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Old 11-22-2010, 02:41 PM   #41
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The calculator worked fine for me.

"Your BMI is 23.7, indicating your weight is in the Normal category for adults of your height (6'0).For your height, a normal weight range would be from 136 to 184 pounds" and I'm 175lbs. I could stand to have 9 extra pounds of bullshit in me before I'm considered overweight.
Well, I'm 5'8 and 182 lbs and anyone on here who has met me can tell you that I'm not fat, my body fat right now is high teens. That website is telling me I'm near obese. 2 months ago before hurting my back and life getting hectic I was 173 lbs and even then I was considered over weight according to that site.


It's retarded, they don't want you to lose weight. They want you to quit or get fired.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:28 PM   #42
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I can't believe they can make you do that being that you aren't military personnel, but ehh, guess there's no time to bi**h about... good luck man and be safe!
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:34 PM   #43
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physical fitness assessments are the new and easiest way for the gov't to weed people out because there are too many people in and too many people trying to get in.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:46 PM   #44
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BMI is a joke. It is fine for inactive people. However, I hit the gym quite a bit, and I am 6'4" and about 215 and I am Obese... How does this work? I am in better shape now than when I was 190.. I feel better, more energy, and my waste is smaller (36). 25.8 is my BMI.
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Be careful of the information presented here, I feel like a lot of people are giving an opinion based on what they "think" to be true or hear. The American College of Sports Medicine says, Although BMI does not distinguish between fat mass and fat free mass, a BMI over 30 is correlated with an increase in hypertension, coronary disease, and mortality. Compare two people, both have 10% body fat, same height, but one has 40 lbs more muscle, whose heart has to work harder? Of course if you are high on the BMI you want to have it be due to excess muscle and not fat, but BMI is not a bad health indicator.

The trick to losing weight is simple. Use more than you put in, you can do it through diet and or exercise, but both is the best way to go. Preferably you should be eating small amounts through out the day. Make sure you are not cutting essential nutrients out of your diet, and make sure you drink plenty of water if you are exercising regularly. One pound of fat ~3500 calories. There are online calculators that can estimate about how many calories your body burns a day but I don't know how much faith I would put in them. In order to reach your goal you would have to burn/cut nearly 2500 cal/day...

Here is an equation from the ACSM you can use to calculate how many calories you are burning running on a flat surface (over 5 mph and no incline):

calculate for --> VO2 = (Speed (meter/min) x .2) + 3.5

Once you find your VO2---> (VO2/1000) x (body weight in Kg) x (5) = how many Kcal you burn a min. Now multiply this by how many minutes your exercise is and BAM, you have how many calories you burned.

1 mph = 26.8 m/min

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Example - I weight 78 kg and I ran for 45 min. at 6 mph (160.8 m/min).

VO2 = (160.8 m/min x .2) + 3.5 = 35.66

(35.66/1000) x 78 x 5 = 13.9 Kcal/min x 45 min = 625 Kcal



Good luck and be safe.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:57 AM   #46
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If you need to lose 68lbs to meet required BMI then you are really really over weight, probably considered obese and not healthy at all. Consider this motivation to save your life. If you receive free health insurance then IMO they have every right to require you to be some what healthy. Heart related surgeries cost a lot of money. If you're paying for your own then I think they should allow you to live however you want.

Good luck.
Seriously? Check the average professional athlete, and you'll see that the offensive line that is "morbidly obese", can still run 40's that would embarrass most "healthy" people.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:13 AM   #47
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I feel like a lot of people are giving an opinion based on what they "think" to be true or hear.

I think most of use are basing it on personal experience. When I can run a sub 20min 5k and see my 6-pack, yet am still classified as overweight then I tend to view the BMI as a flawed, non-encompassing model.


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The trick to losing weight is simple. Use more than you put in.

100% agreed.

It seems the OP has a very good grasp on this...but for the rest of us it sometimes helps to view your body as a SYSTEM:

Draw a big circle in the middle of a sheet of paper. Label it with your name.

Draw one arrow going in and label it INTAKE.

Draw one arrow coming out the other side and label it EXPENDITURE.


It's really simple. One of three things will happen to this system.

1. Your caloric intake and expenditures will be roughly equal, and you will maintain your body weight.

INTAKE - EXPENDITURE = 0

2. You will expend more energy than you consume, yielding a negative caloric value for your body as a system...and thus lose weight.

INTAKE - EXPENDITURE < 0

3. You will consume more calories than you burn, and continue to bloat up...slowly killing yourself as you shame your family and become a burden on others, lowering your quality of life, and driving the marketing machine aimed at overweight people that gives us bigger cars, bigger meals, bigger everything...just because you're BIG.

INTAKE - EXPENDITURE > 0



It's so friggin' simple it hurts, but a lot of people have a problem realizing it, or choose to ignore the reality of it. Your actions each day directly affect your body and health.
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:00 AM   #48
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Stroke of genius, happening right now. BMI is a ratio of weight to height, right? So don't bother trying to lose weight -- that's too difficult and unpleasant. Instead, think about how you can add some height.

Can you have your height measured while fully dressed? How do you feel about conquistador boots? As an mt.net member, I'd be surprised if you don't already own a pair.
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Seriously? Check the average professional athlete, and you'll see that the offensive line that is "morbidly obese", can still run 40's that would embarrass most "healthy" people.
He's not a 6'5" 290 lb offensive lineman that is playing in a football game once a week and on the practice field the other 5-6 days. Also, you said OFFENSIVE lineman, I highly doubt there are more than a handful of them in teh NFL that can run in the 40's. Defensive lineman yes, but offense, no.

You can't compare a professional athlete to the average Joe.
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To be completely fair -- NFL lineman are incredibly athletic, but let's not confuse that with being healthy.

BMI is a terrible way to determine health, but there's no denying that carrying all that extra mass, muscle or otherwise, has detrimental health consequences.
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To be completely fair -- NFL lineman are incredibly athletic, but let's not confuse that with being healthy.

BMI is a terrible way to determine health, but there's no denying that carrying all that extra mass, muscle or otherwise, has detrimental health consequences.
Exactly, fast does not equal healthy.
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pick up skateboarding or martial arts and put down the fried chickens. Post a pic of yourself, we'll tell you if you're fat.
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but there's no denying that carrying all that extra mass, muscle or otherwise, has detrimental health consequences.
Look into the average lifespan of a lineman, it's a lot shorter than an average healthy person.

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A 1994 study of 7,000 former players by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health found linemen had a 52 percent greater risk of dying from heart disease than the general population. While U.S. life expectancy is 77.6 years, recent studies suggest the average for NFL players is 55, 52 for linemen.
Spicy food is supposed to supercharge the metabolism for a little while, may be a good trick to read more into.
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Interesting thread.

Just to start off, my BMI is 25.1, so i'm almost there. Based on the amount of fat still hanging around on my torso, i'd say that my BMI makes sense. If I lose another 5 pounds i'll be at 24.4, the upper end of healthy. If I lost 15lbs, i'd bet my gut would be gone almost completely. I definitely do not want super-low body fat. I like being warm in cold weather I dont want any more muscle either, i'm plenty strong. I lift heavy **** all at work, like 20-50lbs repeatedly.

My advice to you is to swim. I've never had the pounds melt off like when I was swimming laps 3 days a week, 30 mins a day. Oh wait, you're in the desert...probably no swimming pools.

Another way i've lost a lot of weight (recently actually) is working in colt temps. I'm a stocker at costco and worked in the freezer/cooler frequently and lost 20lbs in my first 6 months without changing my diet at all. Working in cold temps burns calories like crazy. Granted, I dont eat junk or fast food or drink soda, but I do enjoy 2-3 beers 5 nights a week or so. Oh wait, you're in the desert...probably no where to get cold for many hours at a time.

I lost 10lbs in a day during wrestling in high school once. Lots of running on the treadmill under a heat lamp and spitting. Still didn't make weight though =P
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I'm 5'10" and 165 lbs, which puts my BMI at 23.7...I could be in better shape, but when I work out, I don't really lose weight. My body fat % does go down, though.
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Back when I could run a 11 minute 2mile, a 4.5 in the 40m, the BMI said I needed to lose 25 lbs......

Thats terrible they would go by the BMI. Most West Point graduates would need to lose weight according to BMI.
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You can't compare people.
Edited to make my point.
My cousin was a college lineman, and 40'ed just fine at "don't want to meet him in a dark alley" size.

Not everyone is born with the genes for a 22 inch waist, and knees that curve out. Something Japanese people especially don't understand
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pick up skateboarding or martial arts and put down the fried chickens. Post a pic of yourself, we'll tell you if you're fat.
I am not fat, I am morbidly obese, there is no doubt, or debate needed. I have gained 80 LB since February 2006. I am not even going to complain about the BMI I have to reach, as I feel it is fair. They are not asking us to reach our “normal weight” (110-140 LB for me) just not morbidly obese. My only real bitch is the time frame they are allowing to come into compliance. Our upper management knew this was in the works, but chose not to share the information until it was too late for many people. I also feel the BMI system is a crock of ****, this one size fits all system just doesn’t work in the real world. It might be a good base line, but it should not be the final word. As far as pictures, I think I will hold off of those for now, with the exception of the one bellow.

In this picture i was 70 pounds above my “normal weight” by the BMI chart. I am currently 60+- pounds heaver then in this photo
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Just wondering, do you have a health problem which has caused this increase in weight gain?
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Just wondering, do you have a health problem which has caused this increase in weight gain?
Only if you consider stress a health problem.

I work in what most people would agree is an extremely high stress environment. I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for a company that rules by fear and intimidation. Daily they beat into us the numerous ways we can be fired, or disciplined e.g., if one of my subordinates were to fail to fill out there time sheet one day, both they, and I would receive 5 days off with out pay, or if one of my subordinates were to have a vehicle accident, they would likely be terminated, and I would receive 5 days off with out pay.
Working in these conditions has helped to foster a stress eating habit.
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