I don't see any disadvantage to running a hardtop in winter other than being bummed on a day when you really want the top down, but heat retention isn't really an issue. The heater in our cars is awesomely good.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1132510)
Everyone I know that daily's a miata in the winter runs a hard top, for the heat retention factor and the fact that they'd never ever want to be top down when its -4°F out.
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Originally Posted by Monk
(Post 1132515)
I don't see any disadvantage to running a hardtop in winter other than being bummed on a day when you really want the top down
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I despise driving with winter gloves on. 40°F is pretty much my low limit for driving a miata with the top down with no gloves on before my hands are too cold to be comfortable.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1132524)
I despise driving with winter gloves on. 40°F is pretty much my low limit for driving a miata with the top down with no gloves on before my hands are too cold to be comfortable.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1132529)
Meh. I commute by bicycle nearly every day already, regardless of temperature. When I lived in SoCal, I simply kept my winter motorcycle gloves in the glovebox, and wore them when it was cold. I have no problem wearing weather-appropriate attire.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1132521)
I realize that a lot of folks on this forum prefer to run their hard-tops year-round, and have even gone so far as to remove the soft top entirely. I'm not judging them*, but my own preference is to run topless any time doing so does not result in significant water damage to the interior.
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Drove my open diff NB all winter with snow tires. Never once got in any trouble in the Michigan snow.
Other than that, the NB is a terrible daily driver. Cramped. Bad on gas. Not comfortable. No one sees you. Slow. I could go on. |
Originally Posted by Erat
(Post 1132558)
the NB is a terrible daily driver. Cramped. Bad on gas. Not comfortable. No one sees you. Slow. I could go on.
Because I've used NAs as my exclusive daily-driver for the past nine years*, and I don't find them to be at all objectionable. I find it difficult to believe that an NB could be significantly more cramped, worse on gas, or less comfortable than a '90. And I'm 6'2", 195 lbs. * = Excluding the period of Sep 2013-present, during which time I owned no car at all. |
I've only had the joy of daily driving an NB of the 3 generations.
You asked if it was possible and it absolutely is. In fact it did best of all in the snow of any of my cars. All the other stuff is personal opinion. |
The bottom line is that if you want an NB, a soft top doesn't make life a living hell, and a retractable hardtop isn't worth the extra coin. El fin. I'm with you in thinking that a miata should have the top down whenever feasable, and I would have been heartbroken on the first rogue days of warm weather if I'd been stuck in a hardtop.
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Originally Posted by Erat
(Post 1132558)
Other than that, the NB is a terrible daily driver. Cramped. Bad on gas. Not comfortable. No one sees you. Slow. I could go on.
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I can't speak to the NA or NC but I can agree that an NB is a cramped daily for someone 6' or taller. Rubbing my hair on the roof sucks. Of course without a roll bar, it's a little better. But who does that?
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1132707)
I can't speak to the NA or NC but I can agree that an NB is a cramped daily for someone 6' or taller. Rubbing my hair on the roof sucks. Of course without a roll bar, it's a little better. But who does that?
I've driven NBs very short distances in the past, and I don't recall them feeling any more cramped than my NAs. I've also driven an NC on one occasion, and I recall it feeling quite claustrophobic, owing to the fact that the top of the door seemed much higher than on an NA/NB.
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1132707)
If I were Joe Perez, I would hold out for the uNiCorn PRHT stick shift.
OTOH, someone needs to get off their ass and install a Megasquirt in one... |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1132716)
OTOH, someone needs to get off their ass and install a Megasquirt in one...
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Are the NC's DBW? If so then don't expect MS to ever support it.
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And for my 5000th post...
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1132729)
Are the NC's DBW? If so then don't expect MS to ever support it.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1132728)
openflash
Remember when I said that my knowledge of the NC is lacking? I meant it- I'm actually kind of a luddite when it comes to OEM ECUs. Gotta do me some reading.
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1132729)
Are the NC's DBW? If so then don't expect MS to ever support it.
That said, I'd want to do a parallel install anyway, as the amount of code development that would be required to completely replicate all of the auxiliary functions of the OEM ECU would be burdensome. |
The robbins cloth/canvas top, in my experience, has been significantly less fussy about cold weather than the 3 or so previous vinyl tops that I've had. Pinch the center and rear horizontal supports together with your fingers, and the top will settle under its own weight every time. Also, having had both an NA and an NB for DD Winter duty, I have seen no noticeable difference in comfort/performance between the two. Get a functional LSD with snow tires on all 4 corners, and everything else is trivial. I am 6'2" 200 lbs.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1132730)
This is hella gay, DBW is awesome and lets you do dirty dirty things with turbo cars if you have enough control over it.
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1132735)
Interesting.
While I understand that the developers are hesitant to officially support DBW for liability reasons, this is a political, rather than a technological challenge. DBW not being supported is purely political because of the liability as you have stated. B&G is 2 people, along with 2 developers who do it part time. So I fully understand why they have no desire to touch DBW. Now someone like Reverant could probably write DBW code for the NC and get it working correctly. |
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