It's ironic to hear such remarks from a Miata driver. I believe that many people share the same, or worse, feeling for our cars. The PT is a very practical car, and compliments my Miata nicely. It works like a mini-mini van, with the flip forward or removable back seats. But it is WAY more fun to drive than a real mini van.(I have one of those as well)

Agree to a point, it's kind of like the drivers of any car that's marketed as fast. Mustangs, Camaros, SRT4s, hell even MSMs to an extent. For my money I got a decently fun car with the capability to carry an infant and some luggage.

I am also torn on where I stand with cars now a days. The reason I own a Miata and believe that it's perfectly acceptable for a Miata to go really fast is this: it's light, it's RWD, it handle's pretty good right outta the car lot, it's a convertable, and it has the only amount of seats needed, two. If you think about it, it's pretty much a scaled down corvette, independent rear and all.
I understand if a Neon SRT-4 beats me in the quarter mile, then that's the way it goes. I just refuse to soup up a car that is FWD, has 4 doors, and has back seats. That car is designed to take the kids to soccer practice and stop at the grocery store on the way home. When I put my turbo on the car, I realized something. The Miata was designed from the factory to be modded and take the abuse. If it was designed to haul 4 people around at a time, and have enough trunk space for 3 shopping carts; then it would also weigh over 3400lbs. So Miata living up to the gay stereotype? I say no. The blinded world needs to realize the purpose of design, and especially HP to weight ratios. When a 1.8 liter stock internal 4 cylinder engine with a small turbo can run with cars with 3 times the motor (LS-1's, Ford Modular's, HEMI's)...that's saying something.

A buddy here at work had a Stage 3(?) SRT-4 that was pretty nice. He's a cool guy and a good driver, and someone hit him pretty hard in it. He said he really liked it, but is looking at Subarus right now....so who knows, must have tired of FWD as well. He used to have a beater Mustang, which supports the theory.

At the time I was still in an Integra that was almost as fast as you could get without going turbo (man how I wish I had). He would walk on me like I walk on stock Neons. I have yet to run into in one in turbo Miata, but it's strange how such an unassuming commuter/rental car can strike fear in your heart.

interesting manifold, different from VW's stuffs.

All you queers getting run over by Neons need to turn of the boost and make some test for the first time in your life.

Sounds like I need moar boooooost (or tuning) but that I shouldn't feel too bad about not walking on him.

That's right Hustler, there's no reason we should be getting beaten by a car like that. This dude at work has a Lancer EVO8, funny thing is, he gets dissed more than me.

Listen junior....I'm sorry I walked away from your mom...she was a fantastic lay, but as soon as you were born I had to leave. It was that or throw you against the mountainside in the tradition of my spartan ancestors. I know you're feeling some teenage angst from never having a real male role model, and I understand you have just discovered this amazing thing called the internet where you can act like you are half the man your father is, but if you type to me like that one more fucking time....I will do to you what I should have done on day one of your pathetic excuse for a life.


*My turbo isn't as big as yours, and I can't turn it up anymore. I'm envious, kinda like that night we went to the 'Stros game at Minute Maid Park and I accidentally looked over a stall when we hit the head.

lmao ^^
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The Pt mani is pretty neat. I like the SRT-4s but I've noticed it has a pretty bad rep. Id say it easily worse then what the Miata has. Wouldnt mind having one of the turbo PTs for a fun daily.

I put about 3 bus lengths on a "400hp" SRT4 in my bone stock Mazdaspeed6 from a 0 - 140mph run... :hustler:

Most fucktards who drive those are bigger douche sticks than the turbo honda tardos... Basically what I'm saying is I don't believe a shitting thing anybody says in reference to the power output of their turbo car until I see it... :facepalm:

He tried to get me to buy it first, told me it "walks Z28 camaros all day long.." :bowrofl: Maybe if every "Z28 Camaro" hes raced was a broke ass V6 with incorrect badging..

Yeah, "I walked Z28's all day long" doesn't mean shit. My car with a voo-doo box on 7psi spanked a lot of Z28's. Of course they were the 93-97 LT-1 cars in stock, or close to stock form, so you gotta be specific about what kind of Z28. Some people also say "I walked that guy on a roll." Wtf is that shit? A roll doesn't count. It's a dead stop line up, and it's over at the 1/4 mile mark. What don't people understand.
The guy who says "I beat a Z28" is nothing compared to the guy who can say "I beat Z06's all day long" and has time slips or video proof to back it up.

There's a lot of us out here that do roll racing.

Roll racing makes sense as a power comparison so you dont have to factor in traction issues coming off the line. There is nothing wrong with roll racing. Passing power is one of the reasons I turbo'd my miata :)

I dont understand why you think its such BS, thirdgen.

Especially if you have a 1.6l rear end. I'm too affraid to launch.

There is nothing wrong with roll racing. It takes away any advantages/disadvantages that might allow a weaker car to beat a stronger car such as: driver, traction, etc. Also there are cars out there that are very fast that would just spin the tires off the line unless they were on slicks. Many weaker awd cars would beat yours if the race was from a standing start and end at the quarter mile marker. Cars that you would otherwise beat.

+1 for rolling starts. To me it's more comparable to real racing...you end up dead nose next to someone coming out of a turn, and have to be them to the next apex.

My city installed pro trees at every stop light because the city counsel thinks roll racing is bullshit.

My city mandated that all horns must beep thrice when depressed because the city counsel thinks drag racing is bullshit.

I still think roll racing is bullshit. Example: This guy I know has a Saab 9-3 turbo and he thinks his car is the fastest car around. He got beaten by this dude he worked with who was driving a '95 Trans AM. He claimed that he lost because they started from a dead stop and said, "if we woulda raced from a roll I woulda won." He got beaten by over 8 car lengths, there's no way he would EVER win. Then he refused to talk to me for like 2 weeks when I told him that he needs to realize his Saab is slow, and even if they raced from a roll (which would only be to eliminate HIS excuses) then he'd still lose. Then what would his excuse be?
Moral is, roll racing is for excuses. I make them too. I still have the stock clutch in my car, so when I leave the line I can't leave hard, cause my clutch will slip the rest of the race. So I leave nice and easy, and then jump on it. This launching technique KILLS my 60' time, which translates to shitty 1/4 time. There are cars I have the power to beat, but there are issues with my car that cause me to turn down certain races. So what am I supposed to do, race from a roll? F that. How about I put a clutch in my car and get it set up correctly. When you eliminate excuses, victory has a genuine meaning.