My weekend at lemons gave me AIDS
My lemons weekend:
I'm never doing that shit again. This car was the scariest, most dangerous car I've ever driven. We would have known this if the first test day were not lost to a car that would not start because wire the ground into the kill switch, or if the second test day weren't lost because the brake lines were dry and they didn't know why. The next time I go W2W it will be in a kart and finally a car I build for PTE. I originally did this to get some W2W experience so I could drive with RHArris at their next Chump race. I knew these guys were idiots and should have bailed a long time ago, but I really wanted to get on track before running Chump with my buddies. Now, I am not really sure I want to do this whole "crap car endurance racing" thing. I want to drive cars that handle well and are safe. |
what kind of car?
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And how'd you get hooked up with such a shitty team? At least you bailed on them like you should have the day before...
Your name didn't get associated with them after they got punted? |
Originally Posted by pusha
(Post 933391)
what kind of car?
Originally Posted by GeneSplicer
(Post 933398)
And how'd you get hooked up with such a shitty team? At least you bailed on them like you should have the day before...
Your name didn't get associated with them after they got punted? The team is blacklisted, but I won't run with Lemons again considering they black-flag you for oversteering. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933401)
93 Cavalier
So thanks for that. It's become clear to me that in order to get experience, I have to build my own car. The team is blacklisted, but I won't run with Lemons again considering they black-flag you for oversteering. It sounds like you just got hooked up with a team who had no business being out there in the first place, and that has soured your outlook on what has got to be one of the funnest forms of wheel-2-wheel racing you can participate in. |
In my limited experience:
Lemons priorities: 1. Shinamagans 2. Themes 3. ???? 4. Racing Chump car: 1. Racing 2. Themes 3.???? 4. Shinanagans Your experience may vary, and like I said I have little experience but from what I've read I would not want to participate in lemons. Stick to chump. Lots if cars finish the race, proving there are good teams. You just have to find them. |
I think the real highlight of the weekend was watching the teammate's pure-bred (inbred) Boston Terriers shit on the floor in the house, then eat their own hot shit. I have cats for a reason.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 933405)
To be fair, they also crush your car with a bulldozer for being unpopular. By comparison, a black flag is a blow job. You missed out on the Penalty Circus, which so far as I can tell is the best part of a LeMons weekend.
It sounds like you just got hooked up with a team who had no business being out there in the first place, and that has soured your outlook on what has got to be one of the funnest forms of wheel-2-wheel racing you can participate in. I clearly did get hooked-up with a team that should not be on a track. However, in the half-lap I ran, I realized a couple things. I don't want to learn W2W racing in the rain, in a shit car, with other green drivers. I want to learn W2W racing in a good car, where I can put the car where I want it on track. I'm becoming a decently fast driver these days, confidence is up thanks to a little validation from Miatas @ Hallett this year, I know I can handle a car and I know I have good car control, but I don't want to wad-up someone's car because I'm inexperienced. With that said, I don't want anywhere near a racetrack for the next few months, I've had enough for a while. I felt so good and pumped after Hallett this year, now I don't want to do this hobby anymore. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 933409)
Lemons priorities:
1. Shinamagans 2. Themes 3. ???? 4. Racing I've never even been to a LeMons race, much less participated in one, but it sounds like a hoot for exactly the reasons you've described. Costumes, penalties, bribery, dancing, cross-dressers, and also a race. I've heard Team Fortress 2 described as a combat-themed interactive hat simulator. Might be. Still a lot of fun. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 933419)
Hahaha.
I've never even been to a LeMons race, much less participated in one, but it sounds like a hoot for exactly the reasons you've described. Costumes, penalties, bribery, dancing, cross-dressers, and also a race. I've heard Team Fortress 2 described as a combat-themed interactive hat simulator. Might be. Still a lot of fun. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933420)
It sucks because it's not about racing, it's about "being there".
Sounds like an absolute blast to me, but I can certainly see your point in that racing is clearly not the #1 priority. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933410)
I think the real highlight of the weekend was watching the teammate's pure-bred (inbred) Boston Terriers shit on the floor in the house, then eat their own hot shit. I have cats for a reason.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933410)
I think the real highlight of the weekend was watching the teammate's pure-bred (inbred) Boston Terriers shit on the floor in the house, then eat their own hot shit. I have cats for a reason.
Originally Posted by 99mx5
(Post 933422)
LOL! To hell with ankle-biter foo foo dogs. My parents have two of those shit-zoos and they suck.
I understand the "barrio tires" thing. Was the owner an old dude? My Dad is an old dude and he's a certified cheap-ass about tires and he puts the barrio specials on his Ranger. Unfortunately I borrow it from time to time. Me: Dad, there are cracks in the sidewalls! Dad: But look, they are almost full tread! These things'll go for years! Me: You know, there is more to tires than just how many miles you can get out of them Dad: Well, if you got your car aligned properly, you'd get 60k out of a set of tires, like me. Me: :facepalm: Plastic hard as shit tires is scary y0. It sounds like you did the right thing and got away from the Lemons guys. Lemons ≠ serious and it sounds like you want something a little more "real." From the description above, it sounds like Chump is where its at. You could always try to get into a Spec car :giggle: |
If an animal eats excrement, it's not good enough for me nor my carpet.
Spec Miata is for old men who want to fight among themselves and pre-teen rich boys on daddy's nickel. I'll take PTE with good suspension. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 933421)
Well, yeah. Kind of like Burning Man, but with fewer tits and poorer welding.
Sounds like an absolute blast to me, but I can certainly see your point in that racing is clearly not the #1 priority. A lemons race is actually not super cheap either. Yes the car may have been cheap but good wear items (which many teams do indeed pay for) plus safety = $$$$. Like burning man too. Burning man is actually very expensive. This year i spent about $3000. And yes a lot of bman fabrication is flat out godly. |
Yeah, I'd rather do this in a proper car rather than a shitbox.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933376)
The next time I go W2W it will be in a kart and finally a car I build for PTE. I originally did this to get some W2W experience so I could drive with RHArris at their next Chump race. I knew these guys were idiots and should have bailed a long time ago, but I really wanted to get on track before running Chump with my buddies. Now, I am not really sure I want to do this whole "crap car endurance racing" thing. I want to drive cars that handle well and are safe.
Don't base an opinions of this form of W2W on this previous weekend. Its experience/cost ratio is the best around by far. |
I agree with your main points. I'm sorry you got stuck with an awful team, dude.
I've done Lemons and Chump both now, and there are a LOT of Lemons teams that shouldn't be anywhere near a race track. I ran Lemons in a very well prepared car, and found it quite annoying that you would get black flagged for... exploring the limits is what I'll say. Chump we ran at Sebring (I was actually with Sixshooter), in a 914 with HORRIBLE ownership and so on. We ran with crappy tires and crappy brakes. We managed to finish and it was the most fun I've probably ever had. Yes, we were getting our doors blown off every lap, but we actually managed to run a pretty solid race. That car I didn't feel was very safe (the rear subframe actually came loose when I was on track), but I was ok with it because the rollcage was one of the best I've ever seen (made for SCCA racing, very well put together) so I figured when I went into the wall I'd probably be ok. I am now talking with a team that runs a very competitive Miata, and I think I'll feel much more at home. Its really down to the team. I think Crapcan racing is pretty awesome, as its pretty cheap W2W experiece. I can put up with the horrible management of Chumpcar (and it is really bad management) for that. I don't have the money to run a car in PTE, or SM yet, so this is a good starting point. Just my 2 cents based on the experiences I've had. I would suggest maybe finding a team with a honda, bmw or miata and trying it with them, you will probably like it a lot more, and there are always simple arrive and drive opportunities. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 933401)
93 Cavalier
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I'm giving this one more go with RHarris, but I'm pretty nervous about learning W2W on a competitive team. I hope I get out there and it's not too much for me.
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