xwade01

Okay guys, as the title states i'm pretty much new here. Just signed up not more than an hour ago. But anyways.. my name is Wade and I own a 90 Honda Accord. I'm over at cb7tuner.com w/ over 1000 posts.

Pretty much i've been looking around and searching through this site for about an hour. So far i've picked up a pretty good load of info i'm kind of looking for. I've been looking at some Miata's lately and I think i'm going to get one soon. Like a 92+ but i'll pry end up getting the 1.6 model, if not i'll get lucky and pick up the 1.8 model. Well anyways i've been looking on ebay and a lot of other sites about parts, and turbo's and etc... and I just have a couple of questions I need cleared up. I searched but I just want to be SURE of what I need to know.

Okay well about stock internals.. I read that you can easily make over 200rwhp using a failry good turbo set-up w/ a T25/T28 w/ about 10-15psi. Well my questions are really simple to you guys, but I have access to a T3 off of a Tbird or a DSM 14b and I would be doing a custom turbo set-up w/ most of the stuff I can get ahold of. So here I go, and remember I just need to get this clarified so I can be SURE. Oh and can you chip these ECU's???

1. How much boost on stock internals (T3/14b)
2. How big of injectors
3. How good of a tune (Rated 10-15psi)
4. Whats best supporting mods for turbo
5. Oh yeah and is it possible for a 1.8l headswap? (EDIT)


Well theres 4 ?'s for you guys. I will have more in the long run, but I just need those answered for now. Thank you all for whoever replies, and I appreciate any information. And hopefully I don't get flamed too bad. Later!

Jefe

iTrader: (7)

[I]1. Okay well about stock internals.. I read that you can easily make over 200rwhp using a failry good turbo set-up w/ a T25/T28 w/ about 10-15psi.

10-12Psi Should get you there.

2. T3 off of a Tbird or a DSM 14b and I would be doing a custom turbo set-up w/ most of the stuff I can get ahold of.

The T3 off a T'bird is usually a .60/.48-- very desirable in the 1.6L-2.2L crowd...

3. Oh and can you chip these ECU's???
Only Vortech can that I know of...


4. How much boost on stock internals (T3/14b)
T3-10-12psi?
14b- 14psi things start to break after 250RWHP, its not the psi, as much as the CFM's yaadaa, yaadaa...

5. How big of injectors
ON the stock ecu, 1.6L people usually swap in 1.8L injectors(230CC). If you go with an EM or standalone then that will depend 305cc- 450cc


6. How good of a tune (Rated 10-15psi)
Dyno?
street tune w/ a WBO2?
The better the tune, the more HP, closer to the threshhold...


7. Whats best supporting mods for turbo
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
Differential
Clutch
I/C


8. Oh yeah and is it possible for a 1.8l headswap?

No, but you can swap the 1.8L into the 1.6L and use the 1.6L harness and ECU

Well theres 4 ?'s for you guys.
I counted 8 but I pretty hungover....

xwade01

Alright, sweet. Thanks for the info, it is very helpful. I really appreciate it. Just couple question's.

1. When you said the differential, do you mean getting LSD, or what?
2. Street tune w/ a WB02 how much boost, and power could I be looking at that would be safe?
3. Using just the street tune would it be okay to just use the 1.8l injectors or would i have to go bigger for like 10-12psi on the T3?

getsidewaysd1

The 1.6 diff is a POS and will break right after you boost it (if you drive hard of course). Upgrade to a Torsen 1.8 lsd and you'll be straight.

What are you talking about? You just took an answer from a previous question and once again made it into a question. I mean he just told you if you going with a 14b, stick to around 14psi. Or are you askin how much boost can you boost with a WB02. Well, and wide band 02 measures your air fuel ratio so I'm not shure if you can even ask that question.

As for your third question, it all depends on your set up. If you run some sort of a piggyback ecu or stand alone, no you wouldn't want to run the 1.8 injectors. Now, if you were to run with lets say what, bipes, upgraded fuel system, and a bigger afm, then yes, from what I understand you can just run the 1.8 injectors. But if you have money, just get a new ecu because
"chipping the ecu" is for ricers.

xwade01

Alright well I was looking to just stay on like the "budget turbo" side as of right now. I would be using a T3, FMIC, TMANI, Clutch, upgraded FP, get a custom downpipe, make a custom exhaust, and just plan on running about 10ish psi. Now for this set-up i'd like to run just the stock ECU for now, and then I would use those 1.8 injectors. I could get access to all of the turbo stuff pretty easy, and custom piping and etc, so thats not a problem. I'll upgrade the diff. later on, and I wouldn't be driving this beast hard, just you know.. baby it?

Do you see anything terribly wrong there, if so help me out.

kung fu jesus

iTrader: (1)

you need to start searching around. there are hundreds of permutations on this site. one item i've noticed you have missing is a timing controller.

if you run the stock ecu, you need an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (AFPR), 1.8l injectors, larger fuel pump, and a timing controller like the Bipes unit. depending on the i/c, that setup could be run upto 10 psi.

if you use an e*manage, you can use a bit larger injectors. i recommend an o2 clamp, bruce's autotune, and maybe an AFPR.

if you run a Link, Hydra, MS, TEC, etc, you have a bit more wrapped into the cost but you have a ton more features and saftey.

i run a Link Ecu with 550cc rx-7 injectors (no the stock ecu cannot technically run them) and a walbro 190 hi-pressure in-tank pump.

other items like tuning, larger downpipe, exhaust, etc will add to the power.

xwade01

Thanks for the information man. That was some help. I was reading up on Bipes and it sounds like I will have to run it either way. Oh and I would get the AFPR, just forgot about it up in the previous post. Well anywho i've been doing quite a bit of reading, and it seems like i'm pretty much getting the hang of what I need to do for a 1.6l turbo set-up. So yeah i'ma go look up some more parts and information and then post w/e I need to know. Thanks.

EDIT: Also how would MSD work on the turbo'd 1.6's? Like the SCI and blaster coil.

kung fu jesus

iTrader: (1)

are you talking about the msd retarding unit, like from the JRSC kits? Bipes is better than that.

xwade01

No i'm just talking like a regular MSD hookup. The SCI igniton and the blaster coil. Just kind of curious because I have them laying around.

kung fu jesus

iTrader: (1)

that's not going to cut it. you need a controller to retard timing based off boost pressure, intake temp, rpms, etc.

xwade01

I know that. I'm just wondering how it'll run w/ the set-up. Is it good to run it or no?