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TurboTim 07-24-2013 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1036234)
that was an issue in the 2008 WRX. they made a handful of improvements for 2009, including a new suspension and turbo even...

Why did you get a 2008 knowing that information beforehand?

18psi 07-24-2013 01:04 PM

he got a '10 with all its much better features.

still complains tho.....

Efini~FC3S 07-24-2013 05:20 PM

Should have got an '11

The OEM widebody would surely have fixed this problem

Or maybe just looked 100x better...

kotomile 07-24-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1036186)
I wouldn't laugh too much. A fellow I work with has taken his Audi A-something in a couple of time for new firmware on the CVT, to better optimize the "shift points."

(Yes, this CVT attempts to emulate a planetary gearbox.)

That's the gayest shit. All of the weakness of a CVT without utilizing its one unique and/or redeeming feature.

And I'm sure it's in the name of appeasing the average brain-dead Starbucks-swigging mallrat who makes up its core demo who would be confused to death when the engine speed stopped climbing but the vehicle was still accelerating.

Joe Perez 07-24-2013 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 1036454)
That's the gayest shit.

It truly is gayer than FaeFlora at a Hell's Angel's rally. The first time we went out to lunch together in his car after he bought it, and he told me it had a CVT, I thought he was retarded (or had just been swindled.) Nope, did some research and found that it does, in fact, have a CVT.

Stein 07-24-2013 11:38 PM

My 335i is decent, very responsive when mashing it at any point, even in drive. It's even better in DS (sport) which basically only moves the low throttle application shift point to about 2700. I actually wish it was more linear on the bottom end. It's tough to take off from a stop sign in a normal, reasonable fashion unless really paying attention.

JasonC SBB 07-25-2013 11:24 AM

What I don't get despite how sensitive lots of throttle pedals are, such as the Camry, is how so many drivers accelerate at 0.0001 G when the light turns green. Especially Camrys! What, they manage to move the gas only 0.001 mm??

JasonC SBB 07-25-2013 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 1036454)
That's the gayest shit. All of the weakness of a CVT without utilizing its one unique and/or redeeming feature.

And I'm sure it's in the name of appeasing the average brain-dead Starbucks-swigging mallrat who makes up its core demo who would be confused to death when the engine speed stopped climbing but the vehicle was still accelerating.

I suspect the majority of drivers don't even realize actually RPMs rise with road speed.

Braineack 07-25-2013 11:27 AM

I drove a murano with CVT, I didnt mind it. i thought it was smooth and kept the rpms around 4K through accerlating and kept it in a very nice sweet spot of tq.


i keep reading and reading and reading about tuning the DBW maps for my rex and still come away dumber than i started.

thenuge26 07-25-2013 11:30 AM

Simple solution. Don't put a tach on the CVT cars.

Braineack 07-25-2013 11:31 AM

oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big ass digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.

18psi 07-25-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1036650)
What I don't get despite how sensitive lots of throttle pedals are, such as the Camry, is how so many drivers accelerate at 0.0001 G when the light turns green. Especially Camrys! What, they manage to move the gas only 0.001 mm??

Many newer cars, like our prius and subaru sti's, actually have adjustable throttle maps the driver can select.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374766430

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374766430

Braineack 07-25-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1036662)
oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big ass digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.


case and point:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374769659

this car displays the MPH in a quick, easy to read digital format that takes up about 1x1". Great, but why also have an analog gauge?

also, why does the driver need coffee?

Braineack 07-25-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1036662)
oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big ass digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.


case and point:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374769663

this car displays the MPH in a quick, easy to read digital format that takes up about 1x1". Great, but why also have an analog gauge?

also, why does the driver need coffee?

18psi 07-25-2013 01:13 PM

If you're not driving flat out, you need coffee

:dealwithit:

y8s 07-25-2013 02:22 PM

brain: it's "case in point"

Braineack 07-25-2013 02:27 PM

i presented a case, and a point.

I did more reading, I'm going to reevaluate my DBW mapping.

Joe Perez 07-25-2013 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1036698)
also, why does the driver need coffee?

That image is taken from a Mercedes C-class. The icon indicates that the "Attention Assist" system is active.

If you weren't so poor and Irish, you could afford a Mercedes, and then you'd know about such things.

Here's a video explaining it:




Here's a link to PDF of the owners manual for an M-class, which has a similar computer configuration. The system is described beginning on page 230.

http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...13_M_Class.pdf



TL,DR: Search, newb.

triple88a 07-25-2013 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1035586)
lol you make it sound like you go wot, wait a few days, then the car moves.

drama llama:laugh:

Theres about half to a second delay.

Braineack 07-25-2013 05:38 PM

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okay, i revisited the DBW maps.


Here's OEM:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374788308


Here's what I had:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374788308


Here's what I'm going to try:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374788308


There's a method to it all, but I can't brain enough to regurgitate it.


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