One more reason to stay here
 

Our friends over at M.net decided to raise a little more cash, so they have implemented that innane key word clickable link marketing in the text of the threads. So, when someone types "tire" or something, it will be highlighted and direct you to an avertiser that sells whatever widget was linked to that keyword. Makes for annoying reading. Although, you can get around it by subscribing. I already subscribe to the best Miata site, can't see subscribing to another.:)

MX-5 Miata Forum - About those green, double-underline links

they did that once before and people hated it so much they took it away. oh well. I will not be forced to pay. I'll post up whatever firefox add-on gets rid of it.

I FAIL because I have IE at work. No firefox for me.:cry:

Thanks. You made mt.net a million times better for me. I subscribed and nothing changed other than my name is blue. :)

upload a funny avatar so we can laugh and giggle.

I think his is "pop-a-wheelie" sig image is already funny :giggle: It looks just like a hard launch at the drag strip :D

1. Install Adblock
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10

2. Go to Tools > Add-ons, press options on Adblock, select remove ads, add
" *.kontera.com/ " as a new filter, press done.

3. Refresh page, no more bullshit in text ads.

Ha, Adblock already blocks it for me. I'm not seeing any green underlined words with firefox.

I already had adblock plus... so I disabled it and still didn't see em.

and then I tried in IE7 and saw like two but only on the forum index, none in posts.

:dunno:

Now post that up on M.net.. :bowrofl:

Gary is such a tool...

MX-5 Miata Forum

how long before I'm banned? LMAO

not long, about a year ago when he first added all the ads he said he'd ban anyone he found using such devices.

We'll see if it's true, he already responded to my thread :giggle:

Saw that. Thank you for adding some WIN to this thread!:bowrofl:

EDIT: They didn't waste any time removing your helpful suggestions.

was this in the water cooler? i banned myself from access.

That's two times today that you missed out on the fun. You need to unban yourself to be able to share the joy.

Yes it was in the water cooler, I essentially copied and pasted what was above but added "Install Firefox" Gary came on in roughly 3 minutes with:

We prefer if you would become a supporting member of the site - that also will block the Kontera links.

This site is supported strictly by advertising. If you block the ads, and refuse to support the site, basically, you're helping to drive the site out of business, while continuing to use our resources.

then edited my first post with this:

Note from the Management: We've removed the content of this post as we really don't want to encourage people to steal our resources.

after I said:

"Yea but that way is no fun"

How is that stealing?

Gary & his band of monkies are seriously fucked in the head.

Speaking of annoying bullshit on forums...

I hate the "recent threads" column that comes up when you go to mt.net. It's worthless and takes up a lot of the screen. Nobody uses that column. Why must it be there?

Also, every page at the top says "Remove advertisements today by clicking here and subscribing. Only $3.50 a month" (note per month would be better and needs a period to end the sentence) For crying out loud I AM A SUBSCRIBER! Why must I have to see this on every page?

He has a perfect explanation :giggle: :



As far as I'm concerned, blocking advertising is theft of service. It costs us money for you to view the site. Contrary to the opinion of some, the Internet is not the same as broadcast TV or Radio. With TV or Radio, there is no incremental cost for 1 additional viewer. But with the Internet, there is. Each additional reader uses CPU cycles, bandwidth, disk space for logs, etc. We've already taken a major hit over the past few years due to adblockers that have caused our delivered banner impressions to drop, despite a rise in readership.

So - I'll say again - adblockers are theft of service. Please either support the site, or put up with the ads.

^ Theft is mt.net taking a sponsor away from m.net,not blocking useless shit on the site.

Elesjuan, you trying to get in on the ban action too? :bowrofl:

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowr ofl::bowrofl:



Holy hell, I'm about to die!! Gary really is a complete fucking TOOLBAG!!!


The fagbox already deleted my post... IB hes writing a PM right meow..

Your post is gone already...jeez

You retarded? How is it not stealing?

You do understand how sites like this site and M.net make money, right? They deliver ads. Just like network television makes their money on ad revenue, just like every sports team and every racing team/series in the world. Advertising is one of the largest industries in the world.

I don't really care if you block ads, although Gary disagrees vehemently. The way I see it is that if you are installing adblockers, you wouldn't be clicking ads anwyay. Telling other people how to get around it, though, is crossing the line. How would you feel if you dropped $1k+ on bandwidth every month for a forum, and then put up ads to recoup some of the costs, only to have your members laugh about blocking the ads that support the site?

Stop being dicks about it. Christ, half of us pay $30/year or more for this site. Cough up the $20 over there, or shut the fuck up.

oh man, NBC would love to talk to my DVR then, because I don't put up with ads there either.

Adblock + Firefox + Filterset.g

is vastly superior to just

Adblock + Firefox

National Barack Channel would have a shit fit if they knew that. They only tolerate DVR because they think people get them so they can watch double commercials.

Whatever,do your modding over there,not here.

It's not really stealing,it's more like freedom of choice.People choose to view the adds or not.

Whether you care or not, I respect you here.. But take that bullshit back to M.net. I would bet you that Gary makes PROFIT from m.net off the 20+ forum sponsors and subscriptions from members, muchless paying out for bandwidth and servers.

Do you have a DVR? Do you ever find yourself fastforwarding through commercials? I do. Am I stealing my television now? Oh wait, I don't pay for cable anyway. Oops. :giggle: Yeah, I spend 3$ a month to support this site because I know my money is going to something good, not to fatten up that toolbox's wallet. :jerkit:

Very well said,I could not agree with you more.

Gary already makes more than enough money to support that site,he's just plain greedy and wants more money.

Rules are only as good as they are enforcable. Fischman can't currently enforce the non-use of adblockers so therefore he can't enforce the rule.

.....but according to some people it's stealing!!!!!!!!!!!

We're all no good dirty thieves, I just new Miata's were turning into the new Civic.

that site steals my soul. can we call it even?

I don't know.....you will have to talk to Gary about that one.

Then again,he would acuse you of being a thief anyways,so why bother.

Yeah, I'd bet he does make a profit. Most good businesses do. What confuses me is when he tries to increase the profits of his business, suddenly he's a greedy fuck?

This drives me fucking nuts, and not just in this case. Gary doesn't run M.net out of the goodness of his heart and his wallet. He runs it as a business. None of the advertising he runs on that site makes him greedy; it makes him a good businessman. This is like saying the owner of Facebook is a greedy shitstain because he runs ads on the side of the page, or Google as a company is greedy because nearly 100% of their revenue is ad-based.

Is Rick (the owner of this site) just plain greedy because he added an enormous banner for non-subscribers, a bunch of in-forum advertising at the bottom of the page, and Google ads? No. He's a businessman.

Here's an interesting note: I poked around, curious as to how Mozilla makes any money at all.

-85% of the revenue that Mozilla made in 2006 was from Google, which paid them $57m to include the Google Toolbar as the default search engine in their browser.
-Google's net revenue from advertising in 2006 was $10.492b (yes, billion) dollars in 2006. This represents 99% of Google's total revenue.
-You could argue that the single company most affected by Firefox's AdBlock plugin is Google

Sav,it's one thing to run a good business and provide the user with a good product(mozilla & google),it's totally different when Gary is charging the money he does and at the same time providing a now shitty forum(not what it use to be a few years ago)and expect people to be happy with it.

M.net had/has alot of potential,gary just needs to thin out the morons he elected as mods and get decent understanding people to do the job and let rules bend a little.

And kick the 3rd Reich moderation policy...

:drama:

....more like the SS death squad.

hey if gary makes over 250k, I know one way to stick it to him. :giggle:

:bowrofl:

Lets get that fucker!!

Oh for fucksake. If you don't like it, don't go over there. It's very simple. It's like this, if you don't like getting punched in the balls, cease punching yourself in the balls.

Simple fact. If you run a site that caters to even the remotely computer savvy ads will never make you any money. People will always find a way around them. Ad's are becoming, if not already, a dead end for money making.

Want an example? One of my friends is Moot, the guy who runs 4chan.org. His site gets more hits per day then MT.net and Miata.net combined x 1000. Does he make any money of his ads? No. Why? Because everyone knows how to get around them. If the ads would work, with his daily hit count he would be a millionaire in a week.

Gary needs to stop that goofy crap and stop pissing people off. Let the vendor ad's stay but the in text ads are just a nuisance.

And QFT to someone mentioning he needs to get rid of the Hitler Yugen he has running that place.

Now that idiot moderator Bob Hill is suggesting everyone become a supporting member,he's preaching about how it costs less than 6 cents a day and how much enjoyment you get out of it.

Jesus christ,he fucking sounds like one of those TV commercials about the starving African kids & babies with the swollen bellies.

Stop hitting the pipe. IAB Internet Advertising Revenue Report Shows First Half of '08 Up 15.2% From Same Period '07

I have FF. I use Track Me Not, Ad Block and a couple others. I never have ad problems. Honestly. I never knew about ads or the like on some of my favorite sites till I got a computer at work that I could browse with. IE for the lose.

Another thing that people have not mentioned is that a t'net forum is only as good and useful as it's members.

The people that are dishing out advice and helping other members do not see any of that profit.

It's like running a tech support help desk where you charge your staff to come into work.

I'm no where as knowledgeable as many of the guys on here, but i still try and help out when i can with advice.
Not only do i not see any money from that i have to pay more money as these fooooookin wank adverts cost me bandwidth which i have to pay for.

That is the only site online that mentions anything about revenue. I cant find one other source that mentions revenues from online advertisement. The only thing I get is online advertisement spending reports.

ANYWAY.

I probably should have been more clear. Unless you are a search engine, you wont be seeing revenue from online advertisement. Especially so if you are running a car forum, or any type of forum that caters to even remotely conscious people that know anything about computers.

So basically, Gary stole from ME first because I've actually helped people from that site in the past. That fuck!

Youre basically working for free.

+1 that half the mods on m.net need to go. That site is over moderated IMO and most of the mods are asses. Granted it's their goal to keep everything work safe and formal, etc, and that part I understand. But I don't agree with all the things they do and how they go about doing them. Hence why I don't help people over there near as much as I used to. I get PM's every few days from newbs asking nitrous questions and I'll try to help them, but that's about it. If I see someone asking a MS question that I think deserves help they get a PM from me linking them to mt.net and give them a brief intro on what to do to survive here.

I know in the long run that cost them money as they have less active members, less traffic, less clicks, etc. I almost signed up to be a supporting member over there about a year ago until some thread came up on m.net about why they won't allow sponsor "bashing" in any form or fashion where Gary made an ass out of himself, proving it was about the money, and nothing else. That's when I lost interest in the site.

which is why I:

a) will never pay for it

b) dont answer stupid questions unless:

b.1) it entertains me

b.2) makes the original poster/asker feel a little stupid.


so miata.net will eventually full of subscriber noobs with no information?

If I was a paying vendor like Tire Rack, I would be taking my business elsewhere.

Why should I pay that much to have green highlights undercut me and annoy my potential customer base.

The highlighted links are aggravating......but m.net started to suck dick years ago, this is just another phase. I don't have alot of free time to play on the web...but when I do I come here. This forum is more my style, for some m.net is more their style.

I don't know why some people are willing to go out of their way to get banned, equally I don't understand why some people stick up for Gary like he's a close personal friend. Gary as well as the mods over there are more into getting their kicks by flexing their e-authority, rather than making it a helpful, technical, fun environment.

Like many agree, m.net was the beginning for alot of us, but we have since moved on. I go there now only to link info that can help, classifieds, and that's it. Same with cr.net, not really worth my time going there. Simple....don't like the environment....remove yourself bitch! :rly:

Vash-

Well said, the problem does exist on both ends. I too don't understand why people feel the need to go to other sites and fuck with people. I guess it is easy to be a tough guy on the internet :jerkit:

my thoughts exactly, who cares what they're doing? why do we constantly have threads about their forum or the specific asshats they harbor? if you really need a forum personalized exactly to your liking make your own.

Meh, I see your point. I had a similar train of thought on a few other topics, like politics. But the mods here agree this is the "BULLSHIT" section, so that's exactly what goes here. So on those grounds, I say we can bash them, but don't go over there and start shit just to start shit, like whoever that did that here about posting the ad blocker commands.

I think the guy gets villified a little more than he deserves. Some of the mods over there are tools, I will agree, but knowing what I do about the inner workings of that place, I can see where Gary is coming from more often than not.

They hate us because we are immature, we hate them because they are uptight. And the world goes round and round.