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Old 10-12-2007, 08:32 PM   #41
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Ok, so you claim you're too fat to be riding an SV650, and yet you had a 250R? I'm grappling with a bizarre mental image right now.
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there is a kid around my area who had an r6, he was 400+ easy. the damn thing was a low rider when he was on it.
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Ok, so you claim you're too fat to be riding an SV650, and yet you had a 250R? I'm grappling with a bizarre mental image right now.
LOL. I am 5'10" and 195#, remember it's not too bad, I am in the military.

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Old 10-12-2007, 09:33 PM   #44
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LOL, I need a liter bike, my fat *** is too heavy for a 650.
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He probably hasn't done researched the sv650 alot of people just look at the displacement of a motor and nothing else. Never mind that most 883's only make like 50 whp, and most other harleys make less than 100 whp. Not to mentian the travisty of the vstar motorcycles, making a whooping 40 whp or so.
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He probably hasn't done researched the sv650 alot of people just look at the displacement of a motor and nothing else. Never mind that most 883's only make like 50 whp, and most other harleys make less than 100 whp. Not to mentian the travisty of the vstar motorcycles, making a whooping 40 whp or so.
I am quite sure that the SV650 does not crank out 70 ft/lbs of torque or 120 HP. I am not trying to knock the SV650, I think it's a great motorcycle. It however only makes about 47 ft/lbs of torque and 72 HP. Sure that's a bunch more than the 18 ft/lbs of torque and 28 HP that the little Ninja 250 delivered but that poor little bike had only one throttle setting once I got a few miles under my belt and that was WOT. It's bad enough that I tend to get WOT quite a bit on the 1000, but not nearly enough to think I am addicted to the power. LMAO.

I like the fact that the 1000 has nearly the ability to alter my perception of time and space. I am really considering a GSX-R 1000 as a replacement but I am not sure I want to give up the more upright riding position of the VF1000. The only detriment to owning the VF is that parts can be problematic to source at times. This is why I would consider the SV1000 as an alternative... I just wish they made a modern VF1000 (Or better yet a VF1200 ). Unfortunately the current VF ,while a beautiful bike, is an overweight PIG. 80 HP and 550 Lbs at $11,799 seems a little stupid to me...I get get a GSX-R1000 for that money! The SV1000 is 8,699, and in my humble opinion a lot more bike. The more I look at the SV1000, the more I like it, I just fear it won't be as smooth as that big V4.

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Old 10-13-2007, 12:27 PM   #47
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Mark, have you ridden a GSXR? I'd suggest trying a 750 before trying the 1000. I've done my fair share of riding both, and preferred (and owned) the 750. And I was faster on my 750 than my friends on their 1000's and 1300's.

It is *not* a comfortable bike. It *will* make you do lots and lots of sit ups though. And the 750 will alter your perceptions of speed and time in a way that your current VF can't even dream of.

Magna, you can't really compare 4 cyls to big twins so easily.
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Mark, have you ridden a GSXR? I'd suggest trying a 750 before trying the 1000. I've done my fair share of riding both, and preferred (and owned) the 750. And I was faster on my 750 than my friends on their 1000's and 1300's.

It is *not* a comfortable bike. It *will* make you do lots and lots of sit ups though. And the 750 will alter your perceptions of speed and time in a way that your current VF can't even dream of.

Magna, you can't really compare 4 cyls to big twins so easily.
Actually in many ways I was leaning towards the 750, I prefer the slightly lower overall weight of the bike, I just have not had the chance to ride either.

I did have the chance to run side by side with a stock one. It was definately a very quick bike, easily quicker than my VF1000F and once in the powerband would own my VF. Actually it was funny, since I had so much torque down low I would own the 750, then the 750 would hit it's stride and own the VF1000 (although I might have been a bit of a ***** and let of the throttle a little early as the speed got real stupid, real fast!)

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i bought my current bike almost 6 years ago, it's a 2000 cbr929rr. I specifically wanted this bike and searched for quite a while til i found a 2000 "millenium edition" in pearl white and red that was clean with low miles. Ironically i found it not to far away from a kid i went to high school with, he made me a great deal of 6500, it was clean with around 2500 miles, i never looked back. I've seen these bikes with 15000 miles selling for nearly what i paid for it back then. I think it's really funny sportrider has the dyno results of all the bikes and the 929 they got a hold must have been messed up. My bike with the flapper in the air box removed and full exhaust makes 70ft lb of torque and 138rwhp no power commander which will get me over 140 but it runs perfect right now, all while weighing in at 379 pounds dry. brand new bikes make more power but mine has been paid for for about 5 years and i see no reason to switch whatsoever, my bike is just exactly what i want. One of my best friends has an 03 gsxr1000, makes 152rwhp and i can barely tell the difference.

That being said all modern bikes are extremely capable and fast, pick your bike based on other factors. And buying used to me is a no brainer, i never hear of bikes just getting too many miles and breaking down. they all get totalled way before then.
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The gsxr1000 has amazing low torque. That's the only place (IMO) it trumps the 750. The displacement advantage is a double edged sword though. It isn't condusive to 'teaching' a new sportbike rider how to properly pilot the cycle. It's also heavier. The 600 and 750 both rely on RPM more than displacement, so they have to spin up. The 750 is like the turbocharged miata of sportbikes, where the 1000 is a 5.0 miata.

My slightly worked and sproketed 750 was a blast. Nimble, reliable, cheap, quick, fast, dangerous, sexy, scarry, and amazing. Worth every penny of the $3 grand I sold it for, and then some. Except the moron who bought it busted the tranny on his ride home, but sometimes that's what happens when you pull up the front tire on the highway like a moron).
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hmm that exactly why i like the bigger motors, more torque is just more fun to ride and accelerate hard even from the wrong gear. i will admit that mid corner and really snappy throttle response can get you hurt but you just learn it. my other friend has an r6 and we switched, i hated it, spinning the damn thing to 15k trying to keep up with what my 929 does at 7-8k without breaking a sweat
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The gsxr1000 has amazing low torque. That's the only place (IMO) it trumps the 750. The displacement advantage is a double edged sword though. It isn't condusive to 'teaching' a new sportbike rider how to properly pilot the cycle. It's also heavier. The 600 and 750 both rely on RPM more than displacement, so they have to spin up. The 750 is like the turbocharged miata of sportbikes, where the 1000 is a 5.0 miata.

My slightly worked and sproketed 750 was a blast. Nimble, reliable, cheap, quick, fast, dangerous, sexy, scarry, and amazing. Worth every penny of the $3 grand I sold it for, and then some. Except the moron who bought it busted the tranny on his ride home, but sometimes that's what happens when you pull up the front tire on the highway like a moron).
Wow, 3k, sounds like a steal. I could use some additional time learning to ride more confidently in the corners. I think part of it is the VF1000, I tend to fear how far I can push that little front wheel without it washing out and I tend to not want a bad case of road rash with a side order of broken bones. I've seen enough people busted up on bikes that I don't want to join that fraternity.

Call me a ***** but I really don't get everything out of the VF that it's capable of. This is where I think I am at right now, I believe that my two choices are the SV1000 and the GSX-R750. Since I don't ride on a track the SV1000 seems to make more sense to me. I love the technological wizardry in the GSX-R750 though... Makes me lust for an '07 in silver or the '08 in black (although I hate the new exhaust.) I think I would miss the torque of the bigger motor as Mach929 said.

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my first bike a ninja 500, i rode it for one season and then jumped on my 929. i'm sure i never used my 500 to the limit but i instanly became a better rider with the 929. it was wearing modern rubber(120 front 190 rear, my 500 had 100f 120r) i had so much more confidence i was cornering better than ever. and the brakes we no comparison either knowing you can stop helps. I recently went to deals gap and did the best riding i have ever done, i can honestly say i'm a better rider after that trip, first time i ever consistently got to the edge of my 190tire.
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have you guys ever ridden a 600supersport? i dont think i would want a bigger bike. i traded in my 02 zx9r on my 06 gsxr 600 and am glad i did. i weigh 250 and the 600 has more than enough power. it will bring up the front wheel in 1st or 2nd on command. i think i will stay with the 600cc bikes.
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i've ridden few 600cc supersports, like the r6 i mentioned above. i just prefer more torque, they both get the job done and a 600 is still very fast. at 5k my 929 makes almost twice the tq as your 600. i'll bet some of the reason you like the 06 better than the 02 is that the 02 kawi was a little behind the times, my friend had an 01 zx9r and it was almost as fast as my honda but in every other aspect there was no comparison...except the seat, the kawi is much more comfortable than the honda.
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It wasn't so much that my 250 was so slow, but it was the vibration the motor caused by being at 10000+ RPM all day long. I like the fact I can lope along at 80 MPH at 5,000 RPM. While not in the same league as a super sport, the RPM factor is still there.

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all these inlines and no liter twins, yuck.
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all these inlines and no liter twins, yuck.
The SV is a liter V-twin.
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v-twins are neat but i just don't like the sound, i can't get over that for some reason. some people love the sound, does nothing for me
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The SV is a liter V-twin.
the SV1000, all I've seen discussed is the SV650.

and IIRC the SV1000 is a rework of the TL1000 motor, it's nothing to write home about.
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