The new to me toy truck.
 

2005 Diesel Excursion
101k on it.
6.0 Power Stroke
Eddie Bauer

From Texas. Fully loaded. Looks like it lived a semi rough life. Not perfect as there is some cosmetic stuff that needs fixing. ie: driver side mirror slight crack and front grill is cracked in one spot.

I am still looking for a block heater cable (fingers crossed).

Some pics.

http://www.f150-forums.com/attachmen...1&d=1321641712

http://www.f150-forums.com/attachmen...1&d=1321641712

http://www.f150-forums.com/attachmen...1&d=1321642003

So picking me and my car on a trailer up December 28 to drive to New Orleans for a track day right?

What kind of mileage did you get? What did you pay? Any plans for a lift?

I'm looking for one of those with a Cummins+Allison swap.

If Im not mistaken the block heater will be close to one of the tow hooks in the front. Even tho its from Texas, alot of them came with that option. EB edition im not sure of..

Yea, no cable. Need to see if its tied up near the starter.

Just got back in from picking up the kid ..wife again says "OMGs, too loud"

lol

No plans for a lift. Just tint, tires, remote start.

a 6.0?? oh god.....

+1

Why the hate on the 6.0.

Not like its the first year of it. lol

I've been looking for an 05 gasser at a reasonable price... I'm not touching the 6.0.

You don't tow anything do you Rick? Why not get the gas model. Much less expensive to buy and maintain.

Man, my v10 was brutal on fuel. However I did mostly inner city driving with it. On the highway it was ok. Right now with the 6.0 I am starting to wonder if the fuel gauge is stuck on (F) :) Thing is awesome so far on diesel.

My gas one was really nice I thought.
http://www.lolsorry.com/gallery/main...g2_itemId=5680

The gasser lacked heated seats and leather and all the buttons on the steering wheel. I added nav, tvs, back up camera and all Orion system.

I drove it for a year and a bit and sold it for every cent I had into it.

It also sold with around 150,000 KM on it, the new one which is diesel sites at 101,000.

As of now, not towing anything. I have a small 10 foot open trailer generally used for various stuff... dump runs during a reno, or yard clean up etc. So no serious towing at all. My first X was bought with the idea I would tow 1 of the mustangs to the track. Sold the mustangs as well and never once towed them.

As for maintenance. I have no idea what I am up against to be honest. Is it costly? Which part is costly?

I did look at other local gas X's but alot were out of service police trucks that were beat to piss, missing interior parts and or had mangled exteriors. This new X i got was a pretty good deal IMO and condition is awesome. Will need 4 new tires by next year.

Injectors, turbochargers, PCMs, you name it. They are notorious for having major component failures on a regular basis. The 6.0 is garbage. Every single year of it was garbage.

My honest, no-BS advice is to sell that truck as soon as you humanly can. You couldn't pay me to own/use a 6.0PSD. Sell it and buy a gas Excursion or a Suburban or a 7.3 Excursion or a Fiat Pinto, or honestly anything that doesn't involve you owning a 6.0/6.4 PSD.

My buddy has had a 7.3 Excursion for around 200k miles. They were real nice. His dad has a 6.0 F350 that's been fairly reliable also. Hope yours ends up being as reliable. Do you actually need the 8 passenger capacity? If not, the diesel liberty is pretty sweet!

Really, most of the reading I did on the powerstroke forums said the 2003 year of the International 6.0 was brutal but by 2005 most of the issues were sorted out and not to be concerned. I am not really concerned myself as it is a low mileage truck with 3 year 60k warranty, bumper to bumper including coverage of injectors, turbo, ball joints etc.

I would never go back to gas, ever in an X unless i had to or had a great deal. My gas X was gutless compared to the diesel.

I will certainly update if anything goes bad with it and post pics of it at the dealership getting repaired. On the 4th year the pics will be from the scrap yard :fawk:

Dont really need the 8 passenger room, but love being able to fill it up. Nothing like needing a truck when you dont have one.

AS for reliability. The guys I know here locally all say to maintain it and it will be fine, that they have had no issues and most if not all things were covered by warranty on the super duties when they first got it. One guy is now rocking 350k on his. I hope it is reliable as well, warranty makes me feel better. My wifes brand new Jeep leaked 1 month after having it... shit happens, warranty can be good.

Power wise, the 6.0 PSD is a joy, but there's a lot higher cost of ownership as compared to the gasser. Look into disabling the EGR system and head studs. Also, it has a variable vane turbo that likes to get crusty with soot and jam up. Try to romp on it at least one time per drive cycle to help keep the turbo vanes clean.

Savington nailed it the 6.0s are horrible. When I worked as a tire tech in small podunk town, everyone drove a truck and a ton of people had 6.0 fords. We normally had at least 1 in the shop for something big. Did injectors all the time.

At first we only had 1 desiel mechanic and the others vowed they would never touch them after about 3 months of seeing the other tech flag so many hours all the mechanics started working on diesels.

Problem with a ford diese,l post 7.3 is parts and labor is high. I think on the trucks, just a serp belt is like 2.4 hours. Had a truck come in for a turbo failure, refered him to the dealer, talked to him later and he said they had to pull the cab for a turbo swap, dont remeber the vintage or what diesel it was though.

The only big diesel guys I know around here (alot of them) that drive fords have 7.3s.

I think like all things online, you hear more bad stories than good. I read up on the 7.3 and heard their trans were brutal. I hear the 6.0s like to fail. I hear Miatas are noisy as shit and small and that mustangs are owned by gays. :p

I wont tow often or much, but when i do it will likely be a race car or boat or a trailer full of garbage... (latter is most likely).

I have warranty. Thats all I will say for now. If it breaks i hope its within that time period. Prefer it not to ever break.

Did the first oil change on it today. Stickler of having warranty is I need legit oil changes, none of this at home stuff which is lame but was expected.

Next I will have the trans, tcase, diffs done and then go from there.

Gonna get a Edge Insight for it as well.

FoMoCo sued Navistar over the warranty claims on 6.0 trucks. The internet isn't always perfect, but sometimes the things you hear about online are every bit as bad as they are claimed to be.

If you offered that truck to me 100% free of charge, with the warranty you've got, I wouldn't take it. That should give you an idea of what I think it's worth. Sell it ASAP.

Agreed^

But best of luck to you

Engine bay pics?

Still disagree. You always hear more online which is bad than what is good. Not to say the engine is perfect but from the reading I have done maintenance is the key to making it last. I have warranty. if the engine blows up its covered... i got 3 years of figuring it out. Certainly not in my best interest to buy and sell a week later. Not sure if you do business or not, but that is piss poor business and generally equates to a loss in private car ownership & sales; i am not a dealer afterall. Only thing this truck can cost me is regular maintenance and time. Blows up, warranty, rental life goes on. On the 4th year, different story perhaps.

The lawsuit had more to do with cost sharing on warranty claims as I recall and price inflation on another motor they had built. While i haven't googled it, I am not sure ford sued them because the 6.0 was utter fail though they could have, just never heard of it. And even if that is the case, I will still drive the truck, imploding or not for 3 years cause hey, warranty. :fawk:

I certainly wont sell the truck any time soon. ;)

Yea well, we know that isnt true.
Sounding like the mustang owner who said he wouldn't trade his 92 Mustang for a brand new ferrari.... we knew that wasn't true either. :giggle:

I grab tomorrow maybe. now time to get some food.

Whos the warranty through?

Had a old lady come in, 01 Toyota Corrola. Bottom end Knock. Told her it needed a motor. She said I have a warranty. I called them, they said she has to pay for a tear down before we'll do anything. Call her and explain it to her tell her it could go either way, I dont know the history on the car. Pulled it down and called them. Said they'd send someone out. Next day a guy walks in, goes to the last bay, picks up ONE main bearing and says "Nope not covered" and walks out the door. He was in my shop for all of 1 minute. It was complete bullshit.

Had an 03 mustang in the shop. Guys says fix everything. I tell him those warranties dont cover shit. He says trust me they do. He didnt have his contract so I called the warranty company and asked the rep to give me a run down down of what this guys warranty covered, he said No. I said okay then give me a basic idea so I can prepare this guy. Guy says "Not my job" and hangs up. Tell customer he says dont worry about it everythings covered. Checked the car out. Needs 3200 in work. Call warranty company to set up claim. They said they would cover 118 in repairs for a trans seal. Customer has a 100 dollar deductible and they will not cover any diagnostic work. So they actually only covered 18 dollars.

I hope its not one an aftermarket warranty, Ive had pretty extensive dealings with them and they are pretty much a joke. They work for 1 out of 100 people. Most parts that normally need replacing arent covered.

Warranty is through a company called Lubrico
Now Lombard Canada insures them, Lombard is a bag of dicks but they have cash.

I have never had a claim with Lubrico so yea, who knows what will really happen when its show time. Lombard is your typical never wanting to pay out ever dick smacks though.

On lubricos site they have a pamphlet. I have the superior protection. I am pretty certain that I would incur some costs even while having their warranty. For instance, I dont know if I am on the hook for re/re but I would guess I am. I also dont know if the cab of the x needs to be lifted to pull the engine out or they drop it, I just dont know.

Sometimes insurers need motivation and sometimes thats a big hassle. Again, with the amount of jinxing from Sav it will likely implode by friday, but hopefully not.

For the 6.0 I didn't realize there was an issue with the cooler gunking up and the egr failing leading to death of engine, but there are ways to monitor that with the edge insight which I plan to pick up. The Edge Insight will allow max levels before sounding an alarm.


Was the 03 Mustang atleast a cobra?


Having the insurance adds to a state of mind that I am ok with this thing. I cant work on it in my residence, people will complain. I certainly dont know enough about diesel to act as if I know anyways. I feel better knowing that something is covered. Either way, it breaks I am certain i have to pay something out be it in time, stress or cash.

PS.. good news.. made it out for a soda and burger and back.. no fail.

PPS.. more scared lubrico will fail before the 6.0. lol..

Swap a 5.4 4v into the Mustang. Swap a Cummins into the Excursion.

Next.

Not big enough.

It was a 6 cylinder which explains the lack of maintenance the car had seen.

The 6.0 Diesels only have 4 head studs per cylinder and they use shit torque to yield bolts so the 6.0s loose alot of headgaskets.
For reference, SBCs have always had 5 bolts for cylinder then the LS1 went to 4 per cylinder. Now the boost guys are having issues with lifting heads and bleeding boost into the cooling system. So common, in fact, when GM designed the LSx block they added provisions for extra bolts per cylinder.

Also the only reliable 6.0s I know of have been COMPLETELY STOCK. I would not put a tuner on it.

No loss then. SN95 V6's are junk, I heard there pretty just 351's with a couple of cylinders lopped off.

Won't tune, just monitor.
Oil changes 5k or less etc.

But you never know, it could implode for any reason.

Then hopefully you will have no problems.

I heard the injector problems stemmed from long oil change intervals or wrong oil being used, how true it is, i have no idea, but I would stick to a 5K interval.

A tuner can be helpful to turn off EGR.

Today I spent some quality time with the truck. Gave it a wash, farted around with it a bit and so far have:

- seen some dents and scratches. Some i hadnt seen before. boo.

- rear bumper looks like its been tweaked. didn't look under the chassis or bumper skin but its certainly off by about half an inch or the fender is on the passenger side.

- glow plug bulb may be out, may not. dealer visit monday. no volt meter here and non the of the hood rats have one so can't test on my own. Two different sites said most likely just the bulb.

- theft light on / blinking. tried to sync the systems with a how to i seen online but it failed. dealership monday.

Now, after some research and reading.
http://oilchange.lubrico.com/OilChange.aspx
to keep your warranty you must update their system often with your oil services. Its a requirement meaning that if you do not do this but your rear diff implodes they can opt not to warranty you due to you not maintaining the oil change update.
Other interesting print that I found myself..
1- diesel fuel injection systems arent covered.
2- 4wd locking hub arent covered.
3- they only pay upto $60 towing IF the truck and is covered under their repair and you better hope you only need towing 3x, after that sol.
4- seeping or sweating gaskets are not covered, only 100% failure is.
5- computer systems are not covered.

there is more fine print im sure. I need to take a look at it.

if it ain't lifted, you ain't rollin it right

See how monday goes. If my ass isnt hurting too much might start looking at a small life, 2" and some times.. need tires more than lift.

Wife complains when we take it out now.. so ghey, too loud she says.

Buy her some earplugs.

So you bought a 6.0 PSD with an un-warrantied PCM and un-warrantied fuel injectors?


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Sell that shit before it costs you a TON of money and leaves you stranded, dude.

The injectors aren't really any better/worse than any other non common rail diesel.

It's the EGR system that causes problems. It should be disabled. You should also start saving for the head gasket fund.

An update on the dealership visit today (not good).

This is the email I just sent the dealer I bought the truck from:

So, no work was done except inspection to the tune of $250

The dealer also took issue with the VIN
1FMNU43S45ED44953 (found a vin decoder here - says its a gas truck)

I will give you $5 for it. I don't need no glow plugs down here in the south.

I just cancelled Lubrico warranty. There is a window of time you can do that and get a refund. By fluke today was the last day.

Spoke to the dealer I bought the truck from. They are "planning" to refund me.... Almost seems to easy so far.

:fingerscrossed:

Wow, this is a pretty big fail so far Rick. The 7.3 Excursion is the way to go next time or a gasser.

:drama:

The plot thickens...

So warranty hasnt even been paid for yet.

Ford Dealership gave me some print outs.

http://www.ranger-forums.com/attachm...1&d=1322501938

http://www.ranger-forums.com/attachm...2&d=1322501938

http://www.ranger-forums.com/attachm...4&d=1322501938

http://www.ranger-forums.com/attachm...1&d=1322502139

So, there "planning" on letting you return the truck? Pay em' $500 to take it back if you have to, it'll be worth it in the end. If it's any consolation, I would have thought the diesel would have been the better option too.

:lessonlearned:

Wow is it stolen or rebuilt?

It is a 6.0, that alone is the problem according to everyone on here. I bet it is a mix of the two.

Rick is at the dealership that be bought the truck at. I am trying to convince him to live stream the whole thing with his phone.

That would be epic.

There are VIN tags on the frame and engine. Shouldn't be hard to find one and run it through carfax or similar database. It would be interesting to know the truck's whole story.

Wait, the cluster is from a gas truck? Does it have a gas tach?

e: Yep, it definitely has a gas tach. The diesel tach only goes to 5000, this one goes to 6000. :rofl:

I asked Rick about the carfax. He said the carFOX said it was a clean truck. 1 owner or some shit.

He has gone silent on gchat, I am betting he is talking to the owner now.

Poor Rick...

Yeah the gas body VIN. I want to know about the VIN on the frame, engine, and trans.

Holy shit, I really hope this turns out well.

When I said 6.0s have major component failures, I didn't mean the VIN tags :giggle:

^^^ Looks like the line item charges for Frankenford diagnosis were $54.50 plus $163.50. Seems a little steep IMO.

"Yep, we looked it over, can't help you. That'll be $246.34 sir."

They now have the truck. They are supposed to cut a cheque to National Bank (financed some) and refund me some cash + return my trade in.

Big mess.

Neither I think. Title was clear. I mean, all was good in the hood with carfax here. No wonder though, wrong vin for the chassis.

I spent that last 2 hours there and I will say this...
the guy who sold me the truck genuinely is worried.
the small owner of the company seems to slightly care
the majority owner doesnt give a shit and said "oh well".. "people change engines all the time". When I told him the bank alone said I should get a police report he said "i dont care, police cant do anything".

He was kind of a dick but I played it cool. Cards are all in their hands really. Right now I am out a good trade in which I will take back, out cash which i may not see again and owe a bank.

Overall, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are handling it. I get the impression they dont want me to spew about it on the net.

Carfax was clean for the dash vin. The cluster vin matches the dash. it is gas. I dont know where there is a vin on the chassis but I almost dont want to know.

Yup, gas cluster. WTF Sav, why didnt you warn me about this :p
Engine was solid during my ownership. I was happy with the 6.0. LOL

Well, honestly, worth ever cent. I will be out that money but in the long run I am better off i think.

I am not even close to being out of the woods right now. The dealer has the X, the dealer has my trade in and money. Really, I have a bill to the bank to pay. I cant even remove insurance from it because a partial amount is financed.

To say I am not worried would be a lie. This easily could go south and I could be screwed.

From my experince as a Tech, then service writer, then manager at a Ford dealer

1. Aftermarket warranties are so bad, they arent worth the paper they are printed on. Absolute waste of money... Get Ford's Premuimcare, or nothing else.
2. Excursion is one sweet truck.
3. The 6.0 is the worst mistake Ford made since the contour. Swap it for a turbo miata motor.

and good god.. Diesel engine in a gas truck is going to be a nightmare.. I don't know about emissions laws in your area, but here it is illegal for a dealer to sell a car that wont pass. There may be an angle there.

Yea, ideally I am out of it all and I am happy. But until i see paperwork that says that, I am cautious to celebrate. Wife says new truck in the new year... i am happy if I get out of this one.

As for the e-test here, diesel only requires a visual and guess what, passed perfect! :jerkit:

Rick, if they put up even the slightest bit of resistance, lawyer up ASAP.

^Yep.

You never posted the engine pics I requested :cry: