One down...how many to go? Goodbye Pontiac
04-27-2009, 07:20 PM
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I've owned 3 new Mazda's in the last 6-7 years. '02 Protege5, '05 Tribute and an '08 Mazda3. Aside from a couple of minor repairs I haven't had to use the warranty expect for the Tribute (that's telling, guess where it is made?). New cat and rear shocks.
Warranty is so over rated, and mostly marketing anyway. If I could have saved $3K on each car and opted out of the warranty I would be probably $10K richer.
You come to market with a $2000 dollar car, who gives a **** if it has a warranty? By 4 of them, there's your warranty.
Warranty is so over rated, and mostly marketing anyway. If I could have saved $3K on each car and opted out of the warranty I would be probably $10K richer.
You come to market with a $2000 dollar car, who gives a **** if it has a warranty? By 4 of them, there's your warranty.
Tribute? Ford Escape, Made in Kansas City! Yeah, those are complete crap. Trade you a 2000 Protege and a 1993 Ninja ZX600 for your 3...
For the most part, I agree with you. What good is this 100,000 mile Kia warranty if your car spends more time being repaired than in service for you.. However, assuming I saved $3000 on my MS6, I'd be out somewhere near $5000.00 in repairs when (known fault) second gear went out.
Personally I like the idea of a sensible warranty (not this 10 year 100k mile crap) myself.. You have to look at the market the $2000 car is shooting for.. Poor bastards who can't afford a $10,000 car.. What happens when their 2000$ car breaks and they can't afford to buy a new one? Honestly I think the idea of a $2000.00 car is just, well, a bad one..
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04-27-2009, 07:50 PM
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I know there are a lot of disbelievers in humanity's role in global warming but that to me is the number one reason why a $2000 is a bad thing. Countries like India and China where people get by fine with bikes do not need more cars in already heavily congested and polluted cities.
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04-27-2009, 08:07 PM
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I know there are a lot of disbelievers in humanity's role in global warming but that to me is the number one reason why a $2000 is a bad thing. Countries like India and China where people get by fine with bikes do not need more cars in already heavily congested and polluted cities.
I felt kinda selfish for thinking it, but it's true, especially when you consider the plants making those $2000 cars are probably less environmentally friendly as well.
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04-27-2009, 09:04 PM
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A couple of comments - first, I don't care how a company runs their business. The fact that have a 5 star dining room for the execs and a private aircraft fleet is their business. All the way up until they ask my tax dollars to buy their free lunch. Then I'm pissed and I care a lot.
I think it's gross arrogance to believe that your time justifies owning a fleet of private jets. The tickets vs operating a G4 is not even in the ballpark. A round trip JetBlue airline ticket from NY to San Fran is $450. A G4 is $50,000, each way. Don't get me wrong, I love flying private jets (the few opportunities I've had), but I don't see any way a company can justify tax dollars being used to pay for them. I feel the same way about our congressman flying private jets because the public planes are too dangerous for them (but safe enough for you and me!).
A couple of comments - first, I don't care how a company runs their business. The fact that have a 5 star dining room for the execs and a private aircraft fleet is their business. All the way up until they ask my tax dollars to buy their free lunch. Then I'm pissed and I care a lot.
I think it's gross arrogance to believe that your time justifies owning a fleet of private jets. The tickets vs operating a G4 is not even in the ballpark. A round trip JetBlue airline ticket from NY to San Fran is $450. A G4 is $50,000, each way. Don't get me wrong, I love flying private jets (the few opportunities I've had), but I don't see any way a company can justify tax dollars being used to pay for them. I feel the same way about our congressman flying private jets because the public planes are too dangerous for them (but safe enough for you and me!).
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04-27-2009, 10:02 PM
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GM **** the bed.
If you build crappy cars, people remember. They don't come back once you've abused their loyalty. A GM buyer may come back if they have one bad new car experience, but after two or three shitty ownership experiences in a row, they are gone, never to return. It doesn't matter how well built the G8 might be, the core buyers have departed. That ship has sailed.
Isn't it strange how actions have consequences?
I can't believe there are fools buying ugly crap like the Malibu Maxx. WTF? Or that ridiculously styled Monte Carlo.
If you build crappy cars, people remember. They don't come back once you've abused their loyalty. A GM buyer may come back if they have one bad new car experience, but after two or three shitty ownership experiences in a row, they are gone, never to return. It doesn't matter how well built the G8 might be, the core buyers have departed. That ship has sailed.
Isn't it strange how actions have consequences?
I can't believe there are fools buying ugly crap like the Malibu Maxx. WTF? Or that ridiculously styled Monte Carlo.
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04-28-2009, 01:09 AM
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I can't believe anybody would buy ANYTHING GM makes, aside a Vette.. And quite honestly, those are kinda shitty cars too. I mean, have you actually SAT in one?? Whats really ******* crazy is HOW MANY of those fugly *** Monte Carlos they sold!
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04-28-2009, 08:22 AM
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I don't understand how Buick isn't going first. I've seen very few new Buick's around here lately. Pontiac's seem to still be moving off the lots. Oh well, everyone at GM is retarded anyway.I think all of GM needs to pull their heads out of their asses and look at what other companies are doing right, and what they (GM) are doing wrong, which is a lot in my opinion.
I would keep Pontiac and Cadillac and sell of the rest. Pontiac for the more fun cars, and Cadillac for the more luxury based cars. I was actually thinking hard about a GTO soon for a daily, but if Pontiac is gone, what would one do about support for existing Pontiac cars? I'm hoping other GM dealers would cover whats left of Pontiac.
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04-28-2009, 12:10 PM
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A $2000 car will never, ever, ever happen in America. Safety and emissions crap preclude it, moreso each year as you have to put on TPMS, traction control, etc. Remember that in India, China, etc, you can still buy a NEW Tracker/Sidekick. Not the latest models, though, the early-80s models. Still produced. Cheap, reliable, capable. No safety or emissions stuff, no frills, no creature comforts.
That's how they do a $2000 car. Obsolete, cheap, off the shelf components that require no testing, no new factories, no real design. Minimal R&D.
That's how they do a $2000 car. Obsolete, cheap, off the shelf components that require no testing, no new factories, no real design. Minimal R&D.
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05-08-2009, 01:32 PM
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It's sad to see them go, from a historical perspective anyway. I'm hoping someone at least tries to buy Saturn, I think there's some potential with them if they get back to what they originally did and make fuel efficient original cars.
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