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Ok, so who thought it was poor sportsmanship for the mods over there to delete my "Would you buy a Chinese wife..." poll?

I was surprised it lasted as long as it did. Shows how loosely moderated the FI section is compared to the others.

I re-posted it, under the guise that "I assume a database error caused the poll to disappear."

Between this kind of shit and harassing the sponsors (well, one of them anyway) it's a miracle I haven't been banned yet.

I hate those fuckers ALOT!!!!!!!!!

too funny
i voted

I thought my post about them camping out with the mountain hippies and doing "unspeakable" things would have at least merited an edit. ;)

Mark

they don't read that subforum. i think the only one who does any moderating there is Gord, who is actually the loosest of the bunch. he was pretty funny in the fuji cams thread.

lol I must have missed it

I'm with Ben in that I was surprised it lasted or was even allowed to be posted. I found it to be a whitty comment on the mentality of the usual pollsters. But I can see that it was leaning toward the misogynist side of things.

The reason why it lasted so long is Fujiracing is not a sponsor,Gary and his band of monkeys do not like people praising non sponsoring miata vendors that compete with the sponsors products.

It all boils down to Gary's wallet.

so true. u can only mention a product. any comparison will lead to "go look at the marketplace"

FI upsets the balance of what mazda created.

lulz

Make another poll except this time ask "Would you buy a russian wife". Its not like you are lying, you really can buy a russian bride.

... and now Gary has capped the "GTR Numbers..." thread as follows:

(emphasis is mine)

And there you have it. Gary says that sponsors don't get special treatment, and therefore it must be so.

Nah, I'm done stirring that pot for now. Besides, it was a one-time gag inspired by Rich Wilkman's comment in the "Chinese trans gears" poll, and it served its purpose- you guys got a chuckle out of it. Any further attempts at muckraking are just going to get me banned, and then that's one less person to keep a watchful eye on Tom.

In fairness, Russian and Indian were two of the alternative choices in the poll I posted, and if you spend about 30 seconds with Google you'll see that there are plenty of sites "selling" Chinese brides as well.

Now, this business with Tom on the other hand genuinely does have me a bit ruffled. That jackass treats his sponsorship like a soapbox to spread lies and misinformation. And what's worse- I don't think he even realizes that much of what he is telling people is wrong. It's like he was absent the day they taught engineering in school, and yet still believes that he's the Second Coming of Corky.

Who is this Tom? Is this Tom@FFS?

Yes

Tom's a lot smarter than most people think. I strongly disagree with his views, and like you believe that he distributes bad information, but at the same time I believe that he believes what he says is correct. If you see it from his point of view, as a salesman and business owner, it is FAR from his best interest to "see the light" as it contradicts his business model.

Tom has also professed to me that he would rather not have to deal with engine management at all. Frankly, I can't blame him, and if I sold FI hardware, I wouldn't want to either.

I have a friend who's a bleeding heart liberal. We're good friends, but he insists on preaching his sissy, tree huggin, simplistic, hippy, and quasi communist views to me everytime we speak. I've known him for like 7 years, and try as I might, I can't pound any sense into him. Arguing with him is kind of like winning the Special Olympics, so I leave it be. ;)

You stated that much more eloquently than I did- I'm a trifle frustrated, but more to the point I've been keeping a lot of these posts short since it's hard to type with a sleeping chihuahua on your left arm. ;)

I don't doubt Tom's intelligence per se, at least not from a "drooling idiot" standpoint. He writes very lucidly and sports a comprehensive vocabulary. He is crafty and capable of deception, and chooses his words carefully.

However I think that he does everyone a disservice by using the "I'm a vendor" platform (with its accompanying air of credibility in the eyes of many) to espouse opinions that are clearly wrong (or at the very least sub-optimal) and then using obfuscation, misdirection, and fabricated data to support his opinions. Tom speaks with an air of authority on the subject of forced induction, yet I don't think he actually knows proper engine management from a hole in the ground- he's a toymaker, for crying out loud! (FFS is just a dba of Knack Toys, a maker of, well, toys.)

To me, this sort of behavior puts him in the same league as eBay vendors selling bilge fans to Honda owners.

By contrast, take FM. I think we're all pretty much of a similar opinion that they are a cult of personality whose products are a tad overpriced, but I wouldn't call Bill or Terry a liar- they're just very good at marketing. And I suspect that they actually do know a thing or two about cars to boot.

Tom, on the other hand, is a liar.

Clearly Tom is in the business of selling supercharger kits, and it is in his best interest to cause people to believe that his kits are preferable to everyone else's. I would be OK if he argued that his kits use electronics which are easier to install and require less knowledge to tune (true) but for him to claim that his choice of engine management is superior to (or even as good as) a real ECU (EMU, Xede, MS, Link, etc) and then make obviously false statements in support of this claim is tantamount to consumer fraud.

I'd really love to understand more about the relationship between Tom and Moss Motors. Those two seem to be in collusion, though I can't find any evidence of a formal business relationship between them.

You can always create another account :) If they ban your IP, there are tons of free proxy server web sites which make your IP untraceable ...

Tom's a special case he's been around for years and haven't changed one bit. At least he could've figured out how the Miata works during all that time, no such luck though ...

Very true

Btw, I don't know how many of you guys have been around, but "Tom's" kit is not much more beyond a copy of BRP's Coldside kit - BRP's kit which I have in my car. Brant (BRP) made that sharp edge box in the past because it was CNC and not cast and when he did his cast design copy of the manifold he didn't even bother spending on time optimizing its shape for better flow, etc.

Look at his cast manifold, look at the BRP CNC manifold, and look some other Eaton SC kits which include cast manifold and you'll see what I am talking about :)

Btw, he once had a standalone in his car (SDS). He failed miserably trying to tune it properly though. Ever since he is bad mouthing all standalones - if something doesn't work it is not his fault you know. Just like all those blown Coldsided engines - it was FM or someone else's fault... :rofl:

No surprise though - the guy can't figure out things like what's torque at the wheels and why a Dynojet shows same torque numbers on the print in different gear pulls, can you expect such person to figure out how a FPR or standalone work? :rofl:

The guy on the left:

http://www.knacktoys.com/Jane-Hull-1.gif

you can't be serious? That's not actually him right???

Not sure if he’s the one on the left, but he’s definitely in that picture. ;)

Here’s the fulltext of CARB EO D-617, covering his supercharger. Note that it is issued to Knack Toys LLC, with the “brand name” of FFS. http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-617.pdf

Here is the Knack Toys homepage: http://www.knacktoys.com

Here is a picture suggesting a relationship between KnackToys and the former BR Performance: http://www.knacktoys.com/BR-Performance/5.jpg

Here are the WhoIs entries concerning the registration of the FFS.com and KnackToys.com domain names: http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d...argers&tld=com
http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=knacktoys&tld=com
Note that Tom is the registrant of both, with the same address, phone, and email.

Here is an article written by Tom for the Museum of Yo-Yo history: http://www.theyoyomuseum.com/museum_...ction=yoyo_tom

Here is a bio inferring that Tom does not play well with others in the Yo-Yo scene any better than he does in the Miata scene: http://www.mitchells.com/wordpress/?p=41

Here is a muck-raking page contributed to by Tom, alleging that a home builder in Tucson “cheated” him out of more then $300,000: http://www.mymccrearyhomesucks.com/images/vde.html Be sure to read the whole thing- apparently Tom can’t even figure out how to properly file frivolous claims in the state of Arizona.


God, if I’m not careful I’m gonna end up being one of “those guys” who spends all his time digging up dirt to satisfy a grudge. :D

That's him

sorry, but I think FM's "corrected" dyno #'s are unethical.

sds sucks. However, I don't see how anyone can't tune EFI. Once I got Haltech installed on my vw, it was almost as straightforward as MS.

There's a local shop, who shall remain nameless, who's owner I respect in the shop and especially on the track who can't seem to believe my car runs on MS. Actually, pretty much every local I know can't believe my car runs as well as it does on stand alone EFI. I mean fuck, you'd have to be a moron to fuck up MSpnp. These locals can't seem to believe that MS is a better option than PC-pro.

Its going to be a slap in the face to a handful of people the first time make car makes it through a track day.

seriously? I mean...with a fucking yoyo?

jesus, I had a mental image of some younger type fat dude with a scraggly beard typing away furiously at the computer spouting shit about 5th injector intercooling and other worthless crap

yeah, I didn't expect Rip Taylor at the Grand ole Opry:
http://www.joeyvan.com/pictures/years/RipTaylor.jpg

That used to be Tom's primary business. He previously owned Playmaxx Inc., which makes yo-yos and accessories. Playmaxx was acquired by another company, and Tom retired. FFS is his current hobby.

Here's the Wiki on Playmaxx: http://yoyowiki.org/wiki/Playmaxx

Seems like his son was the driving force and he was the talking mouth ... :rofl:



:nuts:

So which one is the Yo-Yo,cause I see two of them.

So other then him touting his PC-Pro + 5th injector as the end all to fuel management. What else did he do to deserve this hate?

I remember when he came out onto the scene everyone was having kittens over his kits, honesty, and fast service.

haha, yeah thats before a bunch of his kits started failing and motors startes blowing up due to failure to provide adequate tuning support to his clients and just slapping another PcPro to the equation, lols

Anywhere you see a reference to "Fuel Injectors are not Intercoolers" is a personal rag on him, because he really does believe that his fifth injector setups qualify as intercooling. His kits are (allegedly, since there are a bunch of explanations for this) responsible for blowing several motors up, and I know at least one person in the CA Bay Area (eBoi on M.net) whose FFS car produces 30whp less than advertised. I've driven it. It's weak.

As far as his "honesty" goes, didn't he used to push a competing product as the new hot thing, and after his hookup with Moss he switched over to the MP62 as the new hot shit? Didn't Keith call him on this in the duck thread?

I just love seeing pictures of NB miatas with two PC-Pros hanging off the dash, wired by Tom himself. That's close to a $1000 investment for a POS solution.


There are also 5 more wires coming off a pc-pro than a basic MS, and the basic MS can do twice as much at half the cost :)

i hope its the AFRs or im gonna send him a WTF.

oh, and i love how im required to pay $500 for a pc-pro to get a CARB sticker. fuck that shit.

superchargers belong on higher displacement engines.

Actually, a positive-displacement supercharger is about the perfect torque-adder for a small-displacement engine.

It's just that aftermarket supercharger kits in the Miata world are all over the map in terms of engine management used.

Ah, sure.... whatever..... Then why did another FM thread get deleted over the weekend? Gary likes the bottom line.
Stephanie

Haha. You forget about the new ignition timing card - the new ultimate answer in the engine management world - the one Joe Perez argued about on m.net

Now people will have to shell a bunch of $$$ to end up with laughable solution like two PC-Pro plus ignition box hanging off the dash ... :rofl:

I suggested offering 4 ignition boxes kit, then they will have individual cylinder ignition trims (option which many standalones offer).

Can you imagine that? Someone with two PC-Pro and four ignition controllers hanging off the dash ... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don't understand why FM is the only sponsor that gets all this "special" treatment.

don't forget that it pulls time based upon rpm...lol.

$$$

I'm so tired of people jocking shit for no reason.

So thats where it came from. Damn though, all of this materialized in a years time is pretty ridiculous.

Got any links to these threads with blown engines and people crawling up his ass over his cooling methods?



Oh jesus. To think I almost bought one, good thing I didnt have the money. I spoke to him numerous times via PM and he was always a pretty cool, courteous and helpful guy. It saddens me to hear this, but hey I guess everyone turns eventually.

upon rpm is ok, but programmed to not do it over load too is :rofl:

i agree. at least he still provides tech support even though the kit i bought is used for 2gs :)

You are, of course, wrong. The failures were on the part of the owners or tuners to ask for assistance. If you take a BEGI kit, at 8psi. and bump it up to 13psi on Cal 91 oct. gas and fail to retard the timing it will eventually go POP! Is that the fault of BEGI? I am guilty of this scenario and take the blame happily because I'm not looking for a whipping boy. Got to give SAV props for using the phrase "alledgedly" because that is where the truth lies. Tell me Whaaam when the solution for an improperly tuned car was ever adding another Pc-pro to the existing kit? Be specific. Who's car?

I visit this forum everyday and I know that a bunch of members have fun ragging on other people. The stupidist Mnet post threads are an example, but in this case it is you who are posting unfounded stupid shit just to fit in with this group. I have no issue with Ben or Brain arguing EMU theory with Tom or Bill, but your "facts" are nonexistant. So let's leave out the guy who had his car tuned by "pros" at 13.8 AFR under boost, and the guy who slapped on an oversized pulley and went to the track without a dyno run or wideband, and me who you already know about. Which specific kits failed? And who else's motor failed? Once again, be specific.

this one is famous:

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....=8993#post8993

tom himself killed it after 148 lean dyno pulls with no ignition retard, then blamed the JDM motor iirc.


look how well the pc-pro works!

I have personally convinced two people who were seriously considering an FFS kit to give BEGi a call. One of them heard the words "fifth injector" and was done with FFS immediately.

Well are you surprised? Look at the fuel curve!

Btw, heres our M45 PC-Pro Powered miata:

http://www.jugrnot.com/miatadyno.jpg
Nice to see it doesn't start to adjust the fuel until 4000rpm. If the engine was running at full compression I'd be severely worried.

OK, 1 prototype kit (1st 1.6), and I agree that the timing was something that needed to be addressed. Now I'm waiting for Whaaam to tell us about the other "bunch".

Pat, you and I both know there were several FFS equipped motor failures last year.

You and I also both know that the dyno chart posted here shows a car running richer than 10:1. It's also public knowledge that this car took 150 pulls on a dyno to create this tune, where it was subject to 15 psi, no charge cooling, and no provision for timing control. Furthermore, it's public knowledge that this car rolled of the dyno with a failed motor.

How can you not see gross negligence on behalf of FFS and its chief officer?

Remember, the first failed motor was due to the BEGi AFPR. The second failed motor is due to uhm, yeah, huh, geez, it must have been a bad motor to start with :jerkit:

Sorry, I have to recant some of the previous post. I confused the dyno chart posted here with elphaba's chart on the FFS website. It's actually looks like the motor was underfueled at higher rpm, not overfueled. That's because the fueling system was beyond capacity.

I stand behind the rest of my post though.

For the most part I will stay out of the discussion on FFS, Pc-Pro. M-Net etc. However, I will give my experience.

IMO I spent too much money with BRP for my hotside and significantly more upgrading the ELF to a PC-Pro and other items. Overall things worked fine, but my SO was tired of me molesting her car. Consequently the whole works is being removed from her car and is being sold at less than half what I have into it with only 5k miles on the kit. The Pc-Pro worked fine for what it is and the dyno showed the fueling was fine. However, my research has shown (IMHO) there are better options for the money.

I was fortunate enough to pick up a '94 with Corky's MOAB for a fair price and will still have a SC car to play with. Currently the car has an AFPR in it and I do not want that for fueling anymore than I want to stick with the Pc-Pro. My plan for this car this spring is bigger injectors and a MegaSquirt. I now want as much power as can get for the $$$.

I feel the Pc-Pro is fine for those who want an easy solution and are not concerned about maximum power or value for the dollar. I simply no longer fall into that catagory.