M.net GORD rant
 

How did this guy become a Moderator. He is one of the biggest doo doo heads on there. Want an ass, he wrote


("flush" is not a factor in how the car handles - that's strictly an appearance thing.

Yes, spacers will affect handling - especially huge ones like 25mm. They'll change the scrub radius of the front suspension, and the motion ratios of both front and rear, thus changing the effective spring rates. Could be good, could be bad - the trick is knowing which! Flushness by itself certainly is not a measure. For superficial, shallow, people who don't understand suspension engineering, and who judge based on appearance over any performance impact, perhap it's a worthy goal... )


A guy with cut springs must know something that the rest of the world don't.
He is such the Suspension expert.:confused:

Sorry I am now done with my rant.

Weaksauce rant. Grow more hair on your testicles.

I was trying to be nice. I guess I need to get my testicles out of your girls mouth.

Is that better?

He's right about scrub radius being effected though. :shrug:

For superficial, shallow, people who don't understand suspension engineering, and who judge based on appearance over any performance impact, perhap it's a worthy goal... )

This is the part I have issue with. And alot of the other crap he posts.

boy, he would be kicked out of clubsportmax.net .......err........clubroadster.net..... with the swiftness if he posted that there. lol.

I heard there was some test that all m.net mods have to go through,I believe it was a test to see how good they can polish Gary's shift knob,and Gord past with excellent results(did not spill a drop).

ROTFL That was a great post.

It's funny how he tries to defend himself with technical talk on why he cut his stock springs.

Damn wine & cheese ricer.

Everybody loves Gord..... really.....

Dave,

There is a huge local miata run coming up this summer,I know for sure Gord attends this run every year,I might go just to see him and cut him down on his cut springs.

I want video of that.:bigtu:

Now he is over there insulting him self.

cut springs? really? wtf is that about

Who gives a flying fuck, Im all for ripping on people but jeeesus find somebody a little more boring...

he is one of the mods I hate the most, very elitist and condescending.

whatever

Heh, I agree with what he said. :p

Cut spings aren't necessarily bad. Depends on how you cut them and how much you cut off. Shortening the spring does in fact increase spring rate and it lowers the car.

The problem is that it isn't a very accurate way of doing things, I guess you could get the spring rate tested.

Anyway, he's a tool (Canadian to boot) but there are so many more valid and funny ways than cut stock springs to illustrate that.

Try again.

It would only increase the spring rate if it was a progressive spring, not if its linear. That said, I dont know what the miata is stock. Probably progressive just to spite me.

that's not much of a rant.

I believe they are linear based on the fact all the numbers I've seen have only a single value. And cutting springs is almost always a bad thing to do, there are a few exceptions but I doubt his car is one of them.

Any cut spring will be stiffer than what it was before it was cut, progressive, linear, doesn't matter. Fact is, when you remove a coil you remove length from the spring, which makes it stiffer.

Not suprised.
-Michael-

you sure about that?

Well, as long as you remove it from the correct end if they aren't symmetrical.

Yes, think of a spring uncoiled, a solid rod, If you grab it on the ends and try to bend it it's easy. If you then chop off two inches on either side and then grab it on the ends and try to bend it it's much harder.

Not sure what you mean by "how did this guy become moderator". Yah, he's a moderator on a heavily moderated forum but it's not like he passed some kind of certification or job interview to get that title.

Getting information off internet forums requires skill in extracting the real content from the bullshit and missinformation. That's expected regardless of who posted it (moderator or otherwise).

I like Gord, he's Canadian.

Much...welcome :)

one of my post got edited in a "what don't you like about your na, and be honest" thread, I wrote "not enough room to have sex unless your flexible ;)"

and that got deleted with "lets no go there"

ah well...didn't really bother me, but since somebody was ranting hehe.

I've never had a problem w/ Gord?

I think you're wrong. The spring constant (stiffness) is still the same as before, you just have less distance to travel before hitting the bump stop. Think of it this way... I have a spring that takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch. Now then, I cut 2 inches off the end without changing anything else about the spring. Now I have a spring which still takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch, it's just shorter. The only way to change the spring rate is by changing the metallurgy, the coil diameter, etc.... not the length.

Sorry guys, but the spring constanst of a helicoil DOES in fact relate to the number of coils. More specifically, to the number of active coils. If you need something to play with to convince yourselves:

http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm

But you can check any mechanics book past a kindergarten level.

Nope. Making a spring shorter increases the stiffness.

Imagine you unwound a coilspring and stuck one end in a vise. You apply a given force (say, 200lbs.) to the end of it (let's say it's 4 feet long unwound) and it deflects one inch. You have a 200 lb. spring.

Now, chop a foot off of it. Now it takes more than 200 lbs. to deflect that same spring one inch. You've made the spring stiffer.

Positive.

That's actually a really good explanation. Took me nearly 2 paragraphs to explain what you did in 2 sentences. :sadwavey:

Are you guys really having a "cut springs" arguement? For Pete's sake, we're better than that over here. Now knock it off and stick to Gord bashing.

And the problem is what? Learning is good!

It did start to take on the air of .net. Please accept our most sincere apologies.

When did posting correct information go out of style?

It's not the discussion itself...it's the method of bickering.

Ah that's what happens when people can't even entertain the idea that they might be wrong.

Hehe... turn about is fair play. I believe you were the one I pulled the textbooks manuever on last week. You win, I was wrong. Live and learn I guess.:bowdown:

Hmmm...care to refresh my memory about last week? I don't recall.

I don't remember... something about contradictions. I left the thread early because their were too many people argueing about stupid shit... I think it was the FM intercooler pipe thread that got way off topic.

Ha, wasn't me. I was steering WAY away from that one :bigtu:

Does anybody HERE seriously give even the slightest bit of shit about cut springs. I just did a search and it's never ever ever ever ever come up in a thread.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid fucking cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.

Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.

Consider the Samnavy irritate button pushed.

People can we please stay on topic,Thank you.

Gord is a dick head and needs to be bitch slapped.

May the excrement of hermaphrodites dribble down his chin for eternity.

Yep at least how i was taught about linear springs

Even a linear, non-coil spring's stiffness is dependent on length. Think of the simplified elastic stiffness of a prismatic, isotropic, homogeneous bar: k=EA/L. Hmm...I wonder if L matters?

God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the fuck up.

This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's fucking weak.

Cut springs, by the way, DO increase spring rate. 200lbs of force on a 10 coil spring compresses it 1 inch, or 200lb/in. Each coil compresses 1/10". Cut 5 coils off, and drop the same 200lbs on the spring, and it compresses 5/10s of an inch, with each coil compressing 1/10". Effective spring rate is now 400lb/in.

Are you kidding me? Waste of bandwidth? You are one to talk my friend, you have some of the longest most boring inane posts I've EVER read.

I'd venture to say that cut stock springs are no better or worse than the eibach, racing beat or H&R garbage a lot of people have installed on their car ... if done properly. Slamming you car by taking a torch to you spring and cutting out an inch worth of coil is indeed retarded. But carefully cutting a single coil or so out with out loosing the temper or changing the properties of the spring is a valid way to go. Depending what one's goals are.

Start hanging around people that drive cars that are old and who have been autocrossing for a long time. Many of these cars didn't off the shelf options for springs and people had to make due.

Now would I do it? No, I beleive in spending money to save time and headaches (how are those junkyard turbos working out for you?). But I'm not going to say someone knows nothing about suspensions because he has done this. Like I said, Gord is a tool but not for this reason. Because he drives a BRG with yellow paint all over it.

I'm done with the subject.

Can we be anti-Gary?

Better put on your boots!

Hey guys Chill the fuck out
 

WTF Ok so M.net has alot of wine and cheesers and closed minded people fine but please guys dont Bring it here we all get along fairly well, here.
Jayc WTF Sam does some good detailed writeups that explaine valid points to new commers of all sorts. Are you gonna say Braineack or i are a waste of Bandwith to or Pherhaps olderguy or Phillip. We are all here trying to learn While i would not personally go with a junk yard turbo on my miata. that does not make it wrong or stupid to do it. I have horrible luck with junk yards around here and distrust ebay so i bought new shit + i figured i could use it as an example for a DIY with no welding or extra tools and Viola it worked how bout that. Jayc Grow up man. Gord has pissed me off to but still. The guy is entitled to vent, he would do it on M.net but then nobody would ge tto read it as it would get deleted. Sam i feel for ya but hey its just the internet. Now everybody please just take a step back and chill. KTB

Sorta like running high fuel pressure, stock injectors, and a hackneyed crappy DSM T25? :confused:

Cutting springs is just as legit of a suspension modification as using archaic means of increasing fuel for boost is. Neither is the best way to do it but both are money saving and effective if done properly.

Cutting springs is a DIY mod that seems absolutely valid to this forum.

Who gives a shit about a mod at M.net is my question.

Frank

[QUOTE=Savington;77605]God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the fuck up.

This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's fucking weak.

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Grow the fuck up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an ASS to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION. :bigtu:

[QUOTE=RICHARDCRANIUM;77639]True and i agree with it, as do alot of others.

hey does anyone have a mod to help me get this in my trunk?
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...655_walker.jpg

Thanks! :cool:

wow. this is some thread. it's like a train wreck... only I want to drive a train into it.

cut springs: increase rate. the "long bar" vs. "short bar" analogy is correct. it's just that the increase in rate rarely offsets the shorter height which equals the Gord hoopty effect.

who ever thought the rest of the thread would turn from gord bashing into a pissing, name-calling contest though. damn.