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Old 06-18-2009, 04:42 PM   #41
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I still think roll racing is bullshit. Example: This guy I know has a Saab 9-3 turbo and he thinks his car is the fastest car around. He got beaten by this dude he worked with who was driving a '95 Trans AM. He claimed that he lost because they started from a dead stop and said, "if we woulda raced from a roll I woulda won." He got beaten by over 8 car lengths, there's no way he would EVER win. Then he refused to talk to me for like 2 weeks when I told him that he needs to realize his Saab is slow, and even if they raced from a roll (which would only be to eliminate HIS excuses) then he'd still lose. Then what would his excuse be?
Moral is, roll racing is for excuses. I make them too. I still have the stock clutch in my car, so when I leave the line I can't leave hard, cause my clutch will slip the rest of the race. So I leave nice and easy, and then jump on it. This launching technique KILLS my 60' time, which translates to shitty 1/4 time. There are cars I have the power to beat, but there are issues with my car that cause me to turn down certain races. So what am I supposed to do, race from a roll? F that. How about I put a clutch in my car and get it set up correctly. When you eliminate excuses, victory has a genuine meaning.
The point is that its a measure of comparison on power/weight/acceleration levels. You'll get whooped on by N/A civics on slicks but that doesn't mean they're necessarily faster or more powerful in any situation other than the drag strip. How often in real world driving do we launch from a light for a measured quarter mile?
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I understand real world driving, but I guess I am trying to say that the comparison of performance to me isn't who pulls away faster at 65mph. I prefer to show a time slip or a dyno sheet. Just a matter of opinion. As you may or may not know, my car dyno'd at 210rwhp and I never had a timeslip better than a 14.4. Those numbers SUCK ***. I raced a 2006 Mustang GT like 3 weeks ago, rolling from 2nd gear, and I beat him by several car lengths. If we woulda raced from a dead stop, I'm pretty certain I woulda lost. Point is, if I want to do any kind of racing, I should win no matter how the race is goin down, stop or roll. Wayne, I noticed you are running the same turbo as me and also an MS-1 v.3, what kind of boost are you running / did you ever dyno?
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Try and think of roll racing as just another form of racing because that's all it really is.
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I understand real world driving, but I guess I am trying to say that the comparison of performance to me isn't who pulls away faster at 65mph. I prefer to show a time slip or a dyno sheet. Just a matter of opinion. As you may or may not know, my car dyno'd at 210rwhp and I never had a timeslip better than a 14.4. Those numbers SUCK ***. I raced a 2006 Mustang GT like 3 weeks ago, rolling from 2nd gear, and I beat him by several car lengths. If we woulda raced from a dead stop, I'm pretty certain I woulda lost. Point is, if I want to do any kind of racing, I should win no matter how the race is goin down, stop or roll. Wayne, I noticed you are running the same turbo as me and also an MS-1 v.3, what kind of boost are you running / did you ever dyno?
Haven't dyno'd yet. Running the stock MSPNP spark map so i'm not expecting big numbers. Running 12psi, stock exhaust.
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my buddy had a stage 3 SRT-4, did about 325 on the dyno iirc. I hated that car with a passion. From the line it was literally worthless. From a roll it would scoot, but torque steered like crazy. He wasn't even to sad when he had to sell it.
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All you queers getting run over by Neons need to turn of the boost and make some test for the first time in your life.
There is always gonna be a faster car. There was a 700+whp SRT4 around here, built by AMS. I bet that Neon would hand your your ***.
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Yeah, "I walked Z28's all day long" doesn't mean ****. My car with a voo-doo box on 7psi spanked a lot of Z28's. Of course they were the 93-97 LT-1 cars in stock, or close to stock form, so you gotta be specific about what kind of Z28. Some people also say "I walked that guy on a roll." Wtf is that ****? A roll doesn't count. It's a dead stop line up, and it's over at the 1/4 mile mark. What don't people understand.
The guy who says "I beat a Z28" is nothing compared to the guy who can say "I beat Z06's all day long" and has time slips or video proof to back it up.
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Especially if you have a 1.6l rear end. I'm too affraid to launch.
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There is nothing wrong with roll racing. It takes away any advantages/disadvantages that might allow a weaker car to beat a stronger car such as: driver, traction, etc. Also there are cars out there that are very fast that would just spin the tires off the line unless they were on slicks. Many weaker awd cars would beat yours if the race was from a standing start and end at the quarter mile marker. Cars that you would otherwise beat.
Good luck beating even a slow AWD car in the 1/8th mile. My friend with the WRX killed me from a dig....by at least 10 cars, but from a roll, we were dead even.
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I still think roll racing is bullshit. Example: This guy I know has a Saab 9-3 turbo and he thinks his car is the fastest car around. He got beaten by this dude he worked with who was driving a '95 Trans AM. He claimed that he lost because they started from a dead stop and said, "if we woulda raced from a roll I woulda won." He got beaten by over 8 car lengths, there's no way he would EVER win. Then he refused to talk to me for like 2 weeks when I told him that he needs to realize his Saab is slow, and even if they raced from a roll (which would only be to eliminate HIS excuses) then he'd still lose. Then what would his excuse be?
Moral is, roll racing is for excuses. I make them too. I still have the stock clutch in my car, so when I leave the line I can't leave hard, cause my clutch will slip the rest of the race. So I leave nice and easy, and then jump on it. This launching technique KILLS my 60' time, which translates to shitty 1/4 time. There are cars I have the power to beat, but there are issues with my car that cause me to turn down certain races. So what am I supposed to do, race from a roll? F that. How about I put a clutch in my car and get it set up correctly. When you eliminate excuses, victory has a genuine meaning.
Getting a good launch can make your car seem faster than it really is. It takes alot of power to offset a shitty launch.

From a roll, you don't have to argue over who was running street tires, and who is running DRs. Or who has 205s vs 275s, etc. I'm doing as much as I can to get the power down on my car, but I'm not buying R-compounds that only last 2k-3k miles. I'm running 245 Eagle F1s, but even 2d is hard to keep from just spinning. I am sure alot has to do with the fact that it's got a road race suspension setup, not a drag (soft) setup. I have played with my wife a few times, and she has a 200whp Beetle, and from a dig she holds me till about 40, and then I am past her like she is sitting still. She can go WOT and get a tad bit of wheel spin, but I have to barely gas it or I'll just spin. I get on it after I get into 2d, even then, I'm not WOT, but I still fly past her easily. 3d gear, traction, and I yanked a C5 Z06 like it was nothing when I was tuning it (WOT 3d pulls), and he had a 2 car head start.

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I understand real world driving, but I guess I am trying to say that the comparison of performance to me isn't who pulls away faster at 65mph. I prefer to show a time slip or a dyno sheet. Just a matter of opinion. As you may or may not know, my car dyno'd at 210rwhp and I never had a timeslip better than a 14.4. Those numbers SUCK ***. I raced a 2006 Mustang GT like 3 weeks ago, rolling from 2nd gear, and I beat him by several car lengths. If we woulda raced from a dead stop, I'm pretty certain I woulda lost. Point is, if I want to do any kind of racing, I should win no matter how the race is goin down, stop or roll. Wayne, I noticed you are running the same turbo as me and also an MS-1 v.3, what kind of boost are you running / did you ever dyno?
Most rolls are closer to 40. Only Hondas/FWD go from a 60+.
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Try and think of roll racing as just another form of racing because that's all it really is.
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Just like some people think that 1/4 mi times matter. Who the **** cares. Those ******* wouldn't be close to me on a road course.

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