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12-31-2007, 11:57 AM
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Ok, so who thought it was poor sportsmanship for the mods over there to delete my "Would you buy a Chinese wife..." poll?
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12-31-2007, 12:20 PM
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I re-posted it, under the guise that "I assume a database error caused the poll to disappear."
Between this kind of **** and harassing the sponsors (well, one of them anyway) it's a miracle I haven't been banned yet.
Between this kind of **** and harassing the sponsors (well, one of them anyway) it's a miracle I haven't been banned yet.
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12-31-2007, 12:46 PM
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they don't read that subforum. i think the only one who does any moderating there is Gord, who is actually the loosest of the bunch. he was pretty funny in the fuji cams thread.
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12-31-2007, 02:59 PM
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I'm with Ben in that I was surprised it lasted or was even allowed to be posted. I found it to be a whitty comment on the mentality of the usual pollsters. But I can see that it was leaning toward the misogynist side of things.
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12-31-2007, 03:16 PM
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The reason why it lasted so long is Fujiracing is not a sponsor,Gary and his band of monkeys do not like people praising non sponsoring miata vendors that compete with the sponsors products.
It all boils down to Gary's wallet.
It all boils down to Gary's wallet.
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01-01-2008, 12:32 PM
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... and now Gary has capped the "GTR Numbers..." thread as follows:
(emphasis is mine)
And there you have it. Gary says that sponsors don't get special treatment, and therefore it must be so.
If anyone wants to debate facts, that's fine. You can say whatever you want about products, physics, theory, etc.
But when it starts getting to personal attacks, rude "humor", and inappropriate posts, that will get this locked, and may get offenders banned.
This has nothing to do with Tom being a sponsor. He's no different from anyone else here, and moderators are not locking things and deleting things to protect him. I have no beef with people debating sponsors or anyone else. If they choose to publicly post, they subject themselves to debate. But it must be done respectfully and without making it personal. Trust me - we've slapped down sponsors for crossing the line, too.
Don't let it happen here.
But when it starts getting to personal attacks, rude "humor", and inappropriate posts, that will get this locked, and may get offenders banned.
This has nothing to do with Tom being a sponsor. He's no different from anyone else here, and moderators are not locking things and deleting things to protect him. I have no beef with people debating sponsors or anyone else. If they choose to publicly post, they subject themselves to debate. But it must be done respectfully and without making it personal. Trust me - we've slapped down sponsors for crossing the line, too.
Don't let it happen here.
And there you have it. Gary says that sponsors don't get special treatment, and therefore it must be so.
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01-01-2008, 12:41 PM
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In fairness, Russian and Indian were two of the alternative choices in the poll I posted, and if you spend about 30 seconds with Google you'll see that there are plenty of sites "selling" Chinese brides as well.
Now, this business with Tom on the other hand genuinely does have me a bit ruffled. That jackass treats his sponsorship like a soapbox to spread lies and misinformation. And what's worse- I don't think he even realizes that much of what he is telling people is wrong. It's like he was absent the day they taught engineering in school, and yet still believes that he's the Second Coming of Corky.
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01-01-2008, 03:06 PM
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Now, this business with Tom on the other hand genuinely does have me a bit ruffled. That jackass treats his sponsorship like a soapbox to spread lies and misinformation. And what's worse- I don't think he even realizes that much of what he is telling people is wrong. It's like he was absent the day they taught engineering in school, and yet still believes that he's the Second Coming of Corky.
Tom has also professed to me that he would rather not have to deal with engine management at all. Frankly, I can't blame him, and if I sold FI hardware, I wouldn't want to either.
I have a friend who's a bleeding heart liberal. We're good friends, but he insists on preaching his sissy, tree huggin, simplistic, hippy, and quasi communist views to me everytime we speak. I've known him for like 7 years, and try as I might, I can't pound any sense into him. Arguing with him is kind of like winning the Special Olympics, so I leave it be.
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01-01-2008, 03:43 PM
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You stated that much more eloquently than I did- I'm a trifle frustrated, but more to the point I've been keeping a lot of these posts short since it's hard to type with a sleeping chihuahua on your left arm.
I don't doubt Tom's intelligence per se, at least not from a "drooling idiot" standpoint. He writes very lucidly and sports a comprehensive vocabulary. He is crafty and capable of deception, and chooses his words carefully.
However I think that he does everyone a disservice by using the "I'm a vendor" platform (with its accompanying air of credibility in the eyes of many) to espouse opinions that are clearly wrong (or at the very least sub-optimal) and then using obfuscation, misdirection, and fabricated data to support his opinions. Tom speaks with an air of authority on the subject of forced induction, yet I don't think he actually knows proper engine management from a hole in the ground- he's a toymaker, for crying out loud! (FFS is just a dba of Knack Toys, a maker of, well, toys.)
To me, this sort of behavior puts him in the same league as eBay vendors selling bilge fans to Honda owners.
By contrast, take FM. I think we're all pretty much of a similar opinion that they are a cult of personality whose products are a tad overpriced, but I wouldn't call Bill or Terry a liar- they're just very good at marketing. And I suspect that they actually do know a thing or two about cars to boot.
Tom, on the other hand, is a liar.
Clearly Tom is in the business of selling supercharger kits, and it is in his best interest to cause people to believe that his kits are preferable to everyone else's. I would be OK if he argued that his kits use electronics which are easier to install and require less knowledge to tune (true) but for him to claim that his choice of engine management is superior to (or even as good as) a real ECU (EMU, Xede, MS, Link, etc) and then make obviously false statements in support of this claim is tantamount to consumer fraud.
I'd really love to understand more about the relationship between Tom and Moss Motors. Those two seem to be in collusion, though I can't find any evidence of a formal business relationship between them.
I don't doubt Tom's intelligence per se, at least not from a "drooling idiot" standpoint. He writes very lucidly and sports a comprehensive vocabulary. He is crafty and capable of deception, and chooses his words carefully.
However I think that he does everyone a disservice by using the "I'm a vendor" platform (with its accompanying air of credibility in the eyes of many) to espouse opinions that are clearly wrong (or at the very least sub-optimal) and then using obfuscation, misdirection, and fabricated data to support his opinions. Tom speaks with an air of authority on the subject of forced induction, yet I don't think he actually knows proper engine management from a hole in the ground- he's a toymaker, for crying out loud! (FFS is just a dba of Knack Toys, a maker of, well, toys.)
To me, this sort of behavior puts him in the same league as eBay vendors selling bilge fans to Honda owners.
By contrast, take FM. I think we're all pretty much of a similar opinion that they are a cult of personality whose products are a tad overpriced, but I wouldn't call Bill or Terry a liar- they're just very good at marketing. And I suspect that they actually do know a thing or two about cars to boot.
Tom, on the other hand, is a liar.
Clearly Tom is in the business of selling supercharger kits, and it is in his best interest to cause people to believe that his kits are preferable to everyone else's. I would be OK if he argued that his kits use electronics which are easier to install and require less knowledge to tune (true) but for him to claim that his choice of engine management is superior to (or even as good as) a real ECU (EMU, Xede, MS, Link, etc) and then make obviously false statements in support of this claim is tantamount to consumer fraud.
I'd really love to understand more about the relationship between Tom and Moss Motors. Those two seem to be in collusion, though I can't find any evidence of a formal business relationship between them.
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