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Old 11-16-2010, 11:59 AM   #21
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bfads.net why wait to find out if there's anything good on black friday?
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Jesus don't run RAID 0 on anything you are about keeping. For the cost of drives do a RAID 1 setup. Data integrity is worth more than a small % of performance.
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for your choice in MoBo. A gigabyte S-series is what I am running, with intel p-35 chipset. I know, its old. But gigabytes are the ****, cheap, and I have never had a problem with one.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:35 PM   #24
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But what about 3.5 vs. 3.5? I'll take the 6 core. Preferably the 1090T for only $40 more. I find it insane that AMD can offer their top of the line processors for less than $250. Which is why I have always been an AMD guy. Intel might have better stuff, but for multiple times more cost, and only slightly better in performance. The 1090T apparently can run pretty hot and remain stable. So even with stock cooler, you can coax just under 4ghz out of it.
You sir, would take the slower processor, well they would probably perform similar but the 6 core would not be faster. Unless you are editing video as a profession there is no need for more than 2 cores really. At least not until that CPU is out dated. Software won't utilize the extra cores for a long time.


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So how can we make processors perform better if we cannot make them go faster? The answer, in principle, is "use parallelism". So we get to a world where we have 2, 4, 8, 64 cores in a single processor chip: in effect we have 2, 4, 8, 64 more or less independent processors. There may be more of them but they are running slower so they don't generate as much heat. Great for hardware manufactures, but not very good for users. Well it is probably good for high performance computing people and large server people since they have been playing the parallelism game for a number of years. But it is not good for end users. Why is this? Their applications are going to run slower because the processor running their application is running slower.

The software that most people use are web browsers, word processors and, possibly, spreadsheets. These software products have been implemented for execution on single processor systems. They may use multithreading, but underneath there is generally an assumption of a single processor and multitasking. If they can use the real parallelism on offer with multicore systems, it is probably by fluke and not by design. The point is that the software that used to run on single processors that got faster and faster is now running on multicore processors that are running slower.
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I would not bother with SSD on a desktop.
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I'd take a SSD with trim support over just about any other upgrade any day of the week. The HDD will always be the slowest part of your computer. An SSD is absolutely the most noticable upgrade for real time every day use.
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:12 PM   #27
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It's crazy how computer components shift in price day to day. For instance the really nice Antec case I had picked out at $65 a couple days ago is $90 today. $15 isn't much against $700, but $90 is a 40% increase over $65. The RAM I had picked out also went up by $10. Overall the same system is ~$50 more today than it was a couple days ago.

I bought some Kingston RAM today. $75 - $25 MIR. I know you should get your mobo nailed in before the RAM, but it should be good with anything I get.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104223

I was hoping to build this over the thanksgiving weekend, but I guess I'll hold off to see if there's anything cool over black friday. I'll keep watching daily specials though. Hopefully I'll get the items all ordered over the next 7-10 days.
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What makes you get AMD over Intel?
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The AMD stuff costs less and appears to perform comparably for my usage.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:35 AM   #30
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Newegg tends to change prices frequently. Sometimes it works in your favor and sometimes it does not.
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Got my power supply. $54 less $25 MIR.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:52 PM   #32
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You sir, would take the slower processor, well they would probably perform similar but the 6 core would not be faster. Unless you are editing video as a profession there is no need for more than 2 cores really. At least not until that CPU is out dated. Software won't utilize the extra cores for a long time.
Yes, but again, for the price, why not get the 6 core. When it comes to computers, I like to have the latest and greatest, even if it's a bit ahead of its time. I could find ways to utilize all 6 I'm sure. Not that I'm saying quad core is bad, I'm loving the hell out of my Phenom II 940. Run it overclocked at 3.5ghz on stock cooler, and does what I need it to do without question. My weak links really are the slightly outdated mobo and DDR2-800 memory. Even then, it's minor vs what today would cost 4x-6x as much for maybe 20% increase in performance, which would barely be noticeable by most.
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:49 PM   #33
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Get a 1TB Western Digital RE3 drive. You will pay a little more but it will last 2-3x longer and will be MUCH faster. Better yet - get 4 x 1TB and run a RAID 10 setup. That pretty much eliminates the need for your SSD too as it's going to be almost as fast and much more reliable.
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Pretty sure I won't be running $520 worth of hard drives in a $700 budget computer.
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Wow, good deal on an i7, but yeah doesn't give me the chance to do it myself.
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There isn't a lot to putting together a PC, no mystery or fun. I can understand if you are putting together a performance rig where you want to have very specific components in it. But on a budget build, what are you going to get out of putting the thing together yourself?

I guess I don't get it because I'm in the industry and HATE ******* about with my own computers. I personally own 2 applicance PC's that boot off of CF and access a Dlink NAS via NFS for my firewall and webserver. My wife has a new i5 MacBook Pro.

Have fun!
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:57 PM   #39
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Ditch the SSD. Doesn't Antec have a 300 case that well priced? Sounds like you don't need a large case.

I've been tinkering with building another box, but I just keep updating my old Dell 8300 for the fun of it. I'll eventually build an AMD based machine.
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Woot. Pulled the trigger on all the remaining components.

Went with a PhenomII 3 core CPU instead of the 4 core. Saved a good chunk of money, and I thought it would be fun to see if I could unlock the 4th core. If it does unlock, then I get X4 performance at half price. If it doesn't unlock, the CPU was still significantly less expensive. Also decided to pass on the SSD boot drive after continuing to read about them. Going to do a RAID setup instead, but will start with 1 drive first to make sure that everything's ok, then will install the rest.

Pretty excited about it. Should have everything to put it together next weekend.
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