...because our motors are technological dinosaurs.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 361370)
...because our motors are technological dinosaurs.
'Tis not just a question of raw power, but instead reliable, repeatable application of power. - L |
my cousin had a built civic with a turbo the size of a grape fruit
it ran 14's all night long at the track at 127 miles an hour.......... |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 361370)
...because our motors are technological dinosaurs.
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Originally Posted by patsmx5
(Post 361407)
It wasn't designed to be a screamer. It's designed to be torquey and efficient. And cheap and reliable. Honda put a lot of $$$ into their motors back in the 80's.
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Originally Posted by mazda/nissan
(Post 361410)
efficient yes, a ka24e is a torquey motor but the miata engine not so much (maybe torquish would be a better adjective) . I do agree they are two different breeds though, and the Miata is a nice medium.
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Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 361401)
...and yet with 225-300 rwhp we can succesfully compete with "the big boys".
'Tis not just a question of raw power, but instead reliable, repeatable application of power. - L which cars are better for daily driving and street driving? miata, definitely. but once you compare topends, they will shit on us..plain and simple |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 361370)
...because our motors are technological dinosaurs.
Food for thought - the Miata came out in 1989-1990 (depending who you ask) with the best engine being a 1.6 iron-block I4, making around 116 bhp. Hondas best 1.6 at that time was an aluminum I4 making around 160 bhp and revving to 8k. Before anyone points out what a retard I am for DARING to compare the two, yes I know they are totally different, and that the B6 was designed before the B16A, and that the car you'd have to buy to get the B16A stock was not available in the US. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 361453)
...which cars are better for daily driving and street driving? miata, definitely. but once you compare topends, they will shit on us..plain and simple
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 361453)
I'd like to see a 225whp miata try to keep up with a gt35r honda on the highway.
Again, straight line is one thing; requirements for control and application of power vary upon the type of driving you are performing / comparing. - This is apples and oranges. If I (or most likely a majority of the members here) were simply interested in straight line trap speeds, I'd have built a V8 stroker in American Iron.
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 361453)
...and once you get to 130 your car will hit a brick wall while his will still pull like a freight train.
- L |
See we are arguing about completely different things. Apples to oranges as you said. You like the twisties, they like straight line performance. The only thing I was saying is that in a straight line a 225whp miata would get dominated by a gt3x honda. thats all
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Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 361583)
And I'd like to see the Honda keep within sight of the tail lights of a stock MSM on FM-337 between Vanderpool and Camp Wood. Or not be down a lap after a half dozen orbits at Hallet, Harris Hill or most other closed circuit.
- L |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 361688)
In my not-so impressive 60-ish hours of seat time, I've never been flogged by a fwd car in HPDE...at 94whp.
(I'm going to hate myself for asking this question...) So Hustler, where have you been flogged? :eek5: - L |
Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 361401)
...and yet with 225-300 rwhp we can succesfully compete with "the big boys".
'Tis not just a question of raw power, but instead reliable, repeatable application of power. - L By all means, come race me along with some of the other "big boys" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
no need to get nasty. He said twisties, not straight line remember.
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Originally Posted by Saml01
(Post 361157)
What I dont understand, is the spool on these turbos as bad as I think it is or do these configurations actually produce some sort of useable torque curve?
I just dont see the point in strapping a huge turbo, to a small engine, and not even making the power it was intended for. I could be wrong. |
no thanks
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