Tomwa

whether it's the schools fault or not, the whole deal is that no one is involved or wants to be, if people don't say something about it there will never be any differences made.

The whole bi-lingual education thing, yeah no one HAS to learn the language but the schools shouldn't be held accountable for teaching classes in 2 languages especially since it requires more tax money.

My great grandparents (on my mom's side) came here from Finland, they learned to speak english and for damn sure my grandmother was raised to speak english. She still lived in a area where a lot of people from finland settled (U.P. Michigan) but everyone at the time took pride in adapting and becoming american. As did the largest immigration population in america...Germans.

The "no official language" thing is just a bullshit way for people to cop out.

Loki047

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Personally I like that theres no official language, I like that people retain their language and heritage. Im happy with the way it is why would i say a thing? You need to get your point across mines already done for me

miatanutz

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For all intents and purposes english is the "official" language of the USA.

My great grandparents came here from Germany and struggled with the language, but learned as best they could a adopted America as their home. They never asked to be taught in German or requested that signs be in German etc. My grandmother taught herself english and grammar even though she only was in school for three years. When I was a kid she'd correct me on my english/grammar, she was a whiz at word games and scrabble etc...I thought she was a retired teacher like my other grandmother, then one day she told me she only had a third grade education. I also learned that she was quite fluent in German as well but she had no accent.

Frankly there is no excuse to adopt a country as your home but refuse to learn the language. Its a cop out and lazy. There is nothing wrong with keeping your "old" language alive either. If one isn't lazy they can do both.

Loki047

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I dont know what tha means.... We dont have an official language you cant have for all intents and purposes cause if that were true peolpe would be forced to learn english even tho it isnt a law.

LOLA - 92

Well, how about if we learn the "American" Language?

Loki047

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Well if we doing american that means french, english, spanish and about 6 other languages are included

Tomwa

The point is that if the mass american people accept English as the language of use, then you can say for all intensive purposes it is the official language. The people decide the laws anyway and if the people feel that english is the official language then it might as well be down on paper.

Just because it's not written that it's the official language and that usage other wise is against the law doesn't mean that it can be exploited as an excuse not to adapt. The ruling probably isn't in the constitution because during that period people were afraid of confining the people under laws that the people would disagree with. Setting an official language seems constricting..but it's no different then setting a common currency.

In fact...the american monetary system could be very likened to language...the dollar bill you hold in your hand doesn't have any more value than paper. The value comes from the assumed meaning behind it. It represents it's value, it isn't actually worth anything. Just like words do... so does that mean we are supposed to open up and allow people to pay us in pesos? or how about rubles? no?.....francs?

Loki047

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Well dollar bills arent made of paper But again your looking at it from the wrong view, a person can accept any currency he/she wants to, he/she isnt forced into using US currency. Theres the option there are place that do accept more than just US currency.

Just like a person can speak any language they want to. If they choose not to speak english then they will deal with the consequences. Plus knowing a little spanish doesnt hurt when it comes to senoritas

Tomwa

Senoritas?? ummm...right. I really don't know anyone who sweeps women away with spanish. French if anything...but um...yeah no. If you are talking about spanish speaking women who don't speak english...i'd rather not.

Yes there are consequences..there are locations that will take foreign currency but it's not a wide spread and "everywhere" deal...it's limited to those locations and everyone just knows to go there. That and when people do take foreign currency usually it's to exchange for U.S. bills. (i know it's not paper but it's easier to explain it that way).

miatanutz

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One problem is that in some areas people who are too lazy to learn english are demanding to be taught in public school in their language and have American society conform to them, rather then adopting America and its customary language. Lazy is all that is. Some who "demand" such "rights" aren't even legal.

Loki047

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Im talking about legal citizens. They have the right...

miatanutz

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Yeah...the right to learn english and quit being so damned lazy.
Any way you slice it the notion that ANY group of people legally immigrate to the USA and then demand everything be done in some foreign language to suit THAT GROUP is ridicuous.

Your premise that we don't have a law that "enforces" english as "official" therefore such actions are reasonable is also absurd. If we follow this stupidity far enough then logically we should have all signs in at least 30 or 40 (if not more)languages because of course why would the rights of mexicans or spanish speaking be greater then say the rights of the immigrants from grasshuttlandia africa where the language is pigsnort or those from some russian republic or china or etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and for that matter why not include classes and signs in ebonics for the citizens who prefer that street giberish.

Like I said, its just people too ******* lazy to learn the customary language here...which is english. Perhaps such a law should be enacted to put an end to such bullshit 'special interest group' thinking.

Loki047

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well road way signs arent in any language so I dont know what that means about changing signs. Since there isnt a official language no one would have to change anything... Im not sure what you have your panties in a bunch about. They arent breaking the law, in fact the law is exactly what these legal citizens are abiding by. Its not my premise about the law, its the law. The only people who it inconviences is the goverment which is way inefficent as it is, if allowing applications and forms to be printed in other languages which those legal taxpayers have the right to request. They are paying the taxes they are legal citizens they can request wahtever they want. No ones forcing you to use the spanish tax return form.....

If its the extra burden to the finanical situation the federal goverment is in, you are look down the wrong alley.

Joe Prinz

Loki- I have been reading your ignorant crap for too long and I can no longer let you fool people anymore. What you need to do is drop out of college and return to high school as you really didnt learn even the basics. English language IS the law to become a citizen. Here is a quote from the uscis.gov website.

According to the law, applicants must
demonstrate:
• “an understanding of the English
language, including an ability to read,
write, and speak...simple words and
phrases...in ordinary usage in the
English language....”
• “a knowledge and understanding of the
fundamentals of the history, and of the
principles and form of government, of
the United States....”
This means that to be eligible for
naturalization, you must be able to read,
write, and speak basic English. You must
also have a basic knowledge of U.S.
History and Government (also known as
“civics”).

Most of your technical knowledge is good for the toilet as well.. you apparently are doing much more drinking in school then listening. Its too bad that somehow you managed to gain some sort of sick and twisted reputation for knowledge here.. I feel sorry for those that listen to even one word of ignorant BS that comes out of your mouth.

To the rest of you spewing anti-immigrant BS.. get off your dead beat asses and do something about it. Join the Minutmen association as I did and help spread the word.

To all you "Mexicans": this would not be about "Mexicans" if it weren't for the fact that no other nationality cannot follow our laws. If you think this country is yours then come and take it! We could take over your country with one M1-A tank! We made what a America is; not you! So shut the hell up and follow our laws... Awww... we are capped on entries now.. SORRY! YOU LOSE! Should have filled out the forms like we told you to now you aren't even on the list! Now go back to your country and try and avoid the water cuz it gives ya the *****! Oh; and in a few weeks; I will be serving my time on the Phoenix border.. where if I find your dehydrated piece of **** a$$ trying to come across I will hand you a drink of water and put you on an air-condtioned bus back to your border.. thats how we do things in America at the moment.. soon that will change... Soon we will do what we did in New Orleans (and this is not public knowledge)... when the military (recently back from Iraq and totally accustomed to dealing with groups if idiots) encountered a group of individuals stealing; looting; raping.. they would simply make a head go away with a single round.. yes, the human head would virtually vaporize and no one would no where the shot came from.. this would make them all run in many directions and rethink about what they are doing... anyhow.. this is soon to happen at the border.. and Jose' will go back with the story.. should slow things down a bit...

magnamx-5

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You are right but the problem isn't them it is EL presedente Bush Sr.and Jr. who want to turn htis into mexico north as they increase the gap between the middle and upper class and do as much as possible to make sure we only have a lower and upper class from wich we serve him and his cronies. I believe the sniper scenario it is plausible you don't give someone a gun and tell him everyon i an enemy take care now and expect them ot come back wiht any reluctance to kill anyone or anything just look at what happened in vietnam different war same stupidity same results..

bripab007

Wow. I must say, there are some interesting views/opinions on this board...many of which make me less proud to be an American

(Can't wait to see what some of you crazy bastards read into that comment )

Joe Prinz

No. There is no conspiracy theory. Quit trying to put blame on someone for all the **** going down.. its stupid.. I've listened to guys like you go on and on how Bush actually arranged 9/11... stupid.

As for the vietnam comment.. dude get a edumacation... quit living in the past... let me help you here..

You got a group of people (many groups) in New Orleans.. stealing and raping 12yr olds. Now; we could do a few things.. now you pick Mr. Liberal..

1.) Look the other way and say its not my daughter getting a diseased **** shoved up her 12 yr old a$$ that will need therapy for the rest of her life and probably consider suicide.

2.) Yell harsh language.

3.) Fire rounds in the air and disperse the gang of f#ckheads.. for which they will just gather back up and start it again.. seen over and over..

4.) Take them all out... EASY.. but lots of lost life; bad press; and more hatred of anything anyone can try and pin it on from Bush on down..

5.) Vaporize the head of the f#cker with his dick out and watch the gang disperse in horror running for their mommies.. never to come back and probably needing psychological help for mental trauma which they needed in the first place for doing something like that to a helpless 12 yr old..


You choose flower boy. Or maybe you have a better idea? Lets hear it!

Also; these orders came from the top after repeated attempts with poor results... it's very effective in Iraq BTW.. minimizes life loss.. They never even see it coming.. its all radioed to a helicopter out of sight from ground troops using laser technology. The ordinance had a small explosive in it as to not leave any evidence.. there are no holes to analyze..

So this is not ground troops run rampid as you ignorantly suggest.... get the facts and quit making things up.. its sickening.

Joe Prinz

Freedom aint' easy my friend.. its not always pretty. I can sum this up for you.. there are many cases were the minority must suffer (ie the bad guys) so the majority can live in peace.

A parallel.. and I HATE this one.. because I love animals.. you take any medication? Or family members alive because of it? A dog suffered for your life my friend... think about that.. an innocent animal... we are dealing with SCUM here.. so what you cryin about?

boost

this thread makes me REALLY glad that i live in canada, where we don't think it's necessary to "vapourize" the heads of people that try to move into our country.

magnamx-5

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hey i am by no means a pacifist or flower boy i just see the loss of life in Ieaq and veitnam as senseless distraction we could have done it wiht a nuke or we could have just got someone else to do it. We have accomplished nothing but the disruption of the region and angering htose around us moreso then ever. as for the kids in New orleans i have none but i wouldn't leave mine alone in a disaster area or let nayone touch them i did not say they where wrong for killing them i just said it didn't surprise me i wasn't there so i cant judge. I find it sad that the young like me are driven into the service by a lackluster job market and floundering economy to be led by a bunch of arm chair generals. the mas loss of life is often senseless but in some cases it can be justified. Chill out GI joe i am sympathetic to the plight but that doesn't mean i agree with the situation they put you in heck i almost did it myself but the numbers didn't make sense. Plus some of the punks they let throuhg there are pretty pathetic anyway:gay: