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Arkmage 01-31-2007 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by Atlanta93LE (Post 77439)
Sorry guys, but the spring constanst of a helicoil DOES in fact relate to the number of coils. More specifically, to the number of active coils. If you need something to play with to convince yourselves:

http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm

But you can check any mechanics book past a kindergarten level.

Hehe... turn about is fair play. I believe you were the one I pulled the textbooks manuever on last week. You win, I was wrong. Live and learn I guess.:bowdown:

Atlanta93LE 01-31-2007 10:46 PM

Hmmm...care to refresh my memory about last week? I don't recall.

Arkmage 01-31-2007 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by Atlanta93LE (Post 77549)
Hmmm...care to refresh my memory about last week? I don't recall.

I don't remember... something about contradictions. I left the thread early because their were too many people argueing about stupid shit... I think it was the FM intercooler pipe thread that got way off topic.

Atlanta93LE 01-31-2007 10:49 PM

Ha, wasn't me. I was steering WAY away from that one :bigtu:

samnavy 01-31-2007 11:00 PM

Does anybody HERE seriously give even the slightest bit of shit about cut springs. I just did a search and it's never ever ever ever ever come up in a thread.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid fucking cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.

Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.

Atlanta93LE 01-31-2007 11:11 PM

Consider the Samnavy irritate button pushed.

spike 01-31-2007 11:12 PM

People can we please stay on topic,Thank you.

Gord is a dick head and needs to be bitch slapped.

Atlanta93LE 01-31-2007 11:13 PM

May the excrement of hermaphrodites dribble down his chin for eternity.

Loki047 02-01-2007 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by Arkmage (Post 77432)
I think you're wrong. The spring constant (stiffness) is still the same as before, you just have less distance to travel before hitting the bump stop. Think of it this way... I have a spring that takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch. Now then, I cut 2 inches off the end without changing anything else about the spring. Now I have a spring which still takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch, it's just shorter. The only way to change the spring rate is by changing the metallurgy, the coil diameter, etc.... not the length.


Yep at least how i was taught about linear springs

Atlanta93LE 02-01-2007 12:21 AM

Even a linear, non-coil spring's stiffness is dependent on length. Think of the simplified elastic stiffness of a prismatic, isotropic, homogeneous bar: k=EA/L. Hmm...I wonder if L matters?

Savington 02-01-2007 12:33 AM


Originally Posted by RICHARDCRANIUM (Post 77281)
How did this guy become a Moderator. He is one of the biggest doo doo heads on there. Want an ass

God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the fuck up.

This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's fucking weak.

Cut springs, by the way, DO increase spring rate. 200lbs of force on a 10 coil spring compresses it 1 inch, or 200lb/in. Each coil compresses 1/10". Cut 5 coils off, and drop the same 200lbs on the spring, and it compresses 5/10s of an inch, with each coil compressing 1/10". Effective spring rate is now 400lb/in.

jayc72 02-01-2007 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by samnavy (Post 77557)
Does anybody HERE seriously give even the slightest bit of shit about cut springs. I just did a search and it's never ever ever ever ever come up in a thread.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid fucking cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.

Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.

Are you kidding me? Waste of bandwidth? You are one to talk my friend, you have some of the longest most boring inane posts I've EVER read.

I'd venture to say that cut stock springs are no better or worse than the eibach, racing beat or H&R garbage a lot of people have installed on their car ... if done properly. Slamming you car by taking a torch to you spring and cutting out an inch worth of coil is indeed retarded. But carefully cutting a single coil or so out with out loosing the temper or changing the properties of the spring is a valid way to go. Depending what one's goals are.

Start hanging around people that drive cars that are old and who have been autocrossing for a long time. Many of these cars didn't off the shelf options for springs and people had to make due.

Now would I do it? No, I beleive in spending money to save time and headaches (how are those junkyard turbos working out for you?). But I'm not going to say someone knows nothing about suspensions because he has done this. Like I said, Gord is a tool but not for this reason. Because he drives a BRG with yellow paint all over it.

I'm done with the subject.

Atlanta93LE 02-01-2007 12:39 AM

Can we be anti-Gary?

Better put on your boots!

magnamx-5 02-01-2007 08:26 AM

Hey guys Chill the fuck out
 
WTF Ok so M.net has alot of wine and cheesers and closed minded people fine but please guys dont Bring it here we all get along fairly well, here.
Jayc WTF Sam does some good detailed writeups that explaine valid points to new commers of all sorts. Are you gonna say Braineack or i are a waste of Bandwith to or Pherhaps olderguy or Phillip. We are all here trying to learn While i would not personally go with a junk yard turbo on my miata. that does not make it wrong or stupid to do it. I have horrible luck with junk yards around here and distrust ebay so i bought new shit + i figured i could use it as an example for a DIY with no welding or extra tools and Viola it worked how bout that. Jayc Grow up man. Gord has pissed me off to but still. The guy is entitled to vent, he would do it on M.net but then nobody would ge tto read it as it would get deleted. Sam i feel for ya but hey its just the internet. Now everybody please just take a step back and chill. KTB

fmowry 02-01-2007 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by samnavy (Post 77557)
Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.

Sorta like running high fuel pressure, stock injectors, and a hackneyed crappy DSM T25? :confused:

Cutting springs is just as legit of a suspension modification as using archaic means of increasing fuel for boost is. Neither is the best way to do it but both are money saving and effective if done properly.

Cutting springs is a DIY mod that seems absolutely valid to this forum.

Who gives a shit about a mod at M.net is my question.

Frank

RICHARDCRANIUM 02-01-2007 08:54 AM

[QUOTE=Savington;77605]God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the fuck up.

This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's fucking weak.

QUOTE]

Grow the fuck up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an ASS to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION. :bigtu:

magnamx-5 02-01-2007 08:55 AM

[QUOTE=RICHARDCRANIUM;77639]

Originally Posted by Savington (Post 77605)
God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the fuck up.

This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's fucking weak.

QUOTE]

Grow the fuck up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an ASS to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION. :bigtu:

True and i agree with it, as do alot of others.

hustler 02-01-2007 10:34 AM

hey does anyone have a mod to help me get this in my trunk?
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...655_walker.jpg

BenR 02-01-2007 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 77447)
That's actually a really good explanation. Took me nearly 2 paragraphs to explain what you did in 2 sentences. :sadwavey:



Thanks! :cool:

y8s 02-01-2007 11:19 AM

wow. this is some thread. it's like a train wreck... only I want to drive a train into it.

cut springs: increase rate. the "long bar" vs. "short bar" analogy is correct. it's just that the increase in rate rarely offsets the shorter height which equals the Gord hoopty effect.

who ever thought the rest of the thread would turn from gord bashing into a pissing, name-calling contest though. damn.


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