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Old 02-23-2010, 04:48 PM   #21
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I'm ready for SSD to drop in price. I need a fast SSD with decent capacity, but I'm not willing to spend so much.
I just put one of these in my new machine as the boot volume, with a standard 500GB drive as the data volume.

It's fast.
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< holding out for a nice sata3 80+gig to run the os on.

God i wish i was baller enough to buy one for my favorite fps's files.
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My 10krpm raptor drive pretty much loads most games instantly. I love being the host on CODMW2 and loading the game about 10 seconds faster than everyone else, so I get about a 5 second head start, lot's of multikills on people trying to cap the first flag.

Also apparently sooooooome of you old men remember when things less than 80MB was a lot of space lol
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I just put one of these in my new machine as the boot volume, with a standard 500GB drive as the data volume.

It's fast.
I've been eyeballing the 80GB version for $220. I might just pick one up when I get Windows 7 in a month or two. 40GB would be just a little small for me. I'd also like Sata 3.0, so I may hold off until I build another machine. Just finished this one about 9 months ago, so I'm sure a new build will only be a year down the road. By then SSD should be a fair bit cheaper for more volume. Damn standards keep changing too often. Seems like Sata 2.0 was just the big thing a few days ago... same for PCI-e 3.0... I JUST GOT A 2.0 COMPATIBLE MOBO DAMN IT!
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Ive been doing a few upgrades to the main rig, planning on eventually using current parts plus 4 new hdd's to build a more than capable server after the upgrade is complete.
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How far are we going back?

Cool, I owned that or a similar unit. Was plugged into my TRS-80 Model 4. Which had 2 5 1/4" floppy disks too.

The height of cool with my Model 4 was getting Zaxxon to play on it. Then it ate the disk and that was the end of that. I connected my first 300baud modem to that bad boy too.
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It's killing me having slightly outdated hardware. I think I'm going to wait though. I want a 5870 GPU so bad I can't stand it, but I'm thinking with PCI-e 3.0 in the middle of this year the manufacturers will rush to design another new flagship GPU to support the new standard. I also can't stand that when I built my machine DDR3 was still costly and lower speeds than are standard today. My CPU is nearly AMD top of the line, but was outdated by the 955 and recently the 965 AM3. Only thing I will be reusing will be the PSU (860W PC Power & Cooling, bad *** unit), DVD drive and HDD's. Here comes another $1000 I don't need to spend.
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I'm anxiously awaiting 10+TB hard drives in the 100-150$ range.. hopefully not too far off.
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I would imagine those drives taking a bit of time for read/write ... especially if non partitioned. lol I may be wrong but i just cant see a drive be cheap and realistically be able to read/write with decent speeds on a disk that crammed with info.

Its raid for my future.. Im thinking 4 x 1tb drives with decent speeds. More than even my server will probably ever use.
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In the $150 range, probably 6 years. Actually no, forget that. I don't think 10TB will happen and be affordable with platter drives. If it does, it will be a bit longer than 6 years. Not even sure when SSD will show up with larger volumes in a realistic price. 512GB SSD's are still like ~$1500-$2000. But ****, 800MB/s read and write would be INSANE!

I meant to ask, how do you like those Rosewill docking stations? How is the transfer speed? I've been thinking about one. They are hot swappable aren't they? I wish I had an easier option for old PATA standards. I have an adapter but it only works when it wants to, which is not very often. I have 4 or 5 old non SATA drives I'd like to be able to get data from and maybe even use for super duper redundant storage, since I already have 3 layers of backup.

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I cut my teeth on computers using punch cards and tape. Haven't seen any punch tape for about 25 years.
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I would imagine those drives taking a bit of time for read/write ... especially if non partitioned. lol I may be wrong but i just cant see a drive be cheap and realistically be able to read/write with decent speeds on a disk that crammed with info.

Its raid for my future.. Im thinking 4 x 1tb drives with decent speeds. More than even my server will probably ever use.
They are surprisingly fast. Mine are the Blue models, and slightly smaller volume, but the 1TB Green drives are quick. Not going to see Raptor speeds out of it, since it's only a 7200, but for typical use, it's enough for 90% of people.
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I cut my teeth on computers using punch cards and tape. Haven't seen any punch tape for about 25 years.
You're age is showing...
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Ah you kids...

First computer I bought had 1K of RAM and 4K or ROM.

I give you the Sinclair ZX-80...


Still have it in a box somewhere, fully "functional".

As for big computers I spent the first 11 yrs of my work career in IT working with mainframe systems, first one of those I used (a Honeywell 2200) used a teletype to communicate with you, though it was a dinosaur even then (~1980).
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I would imagine those drives taking a bit of time for read/write ... especially if non partitioned.
What, 10TB drives?

Assuming that platter count and spindle speed remain the same, and a 5x increase in areal density is achieved, then I'd think the performance of the drive would be roughly identical to a modern unit for random reads, and somewhat faster for sequential reads.

With a servo head motor, a seek halfway across the disk should take the same amount of time, regardless of whether it's passing over 10,000 cylinders or 50,000. (Assuming the physical size of the disk to be a constant- I don't see the 3.5" form factor going anywhere for a while.)

For a bona-fide sequential read or write, throughput should improve as sectors are now passing under the head at 2.5x the rate at which they would on a 2TB drive (assuming that the increase in areal density is evenly distributed in both axis.)

I can't imagine how partitioning would have any effect whatsoever.


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I cut my teeth on computers using punch cards and tape. Haven't seen any punch tape for about 25 years.
Never actually got to use cards or paper tape during their heyday. Closest I can claim is that the Marston library at UF still had a punch card in a pocket inside the cover of every book on their shelves, though even those were being phased out in favor barcodes when I got there.

First storage medium I used was cassette, followed by 8" and 5.25" floppy. I may still have my "double sided hole punch" somewhere...
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I meant to ask, how do you like those Rosewill docking stations? How is the transfer speed?
I've been transferring at about a gig per minute. Not super fast, but acceptable. I'm moving 800gb worth of HD stuff onto one of them and it's going fast.

Newegg had mixed reviews, lots of supposed DOA. I have two and both work flawlessly. The power cable where you plug it in is pretty long (1"x2.5") so it takes up a lot of space on the power strip if the outlets face the wrong way.

They seem solid and based solely on my experience I would recommend them.
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I've been transferring at about a gig per minute. Not super fast, but acceptable. I'm moving 800gb worth of HD stuff onto one of them and it's going fast.

Newegg had mixed reviews, lots of supposed DOA. I have two and both work flawlessly. The power cable where you plug it in is pretty long (1"x2.5") so it takes up a lot of space on the power strip if the outlets face the wrong way.

They seem solid and based solely on my experience I would recommend them.
Plug on the base feel solid? That is what always worried me the most, plug in the cable for the first time (assuming the cable is removable from the base) and have the socket push in and fail. I guess those speeds are acceptable. I typically only transfer 250-300GB at a time, and it's not too often. I might pick one up.
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I feel bad for not posting the deal up when they had it on newegg, .

With a standard HD size it's pretty hard to eff up the pins for the sata. Power and the USB is detachable from the base station. There is a cover that flips up or down that keeps dust/foreign objects from getting in when not in use. Feels quality to me.
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You should feel bad! BAD!
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Ah you kids...

First computer I bought had 1K of RAM and 4K or ROM.
I sold my 16K Heathkit H89 a few years back on Ebay for $700. Horrible investment (I think I paid $1500 for it). I guess I should have bought some MSFT instead <G> (would have probably been worth MILLIONS of $$$ by now).





I can remember getting my first 300 baud modem. Was a shame because there was no one to call. I did the old war dialer thing just trying to connect with anyone. Was pretty interesting what you could get into back then.


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