and had the 20x8s widened to 20x10 for the rear of the G8. 255s up front 295s in back. About 55lbs per corner! :rofl:

Ditched some weight, went to Wide Open Wednesday
 

So, I ditched some weight. Gas tank bracket, v-brace, spare tire and jack and all that junk. Changed the oil. Washed it. Went to Wide Open Wednesday at Miller Motorsports Park.

Enjoyed the track time, but they put cones up to force you into crappy lines on higher speed corners. Favorite part was the autocross though. I know I know, heavy car.... but the torque was a blast, and I slid it all over the place.

No official competition, but I was asking them about others' times... There was a Boss Mustang (current model), the Laguna Seca Boss edition, and a current GT500.... Beat all their times too :giggle::party: By just 1/10th of a second, but hey... still beat 'em, in my stock GTO. Wahoo! Had a guy come up to me and say it was a pleasure watching me drive. It was a great time overall.

Videos will be up on YouTube and I'll link them, but for now just a pic.
Note: I tried to upload three photos, but this is the only one that damn file manager would actually upload. The others keep failing. So you'll have to see epic body roll pictures after I get them uploaded to photobucket.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1371100600

Nice

How much weight did all that junk total?

Just think what it would do with lightweight wheels and decent rubber.

(Broken Record)

Trust me: this kept going through my head all evening.

The rubber on the car is actually pretty decent. Dunlp Direzza Z101 or whatever. They're a summer tire and pretty sticky. Seem like a good balance between grip and durability.

OK so I've uploaded some videos. Not exactly professional grade videos (or really driving, I suppose). Beware the in-car videos: My mount wasn't very sturdy (ha) so it might give you an epileptic seizure. Even so, I enjoy watching them!

My first autocross run, shot from above. Ran a 37.8. Pretty slow, but he said it was the fastest first run he had seen.


My best run. Unfortunately killed a cone so I guess it didn't really count. :vash:


An in-car AutoX run. YouTube's shaky video fixing makes a HUGE difference.


In-car run on the west course. I have an east course run too but haven't uploaded it yet (forgot to stop recording so the video is 20 minutes long... oops.)


Anyway... Feedback? What a blast.

I have no clue why it double posts videos. I go to the vid and hit share, then copy the URL it gives me. Then here I click the YouTube icon and paste the youtube link between the brakets. Right or wrong?

GTO Update
 

So, Vlad sent me a PM about this car asking a few questions. Figured I'd go ahead and just post the answers here so any others who are curious can read them.

Did you do any weight redux mods yet?
All I did was remove the gas tank brace and the y brace from underneath. I had removed the spare and jack and stuff but it's back in there now. Will probably take it out again this weekend. Once that's back out, approximate weight savings is 100 lbs. I plan to ditch the insulation under the hood soon, which is worth what... 10 pounds? Also replaced the center resonator with an x-pipe, probably only saved about 5-10 pounds there. Next weight-saving mod will be wheels.

Hows the mpg?
...Acceptable. In Utah, I averaged right around 20 mpg with about 70% highway and at least one full throttle 10-85 mph run each time I drove it. :party: Here in Oregon where traffic moves a little slower and there are more hills I am averaging just under 19 MPG, but again probably 65% highway.

On the trip from Utah to Oregon packed full of stuff it got about 23.5 mpg running 75+. Not as good as I had hoped but not horrible. All city driving would be probably 12-15 mpg.

Hows the car overall for daily use?
Again, reasonable. The clutch is a little heavy but probably about the same as the clutch on your old car. Visibility is horrible. Seats are super comfy. Stock shifter blows, I want to replace it. But since Vlad is kindof a baller that's no big deal for him.

The rear seats are awesome. There are separate A/C vents back there. My 6"2" tall uncle fit back there fine. The squeeze to get back there is kinda tight though.

Any reliability or maintenance issues? How much money have you spent on up-keep so far?
None thus far. I understand I should change the differential fluid. I've put maybe 3k miles on the car so far. Changed the oil just after I got it so I'll change it again in a few K miles. I have some ticking happening in the engine. Sounds like lifters. Will have to investigate.

As for the ride, I really like how it rides. Firm but not jarring. Very comfortable on the freeway. 80+ mph on cruise is heaven. Car has a great sense of straight ahead stability, but it actually feels really good when you push it hard in the corners. That being said, I know my rear shocks are totally shot. I need new suspensions. I want to put Konis in because they're adjustable, affordable, and have great reviews, but they require cutting the stock strut in half... not really interested in that. So my next purchase for this car will be new adjustable shocks of some sort, but not yet sure which ones I'll go with.

In summary: I still miss my Miata. I have taken the GTO on some seriously awesome roads west of Portland and it really does them well, but the car is big and it feels big. I'm expecting that between new, firmer shocks and lighter wheels I'll get a more nimble feel. But the steering rack has a pretty slow ratio (there is a faster rack available for it from Pedders) and no matter what it's pretty heavy. The ONLY time the weight bothers me, though, is on really tight small switchback roads, and the awesome, AWESOME torque mostly makes up for it. This thing is quite a lot stronger at this elevation with this humidity than it was in Utah. Throw on an intake, long tube headers and a tune and you'll be close to 400 whp. Comfortable, reasonable fuel economy, comfortable, and TORQUE. What's not to love?

All in all, I love it. I love how it torques, how it drives, how it rides, and how it looks. TTP. And I can bring friends along. All it would need to be perfect is a turbo Miata parked next to it that can be the weekend canyon carver.

Oh snap, thanks man. Really appreciate the feedback.

Might go look at one this weekend;)

Sold the vette a week ago and literally the only thing I miss is that engine. So if I can haz it in a more practical car, with better interior (hopefully) I might just get one.

What year? Color? How many miles?

Definitely go drive one if you haven't. On ls1GTO.com there's a red '06 with all the right good mods and less than 10k miles for sale. Beautiful.

So? Did you go look at it?

I can only imagine how sweet one of these would be with good shocks on stock springs, LT headers, intake and tune, and a good shifter. Sooo sick.

I passed.

It was a clean 05 spiral gray or something simlar, 75k miles and one (lady) owner. very very clean. She wants 13.5 which I thought was a steal at first, but then I ran the KBB.

WOWWWW

These cars don't hold value for crap. I was shocked that even private party good condition it was at like 12.7 and down. For a car that's only 8 years old and was 35k new. Didn't want to lowball the lady, so i passed.

If I would be planning to keep this car for long term and not care about losing money, I'd get one in a heartbeat. I really really like them still