Really killer, really expensive wheels that none of you cheap skates are going to buy
 

15x8 +25 TE37 Super Laps:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270881214932...ht_2292wt_1018


1 of 5 sets in the world, according to the auction. If I hadn't tied my play money up in a beater Miata to flip, I would have bought these instead of showing them to you jokers found some other excuse to not buy these.

If there's only 5 sets in the world, then there's at least 2 of them on eBay. Lolwut?

Just picked these bad boys up a few days ago

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Yeah, yeah, they're 16's, quit hatin :D

16xNarrow flat face, regular ass TE37s != 15x8 Super Laps...

I'd rather have a set of 17" BBS LMs, but at $3300 for the set, it's not happening anytime soon. I like my curret SSR CR-S. I do like Scotts LE-37s posted above though.

For those of you into, or are even considering such pricey rims...

http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=54806

Yea, if they ever got stolen, and you found someone who bought them stolen... the cops will not help you.

Probably a good idea to splurge the extra $100-$200 a year to get your insurance carrier to cover aftermarket parts.

No insurance company is going to cover $2000 of wheels on a $2000 car. I went through this recently, you want a special rider from a specialty insurance provider.

Completely not worth it IMO. You'd have to worry about your wheels getting stolen whenever your not in the car.

Not interested in expensive or brand name wheels, especially when most of them are hideous. I'll get some 6ul's one of these days as they are inexpensive and beautiful.

I like these. 15x8, 13lbs, 89 bucks a wheel and they look great. Although I'm not sure if I could live with a +20 offset. Might be doable. Information on the CCW reps here.

http://i39.tinypic.com/necj6s.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/69knex.jpg

I hate polishing, so I'd get the flat silver.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47...53158083-2.jpg

They're really in no more risk of getting stolen than my $700 set of Koseis. Hell, my Koseis are probably more rare than those Super Laps. Put a set of nice wheel locks on them, and don't park your car in the street in front of your trap house. Problem solved.

Further, who the heck spends $2k on a set of 11.5 lb wheels and puts street tires on them? It would be the height of stupidity to waste these wheels on the street.

Get that fake shit outta here.

huh

*First Lady thinks your mad pic*

http://sarasotadetail.com/gallery2/d...rsly-40515.jpg

www.clubroadster.net You should hang out here.

Damn those CCW knockoffs are cheap. I would totally rock those in flat silver.

One of the major reasons I decided on TR motorsport wheels is because they're so disposable. I could destroy one today, place and order and have a replacement in a week, at a budget price. As much as I like the 6UL, availability is a problem at times.

I keep forgetting my kbb value isn't the norm for these cars. Just curious, did you actually get this special rider from a specialty provider? If so, details plz.

a) The multi-lug looks like ass and is inherent to cheap, shitty wheels.
b) The "polished" finish is paint, why you think you'd have to constantly polish them is beyond me.

I personally have no feeling regarding multilug wheels, didn't really notice until you pointed it out. Shouldn't these be right along the line of the K7? or any of the other cheap wheels that people use with no problems? I guess we'll have to wait and see. I really like them though, I might pick up a set once I do some more research on this +20 business.

Haha, I didn't know it was paint. That's awesome, but I'll still be compelled to wash them all the time so they stay shiny. Too much effort.

That's a joke, right?

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It's just something I, a wheel person, picks up on when looking at wheels. I'd rock the K7 any day though. I have yet to find out what "original" wheel the K7 even is. So far, it seems to be a pretty original looking wheel considering Rotas aftermarket wheels. It is nice to know they are a OE supplier though.

My wheels are matte grey, and I still keep them clean inside and out. Though any mesh design is a bitch to clean regardless of who makes them. I'll admit they are a good looking wheel, but there is part of me that can't justify putting them on my car.

I don't like cleaning wheels so they all end up getting painted flat black. I've never understood overpriced wheels.

I really, really like these wheels for my C5

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That's understandable. I'm by no means a wheel person. I'll use whatever wheel fits my needs, as long as they aren't too shiny :rofl:

I think the only wheels I'd never use would be the TR wheels. Those things are fucking hideous.

didn't know these came in 8!
worth more than my car, no doubt

SW. He's a cool dude but the Austin/Boost Logic crew did not know what they were getting into earlier this year when TXMC crashed the party at TXMC.

They'll always look better on that Ferrari....

1.) The K7 is a knockoff Wedssport SA-90

2.) Shiney wheels are light years easier to keep clean than white wheels. My old room mate had a set of white wheels on his daily, and he had to wipe them down EVERY morning or they looked like they had never been washed. I laughed at him every day.

3.) The TR Motorsports wheels are ugly, but they are their own designs, so I don't consider them a knockoff brand at all. Just like I didn't consider XXR to be a knockoff brand until they came out with these fake ass CCWs.

4.) Trap house joke is likely a joke.



5.) Fake parts are the bane of the import world, and fake parts pushers should be boycotted at all cost. If you don't want to buy a $2000 set of Volks, that's your choice (I certainly wouldn't/ couldn't), but when you could buy a set of Kosei K1s or 6ULs for only a little more than you'd have in a set of shitty knockoffs, it's beyond silly to do so. When you support the fake parts companies, you're taking money out of the pockets of the people who are actually capable of designing, testing and engineering new parts. Just like Hotshot Headers, they will eventually go out of business because it was so much cheaper to buy the Chinesium knockoffs that were so close to the originals they would fit on Hotshot's welding jigs. Then, once they're out of business, the Chinesium knockoff houses won't be able to do any real design work of their own, and the market will completely lose the niche that (insert legit parts company here) used to fill. It wouldn't be that great of a loss to the community if we lost one wheel manufacturer, but what if we lost Rays, Work and Enkei one after the other? Half of the manufacturing capability in the industry would disappear over night, and the cost of legit wheels would skyrocket.

There are real and tangible consequences to this, not just some faceless people on the internet trying to justify having bought expensive parts. Without the real parts companies, there is no tuning industry as we know it, and unless you're willing to sack up and spend a little more money on legit parts instead of rinky dink knockoff junk, eventually there won't be real parts companies.

Explain to me then, why are those wheels so expensive? How much profit are they making on those wheels? I think the 6UL is the only "real" wheel I would buy.

Ahh the SA90. I saw them but Rota definitely put a good bit of lip on the K7 that was never available on the sa90s, so some props to Rota for taking the design a bit further.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/...797cebdde6.jpg


Nope, the Rotas are pretty much just a knockoff.

-Forged

-11.5 lbs (1.1lbs lighter than the Miata standard 6UL)

-Total redesign of an existing wheel for less weight, but MORE strength/ stiffness/ impact resistance

-One of five sets in the world (meaning you're paying for exclusivity, but more importantly it costs a fortune to custom make a short run wheel like this)


Call Emilio and ask him to make you a 5 set run of a custom size/ offset/ face 6UL and see what he says. If he doesn't laugh in your face, I bet you'll pay most of what these cost for them, and he won't be able to spend the time on them, even at that price, that it would take to safely engineer and test them to take a full pound out of them.


This is by no means an attack on 949 or Emilio, merely using him as an example. I've owned 6ULs and bought from 949 in the past, and would happily do so again.

Why make a 5 set run of something that had so much time and research put into it? Why be so exclusive? How is that helping anything? Why don't they make cheaper wheels that are maybe not so amazing so we can support the big companies that do all the design and research? I'd be happy to buy from them if they had something in my price range. I don't need 11.5lbs. I don't race my miata. I would however like a decent set of wheels. And I will buy from whomever can supply me with them.

No company will ever automatically get my business with the mindset of "we must buy from them because if we don't they will go out of business". That isn't business then. I buy from a company for a few reasons. Customer service, good product, good price, supporting the community. There might be more but that is what comes to mind.

They obviously didn't think there was enough money in a 4x100 15x8 mid offset wheel to warrant a full run. It's a pretty well covered market.

Like I said before, I wouldn't buy a $2000 set of wheels either. I also wouldn't buy a $400 set of knockoffs when you can buy 15x8 +32 Kosei K1s $149/wheel new.

How do you (vehicular) feel about knock offs that are of better quality than the originals? Such as Touge Run and their front lips.

As a person who owns a business creating one of a kind and very limited run series metal objects, I can say that despite the fact that there are hundreds of knockoff jewelry manufacturers in Asia there still remains a client base willing to spend more on something "original", so I don't think the idea that the originator will go out of business is much of a worry. What the original design firms bring to the market is a (hopefully) exceptionally well designed/engineered item that holds more value than any knockoff and is still sought after for that reason. Anything made as a knockoff WILL compromise something to get the same look...quality, exclusivity, design purity, etc. Would I be pissed off if I saw one of my designs in an ad, or on the finger of a person for whom I didn't make it? Sure, but that's just how any market works. That just means I need to keep innovating, which will in turn keep bringing me more clients.

As a jeweler, if someone comes to me and says "Hey can you make this ring I saw in the magazine?" my response is 99% of the time "No, but I can design something for you that has that same feeling and is uniquely yours". But, in light of there being so fucking many pieces of jewelry out there, I will recreate a piece if it has reached the threshold of "common", so to speak. If I can look in a dozen magazines, catalogs, and trade publications and see virtually the same design in ads in all of them, then I have no problem with that. And on the same idea, I think that there is such a huge variety of designs within the aftermarket wheel market that many designs have reached that threshold, not the least of which is anything that falls into the "mesh" group, which began waaay back with wire wheels.

I give CCW huge props for making great wheels, but at a pricepoint I'll never justify and on a design basis that's frankly been done over and over and over again. So I would absolutely run the cheap ones.

Wut. WHERE?

I was under the impression they weren't making those anymore.

They look killer on CWs 550 but they look just as pimp on some C5s. Loose some lip though.
http://www.autobahnpower.com/images/FikseC5FM5_18TP.jpg
Way better lookin than those knock offs you got pusha.

Although some Kinesis
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1385/dsc1276e.jpg
or some ccw 505s
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49...te/CCW0082.jpg
or some classics are pretty pimp too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC00067-1.jpg

Replaced barrels for a guy on a set of 18x10/12 CCW classic (track version) for his c5 z06 they were so sexy and light. his 18x12 was probably half the weight of my 17x9.

Posts like these make me want to buy more knockoff parts and track the crap out of them. While the people buying these parts sit in a parking lot playing with each others balls.

Work isnt loosing alot of business to rota. Every industry is like this. Still have yet to see harbor freight run snap on out of business.

And how come work cant come out with a budget friendly line, if they are worried about loosing business to a cheaper manufacturer, they easil;y have the resources to manufacturer cheaper wheels, rebrand them or even sell them under the same brand. Companies do this all the time, even wheel companies. Pretty common for the high end guys, make a speciic wheel with few options for a specific fitment and drop price. Or go way cheap to cast wheels and market them under a different brand. If Maxxim is still around they are an example.

A good company shouldn't loose sleep over cheap knockoffs, if thats all they are, now if someone has started making the same part, the same quality, etc etc for less, well your boned, and its your fault. Have to differentiate yourself to show the reason for higher price or drop your price. Same in every industry.

I was going to describe what I'm working with atm, but I just walked outside and took a pic instead:

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It had a better stance before I switched to 315/30R18 Kumho Ecsta XS in the rear but I have traction now so that's good. I don't want to lower it any more than it already is because the last time I did it was a pain in the ass around town.

Once I get my Miata going, I'll likely order CCWs or Fikses. IDK if I wanna go with chrome or not though, I don't really care for black.

Knockoffs are knockoffs. When a company is capable of making a higher quality part than the competition, but doesn't have the design/ engineering capability or the creativity to come up with their own product, that's the worst kind of shame. Touge Run is taking money directly out of the pockets of Garage Vary. They bought a GV lip, sent it to China, and are now selling a DIRECT copy. Shameful.

There are exceptions to this, of course. When a part had been discontinued (Arrows S2000 flares, for example), or is incredibly difficult to get ahold of, (rharris's Mazdaspeed N2/ Tuckin99 flares), or any factory bodywork is more than fair game.




Tirerack still had them listed for sale until a few weeks ago. I bought mine from a buddy who bought them in the summer, so there have to be sets floating around. If you really want a set, I'd be happy to sell mine.



Nobody said you couldn't go fast on Chinesium. I said you shouldn't. Further, if the $200 difference in a set of legit wheels means the difference between finishing your track day car/ getting track time, and not, you obviously shouldn't be throwing money down the track day drain in the first place.




Rays' has the Gram Lights line. Work's Emotion line is significantly cheaper than most of their other stuff. The problem is that when you have to actually incur engineering, design, prototyping, and validation costs, you have to charge the customer for them. Think about the costs in tooling to prototype a forged wheel. Or the costs to have the JWL test and validate them. What about the cost to redesign them for a little less weight if they totally smash the tests, and you can save the customer another half pound, or worse, if one of your engineers forgets to carry a one, or gets too close on a factor of safety someplace and they're not safe?

When Rota buys a TE37V (or more likely looks at one in a magazine ad) and just CADs up a quick copy and sends it to China with no testing, no validation, no costs involved at all, they can charge $89 per wheel because it doesn't really cost them anything. They had to pay one guy for an afternoon's work to draw the parts in Solidworks, and a tool and die maker in Taiwan to make a casting jig/ mold. Then they just happily mold the JWL logo into the rim with no repercussions, as Taiwan has no legal punishment for copying another country's Engineering Standards markings.

Where did you get the OE Wheels?
Stock power?

I dont think CCW or Fikse do a chrome finish. Im pretty sure its all polished/machined. Fikse has some new finish called chroma but Im pretty sure its just bad ass polishing.

Fikse does some finish that resembles gunmetal, cant remeber the name of it though.

What are you running up front?

Ive alwasy liked the invo for vette fitments.

Thats why I said if the knockoff is of similar qaulity and cheaper its their own fault. You just explained why Volks are more. Your talking about less weight and stronger wheels "allegedly." (I have seen rotas put through some abuse.) Hence the higher cost.

And dont start with the if 200...blah blah blah. people have to use whats available to them. Id rather see someone using whats available to them to pursue their hobbies, then not at all because they cant afford some volks. There isnt a certain point at which you become entitled to race. Even if they are buying cheap rotas they still bring money to the sport, and more money/awareness brought to the sport helps everyone.

Also why is stock bodywork any different, it takes money away from the OEs? You have all the rules about you can knock off oes but not Work, or you cant race if you dont have 200 bucks to piss away, etc etc etc.

Its called competition, and in economics its a good thing (and yes its a good thing in wheel manufacturing also). A good company needs to stay ahead of it, if they cant let them die.

Those are C6 Z06 replicas in OEM C5 Z06 sizes. They are of better quality than most reps I've seen and I have matching center caps, so that's good.

I once tried to put my dad's C6 Z06 wheels on my car but I'd have to remove the ducting to install the rears so I gave up.

As far as power goes, I'm sitting at right about 415-420 wheel on a dynojet but the car is really rich.

Mods that I can remember:

• Thunder Racing 230/224 camshaft
• TPIS Long Tubes
• TPIS ported intake manifold
• Vararam intake
• Kooks (?can't remember) catted x-pipe
• Stock Ti exhaust
• MGW shifter
• Some impossible clutch (Spec 3+ or something)
• Factory lowering kit (!!!!!!!!!!stance!!!!!!!!!!)

The car moves pretty dece.

To drive, would you prefer a 250hp miata, or the corvette?

Driving how? I like driving my Z06 a lot but it's a huge pain in the ass around town and the cabin gets extremely hot. I've put a ton of thought into selling the car in favor of a Supra but, to be honest, I couldn't ever find another as clean as it is and as well documented.

I mean like performance driving. Don't you have A/C?

yes, the car has A/C but I put down my windows so all the haterz can see me

also, it cam surges like a mofo with a/c on

Get a fuckin tune, Ive got a bigger cam, and I only get surge below 1500rpm. I need to do some touch up on the tune but Im lazy.

Ive seen Trex cammed cars with a spot on tune, that didnt drive much worse than stock, and a buddy of mine has a similar cam in his goat and after he worked on the tune alittle he has zero surge and can litteraly cruise art 1300 rpm smooth as silk.

If your worried about cabin temps, lay down some deadening. My floor gets hot because of the headers and trans, deadening stopped it.

I'm going to pay Jeremy Formato to tune the car next time he's down here.

We should make this a "fake wheels with somewhat decent weights and usuable width's/offset's" thread.

VarrsToen TE-37 replicas now in 15x9 +25. I read that they are around 16lbs which is, of course, not perfect for a track car, but I would definitely rock these all day. The 15x8's are also bomb diggity.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332552094
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332552094

The CCW reps on the first page are still not shipping out because the pre-order has been so insanely huge. People will most likely be getting them late April or May, lol.

+1 for knock offs.

Did you wake up one day and just decide to give up vagina, or have you been into penis for as long as you can remember? I'm just curious, because I can't conceive of a situation in which I wouldn't be attracted to women, but you're obviously not turned on by them at all...

The tunnels get hot as fawk in the summer. Hot enough I insulated with fat mat AND home bubble insulation, plus added more insulation on the tunnel plate. Helped some, but it was still hot at events and around town.

Once the CCW knock offs come in 15x9's, they will be added as DD beat around wheels. Really thinking about a set of 15x8/15x9 stagger set of XXR's as the beat around wheels now. That could let me sell 4 of the 15x9 6UL's and buy 2 15x10's for the rear.

BTW- I'm proud to run the knock off DURABLE touge run front lip. Its scraped and beat on EVERYTHING and has held up like a champ. I'd be on my third stupid GV lip by now.

You were in a movie once

I'm really stoked for these wheels. They are 3 months(?) late for shipping out, according to ClubTurdster. I'm really thinking about picking up a set of the 8's.

I really want one of these. Garage Vary dug their own grave when they constantly ignored the requests for a lip that doesn't self destruct when sneezed on.

Touge Run stepped in and made a superior product. Kudos.