Shifting techniques. Which is "best"?
 

Hey guys,

I am fairly new to the forum (second thread!!) and I have been pondering this and Googling this for some time, and just cannot find enough information about it. I'll break this down into two parts:

1. What different shifting techniques are there?
2. Which shifting technique is "best"?

These are the terms I have heard of: Granny shifting, Double clutching, Power shifting, Rev matching, Clutch-less shifting...

And this is what my (n00b) knowledge is:

Double clutching: Lift gas, depress clutch, remove from gear (neutral), release clutch, perhaps rev-match(?), depress clutch, put into gear, release clutch with gas.

Power shifting: Depress clutch without lifting from gas, remove from gear, slam into next gear, release clutch.

Clutch-less shifting: Lift gas, wait for revs to drop to match next gear, slam into gear, bag on the gas.

Granny shifting: Something Vin Diesel was told to say to sound knowledgeable...?

So... basically, I'm interested in knowing what the "best" way of UPshifting is. I know that the "best" can be objective, so let's forget about saving your clutch and think about increasing laptimes, control, acceleration, etc etc...

Comments? Opinions? N00b slaughter?

push in clutch, select gear, release clutch, continue down road.

You need to get a heavier shift knob. Just blip the accellerator and slam that bitch through the gates. Best way. No clutch or syncrhos. My friend can machine you a 8 pound knob.

^I've got one of those in my pants.

This man is wise beyond his years and you would be smart to listen to him.

Interesting... a heavier shift knob.

Wouldn't I still need to wait for my revs to drop before slamming the car into the next gear either way?

No. With a weighted knob, the extra force is enough to push through the gate without worrying about the revs. You'll be all good.

Holy crap that's cool.

Would that be a problem with a short shifter? Since, theoretically, the shorter shaft (moar slaughter?) would have less torque or whatever? Orrr, would the sheer weight of the knob be enough to do it?

Also, I know I said not to worry about it but now that I have my answer, would that be balls on the tranny?

Well technically you could get a taller shift knob that has weight bias towards the top. That way you correct the shortening of the handle.

As for tranny damage, everything should be fine but I don't have the technical knowhow to explain it. I'll let someone else step in.

Perhaps I should be looking into a heavier shift knob. I had no idea the knob would make such a big difference.

How much would something like that run me, anyway?

probably anywhere from 40 to 140
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james barone - http://jamesbaroneracing.com/Shift_Knobs/5SPD/index.htm
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and anything in between

PS. Thanks for all your help.

A heavier knob makes all the difference in the world, just ask your Mom.

Dead link.

Good to know.

I was hoping this would be a serious thread.

As was I.

It's something that I've been honestly trying to figure out for the longest time, probably ever since hearing the term "Double-clutching" and "Granny-shifting" from the good old, original The Fast and The Furious. The most my searches ever turned up were useless videos about some "awesome" driver doing some "awesome" power shifting in his 900hp Skyline... :(

Perhaps anyone else have anything constructive to add to the thread?

replace transmission with cvt

See Post#2 and close thread.

Why did I even click this...

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You need to go old-school, because that's exactly what this technique is... old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8rPx3BXNqw#t=8m20s
@ 8:27 you can hear Steve double-clutch the Mustang going from 2nd to 3rd and then again from 3rd to 4th. That Mustang is a 1968 390GT with a toploader 4spd transmission. Old american cars did not have great synchros in the transmissions and it was a bastard to get the inputs shaft and the gearset spinning at the same speed for smooth shifting on the high end. Craptons of torque will do that. This is accomplished by spinning the motor up in whatever gear, shifting to neutral and letting the clutch out while keeping the RPM's up, then quickly shifting into the next higher gear. It spins the shit out of the secondary gear set so it will match speed better with the input. It requires some skill and experience to get it right. I used to do this in my 5.0 swapped/toploader trans'd '66 Mustang.

You drive a miata, its not really an issue with a modern trans and our power levels.

^^ BTW: Not exactly a credible source for much of anything

The heavy knob essentially lets you drive the car like it has dog rings.

Instructional video for shifting and pretty much all things racing.

granny shifting = shifting slow like your grandma shifted your gramps 3 on da tree old truck.
thread fail = what you've done here
newb fail = you posting about something you heard on a gay, fake ass movie.
next you'll be asking about a "motec system exhaust"

Glorious! lol

In all seriousness though a heavier knob is nice. Miatas have pretty nice transmissions so just shift normal. Do the same thing except faster if you're racing.

Some people think GP is the best way, but I'm more of a standard guy myself. Just put pressure on the shifter as you quickly get off and back on the throttle, and It'll move to the next gear seemingly by itself.

Ok, I have to say something here, as I'm not sure whether UnknownPerson has caught on.

They are pulling your chain.

Within the context of this thread (and this whole forum, actually) ((and, for that matter, most of the English-speaking world)) knob = penis. And neither the mass of your cock nor the weight of the semi-spheric object attached to the end of the shift lever is going to make a hell of a lot of difference here.

For the record, assuming you have a stock gearbox and anything resembling a stock clutch, "granny shifting" is a perfectly acceptable driving technique. Release throttle & depress clutch, select new gear, release clutch & depress throttle.

If you didn't already know this, then I'm a Sad Panda. If you did already know this, and, noting that you have a postcount of eleven, I find after hitting "Submit Reply" and then doing a simple search that your eleventh post is in the ForSale section and all posts preceding it having been simpleminded exhortations of great wind and no substance, then you will not long thereafter find yourself a Sad Panda as well.



EDIT: I find the manner of your posts to be in order. You are a Tranquil Panda. :D

No. That's why you want the biggest heaviest knob possible. You need that extra weight so the gear selector annihilates everything in it's path.. You know you're doing it right when you go to change the tranny fluid and it looks thick and creamy. Pearlescent.

This here is an autox-spec shift knob. It's only 5 pounds though so it's no good for drifting or other real racing.

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noob slaughter :)

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Knob + Penis = Shift knob
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*I don't know if this pic is "ok" or not, but I passed up one that was worse so I haz some desecration

OP is gonna put his fist through the heater core. :laugh:

yeah I start clutchless shifting when I get tired of using the clutch, easier to do it up gear than down gears.

Lol, just drive the damn car already.

I'm going to be driving her up island this weekend, first time on a real highway :) Still have yet to really face off with anyone... except a horribly riced out Tiburon :facepalm:... so this should, hopefully, prove to be an interesting weekend.

Have you ever driven a car before?

One with a manual gearbox?

I don't mean for that to sound degrading, I'm just really curious. If you were asking about heel-tow shifting or rev-matching on downshifts, then a serious conversation might have ensued. But asking how to upshift (normally) is sort of tantamount to asking how to roll down the window.

Faeflora basically summed up the correct and proper way to shift. Get a heavy knob, preferably out of lead, and just SLAM those fuckers in. The harder/faster the better. If they don't go in fast enough, use your leg and kick it in. Your tranny will thank you for it. Also double clutching helps, but if it doesnt try double shifting.

Funny, because I was going to talk about down shifting techniques like heel-tow shifting and rev-matching (I actually removed that from my first post before actually posting) because I was more interested in alternate ways to upshift for the purposes of racing or just to minimize the time between shifts in particular cases - it wasn't meant to be a question about how to upshift normally. Perhaps a stupid question for someone who believes what he reads on the interwebs too easily?

I have only owned manual transmission vehicles (Grand total of 5). Not that anyone would be able to tell from my awesome thread.

The easiest way to upshift is to depress clutch --> move shift lever to next gear --> let out clutch. The fastest way to upshift is to do that same thing but faster.

/\ That's wrong. The proper way to do it is shift, depress clutch, then shift again

How could I have much such a silly mistake?! He's completely right

Holy crap! He is right... POWER SHIFTING? Pfffft, double shifting from now on... with a 10lbs orb on my short shift. Done.

For real, what about rev-matching and heel-toe downshifting? I try to rev-match as often as possible when down shifting but I have zero luck when attempting heel-toe, but I'm sure that's just because I need more practice.

What are your opinions and comments on both these techniques?

Also, once the cast-lead shift orb has been installed, you can slightly decrease your shift times for the 2->3 and 4->5 transition by slamming on the brakes the instant you depress the clutch. The inertia of the shift orb trying to maintain its forward velocity as the car slows down around it will add a small amount of additional force to what you'd be able to accomplish on your own using only both arms.

Achieving a similar effect on the 1->2 and 3->4 shift is rather more complicated, and requires the use of nitrous oxide and extremely good timing.

NOS ordered. Got one of the big tanks... on second thought, I'll make it two.

Where can I order the "good timing"? The NOS and Large Lead Orb store didn't carry any :S

Easy answer... Buy a dog ring sequential tranny. Only use the clutch to get going or come to a stop. Get laid... True story.

theres your shift knob
http://www.amazon.com/CAP-Barbell-50...uct/B003J9PT82

You rev-match when downshifting to accelerate or come to a stop?

Rev-matching when downshifting to accelerate makes no sense... let's play this out... depress clutch, pull out of gear, blip throttle/hold throttle, select new gear, release clutch, apply gas, wait for boost to build, accelerate. Just mash the throttle and let it out, or let it slip a little to build boost if you're a bit low in the rpm's, but to "rev-match" is fucking retarded.

Downshifting when coming to a stop... is your dick really that small?

Downshifting and when coming to a stop while watching the light for cross-traffic and trying to time your green is fine ... but there's no need to rev-match or hit every gear on the way down.

Bottom line, any time you blip your throttle on the street for any reason, you highlight yourself as either a child or a guy who can't get laid under any circumstance. Just drive "normal", and go read Post#2 again. If it's a crushing blow to your ego to just be another sheeple and shift normally, then perhaps the guys at CR.net can make you feel better. I'm telling you this for your own good.

Just think of it this way... start reading the posts of the very serious track-guys on this forum, the guys who have fully-built Miata racecars and are highly regarded as the experts... listen to the language they use and how they conduct themselves (Hustler notwithstanding) Do you think they rev-match, hit every gear, and heel-toe on the street?

What do you weigh?
Cause another idea is to thread your asshole and use your whole body as a shifter.
100+ lbs
Doesn't get much better than that

On the serious side of things, rev matching dose not have to be done "heel toe" on the track we do that because we need to maintain brake while shifting, there is nothing wrong with rev matching and down shifting with out the brake, If you are heel toeing out of necessity on the street I dont want to be anywhere near you. Rev matching is good for the tanny because it saves wear on the syncrows. In racing it keeps you from adding unnecessary load the the rear tires in out cars that could cause you to spin if you are trail braking.

Heh, not doing it out of necessity, just attempting out of curiousity.

shift how you normally shift but do it alot faster. you can practice shifting fast at low speeds so u dont hit rev limiter. you really only benefit from power shifting (no lift/ keep gas floored) if your turbo because you wont lose spool in your shift.

Keep the throttle pinned to the floor and powershift gears...


Unless you value your transmission.

I can\'t believe this thread is still going... But if you decide to go with the asshole idea, make sure you have the right thread pattern. Cross-threading wouldn\'t be a good thing.

I like to sneak up on the trans by going the opposite way it expects. It thinks I'm shifting up from redline in 3rd, I shift down!

Love curb!! :laugh:

::thinks back to the time I was in the car with an unnamed member of the Dallas MT crew during a game of White Miata Tag::

Fastest Way to go through gears like said is a heavier shift knob. BUT make it outta gold. (Weighs more/Look like a baller)

Also the miata gears are so close stock just go straight from 2nd gear redline to 5th.

Gotta love $150 5-speeds.