Small Displacement Motors 1000CC or less
 

I'm looking for a place that has small displacement motors (ie motorcycle engines) for sale. New motors are ok, ideally with integral transmission.

This is for my open wheeled racer, lets see those links.

ebay son

Absolutely ebay... or Craigslist for wrecked sportbikes. You might also see if there's a local sportbike club in your city with a website... there might even be a Motorcycle Salvage place near you.

Try this:
http://www.fullthrottlecycles.com/li...-Illinois.html
Here:
http://www.chicagomotorcycleguide.com/REPAIRS.HTM
Clubs:
http://www.chicagomotorcycleguide.com/CLUBS.HTM

VF500C/F can be found for a good price rev to 12-13K rpm without problem and with minimal, mods they make 70 or so whp. And the best part with integrated 6 speed tranny etc they all weight 140-150 lbs. :D

Yeah i know about ebay I was hoping to find a place that could supplyy me with a few of the motors.

Ill check craigslist, good call.

Loki-in my previous venture and attempt to make a living, i bought salvaged cars at insurance auctions...and i dont know how many bikes (all sorts) i've seen go for $400-500 with relatively low mileage, almost new bikes, less than 1-2 years old, people wreck them all the time, this may be your best bet...if you buy a whole bike (even wrecked), you may not have to fab as much stuff on your own to get to work right...
i've always wanted to make my own open wheel car and thats how i would approach the drivetrain
GL to you

Our formula SAE team uses R6 motors, another friend of mine used a GSXR 600 motor. Pretty sure they're both integral transmission, and they make good power. Hell you could even megasquirt them.

Thanks Whaa, i might do that. Did you need a dealer license for that?

Cjerigan, Im looking for a place to buy engines as for ECU micro/megasquirt for sure.

maybe...i remember doing a lot of fishy things to get by, your state may be different...when i lived in AK i didnt need anything but a reg. business license, which was free i believe, here in NC i had to pull some strings
do this if they require a license:
if you know someone that does it, offer them money to take you as a guest, if your nice they may not even charge you at all, i bought stuff for people before, they usually just gave me 50-100 bucks just as a good deed i guess
if you dont know anyone, well then you gotta get creative, and money talks,
GL i hope it works out for you
and 600 cc is good power, seen some 900's woa fast

find a motorcycle junkyard. we've got like 3 around here, usually filled with smashed 2 week-old sportbikes.

try to get a whole bike, you'll save a lot of time with all the little parts. plus you'll get the ecu and harness...why bother with a programmable ecu, most new bikes are all pretty much tuned to the nuts anyway.

Indeed. Down here in San Diego county we see a lot of young Marines purchasing brand new GSX-Rs, YZFs, ZXs, and CBRs, and then promptly attempting to violate Newton's first and third laws of motion with them.

Visit the motorcycle shops in your area and find out what happens to these bikes. Some smaller M/C shops even keep their own junkyard out back. The damage to these bikes tends to involve the frame and front suspension. Damage to the drivetrain is often little more than some scuffs and scrapes. Usually, any bike with signifigant frame damage (especially around the fork head) is written off. If at all possible however, try to obtain the damaged frame along with the engine- having the frame (with its associated numberplate) can be valuable if you ever have to deal with DMV. Not to mention getting your hands on all the electronic bits that Mach929 mentions. Aside from bypassing the kickstand switch, you can probably the use whole wiring harness as-is.

They are usually turned pretty shittily actually, plus that only works if you're leaving it stocked.

something to consider, and maybe you've already looked into it, but the oiling systems on MC engines are not designed for the lateral loads that car can generate. on a motorcycle, going around a corner basically keeps the oil in the pan and around the pickup due to leaning the bike over.

on a car, the oil will slosh pretty badly. back in my fsae days we did some testing and the engine loses oil pressure almost immediately when you enter a corner. we then took a few heads apart and found the camshaft bearing surfaces to be in absolutely horrible shape. this was on a cbr f4i engine.

you might want to invest in an accusump, or at least add some baffles to the oilpan.

a lot of good points, a motorcycle buys wrecked bikes from insurance co. so they can turn around and make money on them, therefore, you know you will pay more vs. buying it yourself...think this way, why does planet miata buy every wrecked miata on the east coast that they can get their hands on, im just trying to point you in the right direction if you want to go the cheap route...im an expert at that, lol
GL

To be honest I was sorta surprised you needed to study that

the judges always want a justification for why something was done. if we simply added an accusump the judges would be on our asses for not having any evidence to support the need. if we had nothing in place, they would ask us why we didn't have any safeguards against oil sloshing...

This is a problem particularly with the Hayabusa engine, which has led to the development of some very interesting (and very expensive) dry sump conversions.

On the other hand, the Kawasaki ZX series engines are reputed not to suffer from oil starvation on lateral loading, and are in fact used on the T-rex automobile. Simiarly, the BMW K-series engines have been widely used in the Grinnall Scorpion 3, again without modification to the oil system. Some have even turbocharged them.

the Kawasaki i knew, i also heard that the r6 was good too.

The BMW is good to know but the $$

easy fix, find an aprilia or similar with a dry sump engine.

windage tray ftw!

easy way around that is to tell them you went dry sump so you could lower then engine ~1.25" for a lower overall Cg. No study involved and it's hard to argue. That's how we did it. We ran F4is

I drove some basketball player's T-Rex (don't remember who it was, but supposedly he's some star :dunno: ). It was at 404 Motorsports and I was there with a friend who happens to hang out with a couple of the guys who work there. HOLLY FUCKING SHIT that thing is fun.

If you go with a GSXR motor, avoid 00 and 01 600 and 750. Weak trannies. You can add a power commander to nearly most modern FI sport bikes, and get pretty decent control over tune.

The T-Rex appeals to me, though I don't like the idea of buying a pre-built car of that nature. I want to create something. I still cast occasional glances at the Grinnall Scorpion, though I have one major problem with it. The BMW Paralever suspension does not lend itself to wide tires. Specifically, the side-to-side orientation of the driveshaft and R&P box is fixed relative to the engine, since it is the rear suspension member. Even on the new K1200S is this the case.

However I've wondered... What would happen if a person transplanted an FZ1 engine into one of the new Grinnall S3-K40 chassis? You'd have to build a custom swingarm and sprocket extension, but having done that one could conceivably fit a 335/30-18 tire back there.

Then, we just have to find a way to make it legal in SoloII A-modified. The only killer rule is on page 59 of the GCR, section 12.1:A crafty person might try to attach a fourth wheel to the vehicle, at the end of a retractable lever, which is lowered to the ground when at rest. A craftier person might point out to the tech inspector that none of the other cars at the event are in compliance with 12.1 either, since if their wheels are in contact with the ground then they must be in violation of 3.3.3 B-4, Safety:I mean, the ultimate would obviously be a Megabusa Westie, but this being California and all you can't register a car with a motorcycle engine.

600? Hmmph. 750? Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. Strong with the force are the liter-bikes. Luminous beings are they, not this crude matter. For my ally is the boost, and a powerful ally it is. The turbocharger creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. You must feel the boost around you. Here, between you, me, the piston, the crankshaft, everywhere, yes. Even between the tire, and the road.

But beware the ZX-14. Anger, Fear, naturally-aspirated Torque, the Dark Side are they. Once you start down the 1400cc path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Loki, do not underestimate the power of the boost. Or suffer your father's fate you will.

Joe, you are strange....lol

I have a Z1000, I want 1000 or below.

Make me an offer for my VF1000F. :D it's a complete running bike that I use daily but I am ready to upgrade. It is low mileage as well (less than 10k miles, probably around 6k or so to be honest.)

Carburated 120 HP & 70 ft/lbs torque
Mark

I offer you my SV650.

LOL, I need a liter bike, my fat ass is too heavy for a 650. Although if it were a newer SV650, I would be tempted in someways. I want a fuel injected bike.

Mark

It is an '06 model. Fuel injected. Starts and idles properly the first time every time.

550 Cash Right now.

i want one of those in the worst way. carb'd or FI, i don't care!

just recalled, a friend of mine has an older Honda liter bike that he bought needing work (it was dropped fairly hard) but it starts and runs fine. The frame is ok, but it's got lots of busted panels and shit. anyway, he's moving to Texas and is selling most of his project stuff... I'll get some info from him.

awesome thank you

If you weren't in washington i would give you 2K for it given good condition as you say it is. :vash:

Hey if you want to trade for an 84 VF1000F, let me know. LOL. My 1000F is not worth that kind of coin regardless of how well it runs.

Mark

LOL, you are about $1000-1500 shy of where I would need to be. I have more money in engine mods and stainless steel brake/clutch lines. FWIW, on a small race car MC brakes can be made to work pretty well. Still you might want to look on Ebay for a VF1000R motor as well. You can usually find the motor and tranny pretty cheap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-Ho...spagenameZWDVW


Mark

He sold it yesterday for $450.

Ah yes. It took a few minutes to register that the VF1000 family hasn't been made in a while. All I saw was the 1000. :cool:

Wait a sec. Your bike is an '84 has only 6k miles on it?

Get out there and RIDE, mofo! Only then, a Jedi will you be.
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Ya, I stole the sucker from a local lot with 4k on the bike for a 2003 Ninja 250 with 14k miles that I purchased the year before for 1850 with helmet. It runs pretty damn hard when I get on it.

Mark

Ok, so you claim you're too fat to be riding an SV650, and yet you had a 250R? I'm grappling with a bizarre mental image right now. :eek4:

there is a kid around my area who had an r6, he was 400+ easy. the damn thing was a low rider when he was on it.

LOL. I am 5'10" and 195#, remember it's not too bad, I am in the military.

Mark

Uhm, so what was up with

He probably hasn't done researched the sv650 alot of people just look at the displacement of a motor and nothing else. Never mind that most 883's only make like 50 whp, and most other harleys make less than 100 whp. Not to mentian the travisty of the vstar motorcycles, making a whooping 40 whp or so.

I am quite sure that the SV650 does not crank out 70 ft/lbs of torque or 120 HP. I am not trying to knock the SV650, I think it's a great motorcycle. It however only makes about 47 ft/lbs of torque and 72 HP. Sure that's a bunch more than the 18 ft/lbs of torque and 28 HP that the little Ninja 250 delivered but that poor little bike had only one throttle setting once I got a few miles under my belt and that was WOT. It's bad enough that I tend to get WOT quite a bit on the 1000, but not nearly enough to think I am addicted to the power. ;) LMAO.

I like the fact that the 1000 has nearly the ability to alter my perception of time and space. I am really considering a GSX-R 1000 as a replacement but I am not sure I want to give up the more upright riding position of the VF1000. The only detriment to owning the VF is that parts can be problematic to source at times. This is why I would consider the SV1000 as an alternative... I just wish they made a modern VF1000 (Or better yet a VF1200 :D). Unfortunately the current VF ,while a beautiful bike, is an overweight PIG. 80 HP and 550 Lbs at $11,799 seems a little stupid to me...I get get a GSX-R1000 for that money! The SV1000 is 8,699, and in my humble opinion a lot more bike. The more I look at the SV1000, the more I like it, I just fear it won't be as smooth as that big V4.

Mark

Mark, have you ridden a GSXR? I'd suggest trying a 750 before trying the 1000. I've done my fair share of riding both, and preferred (and owned) the 750. And I was faster on my 750 than my friends on their 1000's and 1300's.

It is *not* a comfortable bike. It *will* make you do lots and lots of sit ups though. And the 750 will alter your perceptions of speed and time in a way that your current VF can't even dream of.

Magna, you can't really compare 4 cyls to big twins so easily.

Actually in many ways I was leaning towards the 750, I prefer the slightly lower overall weight of the bike, I just have not had the chance to ride either.

I did have the chance to run side by side with a stock one. It was definately a very quick bike, easily quicker than my VF1000F and once in the powerband would own my VF. Actually it was funny, since I had so much torque down low I would own the 750, then the 750 would hit it's stride and own the VF1000 (although I might have been a bit of a pussy and let of the throttle a little early as the speed got real stupid, real fast!)

Mark

i bought my current bike almost 6 years ago, it's a 2000 cbr929rr. I specifically wanted this bike and searched for quite a while til i found a 2000 "millenium edition" in pearl white and red that was clean with low miles. Ironically i found it not to far away from a kid i went to high school with, he made me a great deal of 6500, it was clean with around 2500 miles, i never looked back. I've seen these bikes with 15000 miles selling for nearly what i paid for it back then. I think it's really funny sportrider has the dyno results of all the bikes and the 929 they got a hold must have been messed up. My bike with the flapper in the air box removed and full exhaust makes 70ft lb of torque and 138rwhp no power commander which will get me over 140 but it runs perfect right now, all while weighing in at 379 pounds dry. brand new bikes make more power but mine has been paid for for about 5 years and i see no reason to switch whatsoever, my bike is just exactly what i want. One of my best friends has an 03 gsxr1000, makes 152rwhp and i can barely tell the difference.

That being said all modern bikes are extremely capable and fast, pick your bike based on other factors. And buying used to me is a no brainer, i never hear of bikes just getting too many miles and breaking down. they all get totalled way before then.

The gsxr1000 has amazing low torque. That's the only place (IMO) it trumps the 750. The displacement advantage is a double edged sword though. It isn't condusive to 'teaching' a new sportbike rider how to properly pilot the cycle. It's also heavier. The 600 and 750 both rely on RPM more than displacement, so they have to spin up. The 750 is like the turbocharged miata of sportbikes, where the 1000 is a 5.0 miata. :)

My slightly worked and sproketed 750 was a blast. Nimble, reliable, cheap, quick, fast, dangerous, sexy, scarry, and amazing. Worth every penny of the $3 grand I sold it for, and then some. Except the moron who bought it busted the tranny on his ride home, but sometimes that's what happens when you pull up the front tire on the highway like a moron).

hmm that exactly why i like the bigger motors, more torque is just more fun to ride and accelerate hard even from the wrong gear. i will admit that mid corner and really snappy throttle response can get you hurt but you just learn it. my other friend has an r6 and we switched, i hated it, spinning the damn thing to 15k trying to keep up with what my 929 does at 7-8k without breaking a sweat

Wow, 3k, sounds like a steal. I could use some additional time learning to ride more confidently in the corners. I think part of it is the VF1000, I tend to fear how far I can push that little front wheel without it washing out and I tend to not want a bad case of road rash with a side order of broken bones. I've seen enough people busted up on bikes that I don't want to join that fraternity.

Call me a pussy but I really don't get everything out of the VF that it's capable of. This is where I think I am at right now, I believe that my two choices are the SV1000 and the GSX-R750. Since I don't ride on a track the SV1000 seems to make more sense to me. I love the technological wizardry in the GSX-R750 though... Makes me lust for an '07 in silver or the '08 in black (although I hate the new exhaust.) I think I would miss the torque of the bigger motor as Mach929 said.

Mark

my first bike a ninja 500, i rode it for one season and then jumped on my 929. i'm sure i never used my 500 to the limit but i instanly became a better rider with the 929. it was wearing modern rubber(120 front 190 rear, my 500 had 100f 120r) i had so much more confidence i was cornering better than ever. and the brakes we no comparison either knowing you can stop helps. I recently went to deals gap and did the best riding i have ever done, i can honestly say i'm a better rider after that trip, first time i ever consistently got to the edge of my 190tire.

have you guys ever ridden a 600supersport? i dont think i would want a bigger bike. i traded in my 02 zx9r on my 06 gsxr 600 and am glad i did. i weigh 250 and the 600 has more than enough power. it will bring up the front wheel in 1st or 2nd on command. i think i will stay with the 600cc bikes.

i've ridden few 600cc supersports, like the r6 i mentioned above. i just prefer more torque, they both get the job done and a 600 is still very fast. at 5k my 929 makes almost twice the tq as your 600. i'll bet some of the reason you like the 06 better than the 02 is that the 02 kawi was a little behind the times, my friend had an 01 zx9r and it was almost as fast as my honda but in every other aspect there was no comparison...except the seat, the kawi is much more comfortable than the honda.

It wasn't so much that my 250 was so slow, but it was the vibration the motor caused by being at 10000+ RPM all day long. I like the fact I can lope along at 80 MPH at 5,000 RPM. While not in the same league as a super sport, the RPM factor is still there.

Mark

all these inlines and no liter twins, yuck.

The SV is a liter V-twin.

v-twins are neat but i just don't like the sound, i can't get over that for some reason. some people love the sound, does nothing for me

the SV1000, all I've seen discussed is the SV650.

and IIRC the SV1000 is a rework of the TL1000 motor, it's nothing to write home about.