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Old 01-17-2008, 12:04 PM   #1
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3.2l, obviously ITB's, 6-speed close ratio box, MegaSquirt, Schrick 272 cams, 8500rpm...and fwd plus unreliable.

That would be a sick motor in a real car. People are also punching those 3.2's out to 3.5l.
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I may be wrong, but I thought the R32s were AWD? Or is that only certain years? I remember an article a while back saying they could be either or. Just don't know a ton about VWs.
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R32 = AWD

VW = Unreliable

VW + AWD + Megamods =

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I may be wrong, but I thought the R32s were AWD? Or is that only certain years? I remember an article a while back saying they could be either or. Just don't know a ton about VWs.
that's an r32 motor (mk4 generation) in a mk3 car.
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varying length trumpets mean what exactly? half the motor is torquey and half is for high hp?
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i do like how clean the engine bay is though
i have a sweet spot for veedubs, i learned how to drive on a 5spd diesel MkII 4 door, the thing was so slow that my dad trusted me to drive it by myself around the neighborhood (in europe) at age 12...
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varying length trumpets mean what exactly? half the motor is torquey and half is for high hp?
So the air vortices on each trumpet don't interfere with the one next to it.

I think the builder was being a bit optimistic to think this engine will be sucking enough air for that to be a major consideration...it's something you're more likely to see on 8.0L Can-Am cars...
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So what if it is FWD? I've seen lots of people having fun racing FWD cars in the classes those fall into. Even a certan Miata multi national champ has a FWD rally car and that is no less fun than his heavy modified Miata ...
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i suppose its because of how the VR6 cylinder head is, the pasages for the second row cyl are longer i think so they make the trumpets for those shorter
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I'd race anything provided to me.

back on subject - I thought the vr6 was fairly reliable engine? or is that only after build job on it?
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I'd race anything provided to me.

back on subject - I thought the vr6 was fairly reliable engine? or is that only after build job on it?
machanically, the motor is rock solid. Its the transmission and electronics around the motor which are pathetic. At this point in modern machine work, its pretty tough to screw up an engine mechanically. I mean hell, my TT coupe had 3 coil packs in 18 months, among numerous other things I won't get in to.
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The problem isn't the FWD, it's the RWD sackriding wanna be race car drivers that refuse to learn to drive them correctly.
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The problem isn't the FWD, it's the RWD sackriding wanna be race car drivers that refuse to learn to drive them correctly.
LMAO, they finally unbanned you and you spit that out... Hmmmm, I see a banning in your future.

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I'd race anything provided to me.

back on subject - I thought the vr6 was fairly reliable engine? or is that only after build job on it?
erm, the VR6 motor on my friends was 12 valves.. 12.
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LMAO, they finally unbanned you and you spit that out... Hmmmm, I see a banning in your future.

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I'll defend FWD race cars to the death, if that means I'll get banned that's fine. They're not ideal but they can and often are competitive and fast.
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erm, the VR6 motor on my friends was 12 valves.. 12.
They made them in 24v versions as well. Not sure when the switch happened, but I owned a 2003 VR6 GTi, which was 24v.

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erm, the VR6 motor on my friends was 12 valves.. 12.
and how many valves did I say?

I agree, fwd is not ideal for making a fast race car. That said, it's usually the fast car in most classes when the club racing weekend wraps up. Why? Because they out number most rwd options, and (I believe) have competition adjustments to compensate for the disadvantages INHERIT with fwd. All things being equal on a dry track, rwd will win.
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I still don't get how some people call that a V6 motor.... intake on one side and exhaust on the other = in-line 6... i dont give a **** if the cylinders aren't in a dead straight line.
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and how many valves did I say?

I agree, fwd is not ideal for making a fast race car. That said, it's usually the fast car in most classes when the club racing weekend wraps up. Why? Because they out number most rwd options, and (I believe) have competition adjustments to compensate for the disadvantages INHERIT with fwd. All things being equal on a dry track, rwd will win.
I think in some cases FWD cars are advantageous. Mostly for autocross because

1. They are lighter than RWD cars
2. Their weight distribution is usually effective in making the car rotate
3. They have less drivetrain loss
4. You can fit all of your extra tires in the hatch

In STS and STS2 there's no clear winner between FWD and RWD cars, for example. That being said RWD is better, but mainly on larger courses and with cars that have a lot of power.
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I still don't get how some people call that a V6 motor.... intake on one side and exhaust on the other = in-line 6... i dont give a **** if the cylinders aren't in a dead straight line.
Well the cylinders are in a V, though it's very narrow.



There's also the VW W8 engine, another odd duck for sure.

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