So much for global warming!
 

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I moved to FL to be warm. :bang:
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imma go idle my car for 24hrs straight... its too fuckin cold.

Global warming is just another scam or tax from the government to get more money out of people.

Yes, I know. Sadly alot of people buy into that BS.
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I might have to do the same thing. It was 40* this morning and it took an hour to get my car started. It hasn't been that cold on a loooooong time so my cold start settings were way off.
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it snowed here in SC most of the day yesterday

suckaz, I wired my fans in parallel last night in my driveway in a t-shirt.

my state doesn't spontaneously combust during the summer though

I know what you mean about the global warming. Just one day of meteorological phenomena totally disproves the ozone/carbon/sea-level rise bullshit Obama wants us to believe.

The theory of global warming also covers something about extremes (see the movie The Day After Tomorrow?). The cold this year has been pretty extreme. Also, quit crying, it was -16F here all day last Thursday and Friday.

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<<<--- *points to Buffalo* stfu


Its been 6*f the last few days, winter beater starts right up though.

I had the top down yesterday...lol.

My BMW takes forever to start...actually, it takes the same six cranks it always does, but with near 0* weather, those six turnovers take a LOT longer.


Poor thick oil hates life.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves- Hustler knows more science than you do.

For those that don't get his sarcasm, Hustler seems to be making a joke out of the fact that most of you guys are bitching about a few days' weather when the theory of global warming revolves around climate.

From Wikipedia, for those who failed Earth Science in middle school...
Weather: Weather is a set of all the phenomena occurring in a given atmosphere at a given time.
Climate: Climate encompasses the temperatures, humidity, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and numerous other meteorological factors in a given region over long periods of time

^^Buzz kill. lol
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it's been said but "global warming" means you get extremes in both directions, not just warming.

you're no Al Gore, nor is Poland on your side.

I don't think it got to 52 degrees yesterday, and hit 32 in Tampa last night. It is currently 49 now. That pretty darn cold for us down here.

They cant explain Global Warming, err, Climate Change. Climate changes are cyclic, and take centuries to complete one cycle.

Hell, the Farmers Almanac predicted cooler weather for the years to come. They are seldom wrong, and they have been doing it since the 18th century. Read on...
The Old Farmers Almanac - 2009

note that the term is more accurately "climate change", not global warming anymore.

also note that raising the earth's AVERAGE TEMPERATURE may mean that your dumb ass is 10 degrees colder and africa is 20 degrees warmer.

ALSO NOTE that one of the biggest effects climate change / global warming will have on the environment is not that your weatherman has to count higher, but that the weather will become more extreme and have greater swings of intensity than it does now or did before. ie more hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, etc. ie. hustler will keep his job.



matt's proverb of the day:

a moron is someone who knows everything about almost nothing
a genius is someone who knows nothing about almost everything

I am going to guess that the majority who doubt global warming are Republicans.

Figure that one out...following the teachings of a political party over science!!


Edit: By the way, it is a worldwide AVERAGE temperature increase. It doesn't mean that it is never going to get cold again!

I believe in 10% ethanol mix in my gas.

I knew you'd come around!

If all the scientist in the world agreed that there is global warming then fine.

Kind of like the media behind using ethanol to extend the supply of fuel, but not saying that the miles per gallon will go down, thus causing more fuel to be consumed in the long run.

I don't follow the teachings of any political party. I come up with my own conclusions based on the fact that the "science" behind global warming is what, maybe 50 years old, yet we can trace the heating and cooling of the Earths climate back millions of years, but throw that out.

if it does start to cool down then what? Then the democrats and Al Gore will declare victory for curbing the warming effect, and the Republicans will say they told you so there was no warming in the 1st place.

Kobiyashi Maru

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there's an incomplete list if you want to see the "nays"

the thing is, you probably wont ever get all scientists to agree on much.

consider the mere existence of the Flat Earth Society!

When portions of the earth become inhabitable in some regions, you can concede defeat, because that's what its about. Its about who's right and wrong, not environmental responsibility.

Earth is going to shake us off like a wet dog.

you bitch slap mother gaia and she'll kick you squah in the nutz

No one is debating if it actually exists, there is way too much evidence to disagree. Its warming, question being are humans causing it.


Considering we're releasing billions of years of stored hydrocarbons, I have trouble believing we're having zero impact.

I'll expect the nation to respect climate change right after we stop telling children that some fairy-tale god created all this exactly how it is, and how "faith" trumps a little concept called math, which is a concept that comes from the same fiction novel that claims women are 2-ribs short of a man (which they aren't considering most of us were taught this garbage).

But hey, it wouldn't be America if we didn't have a president that didn't shove evangelical christianity up our asses via our children, who are innocent, which makes them much easier to corrupt at an early age. So next time you guys talk shit about a president, who most likely has a laundry list of corporate interests, don't forget who got us here, and who brought socialist buy-outs to the table...so at least give Barry a chance, its not like you have a choice.

i owe hustler a beer.

I'll take you up on that next time i go to FEMA HQ in VA.

I am not debating that the world is warmer today than it was say 20 years ago. I just don't buy the whole "man is causing warming" theory. Mother nature alone produces more CO2 and greenhouse gases on her own than we do. Do we contribute? Sure we do, a very, very small percentage. Now, do I think as human beings we should be responsible and use technology to do better, curb our dependence on fossil fuels and so on? Sure I do. That is progress. That is what we should strive to do as human beings. But, the Earth does go through cyclic climate changes, and has been since the dawn of time. Are we in a upward warming trend or heading towards a cooling off period? Only time will tell.

well said.

hint:
where does the oxygen come from, and what has man done to hinder its production? BBQ-ing dinosaur doesn't help either.

humans may not create all that carbon dioxide, but we also eliminate the ability for the earth to reprocess CO2 by cutting down topical rain forests to grow coffee so we dont get headaches in the morning.

to assume that there is one single component of this effect is missing the big picture.

we add to the problem and we remove part of the natural solution. double whammy.

my gf is finishing up her masters in environmental science and it's amazing what kind of interrelationships there are in the environment.

did you know that something as simple as tilling soil prior to planting crops actually releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? it's about .5 tons of carbon dioxide per acre per year. roughly the same as a month of normal driving.

untilled soil does not release co2 and in fact as the plants growing in it die and decompose, increases its carbon dioxide content. about 6 acres of untilled corn field sucks up about a year's worth of the average car's carbon emissions.

so while you're curbing your use of fossil fuels, keep in mind that organic farming practices are an equally important part of being environmentally responsible.

Fixed.

Then theres people like me, who still don't buy the Liberal media's (Al Gore) bullshit about Global warming.

I cut the Cats off all my vehicles
Make sure to buy the oldest and shittiest 2 stroke lawnboy lawnmower I can find, then use it 3 times a week
Use a 2 stroke weed eater to trim and edge
2 stroke lawn vacuum
I perform 100 - 300 google searches in any one hour of the day
Replaced every mercury filled fluorescent lamp in my house with a 100 watt halogen which burn 24/7/365
I never turn off an of my PCs, televisions, radios, Home Theater, monitors, I leave the windows open in winter to heat the outside, I Crank up my A/C to 60 degrees in the summer, leave my cars idling for long periods of time unnecessarily, make extra sure to fuel every vehicle I have on "Ozone alert" days, don't fully insert the fume collector (if applicable) against the filler tube in my car, all while talking on a cellular telephone thats made of plastic, wearing plastic based shoes, clothing, sunglasses, and driving a gas guzzling car all while running the freaking everloving piss out of it. Fuck you, Earth!

One word: Hurricanes.

We're burning 80 MILLION barrels of oil a day in the world. Can you even imagine how much that is?

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Imagine 80 million of these..

http://blog.case.edu/james.chang/2007/07/24/oildrum.jpg

Do you agree we will run out of oil?

Well if you do, then oil is a large collection of stored energy, approx 4 billion years worth. Considering many people think we have already/will hit peak oil production in the next few years, we are on our way to completely exhausting and readmitting 4 billion years worth of stored energy back into the atmosphere. Maybe we might have an impact; you think?

I actually read AN ENTIRE BOOK on GW:

Amazon.com: The Chilling Stars, 2nd Edition: A Cosmic View of Climate Change: Henrik Svensmark: Books

I don't think it even needs to be debated, it really doesn't matter. Regardless of whether we are or aren't causing the problem, we're still gonna continue doing the same shit because society would collapse if we stopped using oil right now. Either way we're gonna curb ourselves towards hydrogen and all that green shit, and if we're causing the problem, hopefully we'll clean up our act before the earth falls into the sun.

Edit: in the meantime though, I'm not putting a cat on my car and you can't make me.

I agree 100% with everything you have stated here. In essence you have stated what I have said about the Earth producing it's own CO2. Does man contribute? Sure.

Oceans and plant life primarily make up our oxygen content through photosynthesis. I cant believe that I still remember that from 7th grade. Brazil alone is hurting the oxygen reproduction, but they have never cared. :bang:

Now, on a more sinister but compassionate tone, and I am not disrespecting the dead, I am just stating a thought. Think about how bad off we would be, population wise, if it were not for disasters like the plagues in the middle ages, all the wars, including WWI and WWII or natural disasters. Our population could possibly be doubled. Talk about dire straights when speaking of our natural resources.

Make War, not Love:giggle:

Yeah, lets kill off 3/4's of the population and then we wont have anything to worry about, evah.:giggle:

Ya know, there are plenty of people in this world that we just don't need.
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I have already accepted that you are a human write-off.

you saw the part about the earth absorbing CO2 until we till the soil, right? that's billions of acres of farmland we're talking about. not just a few.

We should go ahead and start setting up how we're going to select people to kill. Anyone with an IQ below 100, people on welfare or food stamps, anyone over 70, fat people, short people, ugly people, etc... We can breed a super race! Wait... Didn't someone try that already?

You can start with people serving life sentences and on death row. :dunno:
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I got bad news. the IQ number is based on average intelligence being set at 100. If you kill everyone under 100, the value 100 will be assigned to the new "smarter" group and average intelligence will go up but still be an IQ of 100. So you'll have to kill half of them. then the average brain is smarter and you have to kill half of the NEXT group. Until you're left with one person who is, by definition, "average" and therefore has an IQ of 100. of course this person will be a smart motherfucker, but s/he will be very lonely.

unless of course the super smart few are super smart enough to all try to score the same on the test.

Well... I was thinking we'd just do 1 test and mass killing. Hopefully there would be no need for additional rounds of testing.

Just out of curiosity, is this release of CO2 simply from the literal turning over of the soil to release CO2 entrapped as plant or animal matter decays, or does it include the release from the tractor that is doing the tilling? Not trying to challenge you, just curious, as I've never before heard the statistic.

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I spoke and later participated in a "climate change round-table" at UWashington and learned enough to realize that I don't know enough about this to comment...but its entertaining to see the armchair quarterbacking in here. You're no Stephen Hawking.

Yeah, soooo, what do you recommend? Hydroponics and ditch the soil or just let everyone starve? That would be an easy way to kill off 3/4's of the population right there.

Amen to that. Smart dude, shafted by disease.

Almost everything is armchair QB action, but who cares, makes for good conversation. Speaking of which, I could take Big Ben's spot in the Super Bowl. I am that good just take my word for it.

Anyway, I am doing my part to help conserve natural resources, but not in the name of global warming or climate change. Just being a responsible person and doing what is right is good enough for me. I don't need a political platform to proclaim that my wife and I ditched our SUV that got 10mpg in the city for a Mini Cooper that gets almost 3x that. Or, that we set our T stat in our house at 70 in the winter, and 78 in the summer to conserve energy which will help with the amount of coal that is burned to produce said electricity. We use low wattage bulbs in the house, and so on.
Honestly, if I could find a way to get complete power from the sun inexpensively, I would. Then I would give Tampa Electric the middle finger. They just jacked up our electric rates. Minimum increase will be 12.50 per bill under 1000kwh. Sucks cause my electric bill is already 219.00 per month.

I don't have a cat on my Miata though.:fawk:

just the microbes in the soil. I give you article! note that this has been going on for a long long time. before tractors. and still isn't count ox farts.

Iowa Farmers Look to Trap Carbon in Soil : NPR

read the article above. there are ways to grow crops that dont require tilling.


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dont EVEN get me started on corn-fed beef.

Coming from someone like YOU, nothing could be a bigger compliment. Whats more surprising is you even bothered to read, muchless attempt to make a witty insult from it.


So whats your excuse for the liberal scientists pumping CO2 discharged from power plants into dried oil wells? It squeezes the remaining oil that won't free flow, then capping it off when finished to 'contain' the Carbon Dioxide? HMMM?????

I still say its pretty naive of anyone to think their ever loving, ever powerful God placed mankind on this planet with the ability to destroy it doing NOTHING more than doing what we do... Make our life better.

Yup, you can pretty much explain away anything with god...no point in discussing this further. The greatest invention of man to avoid responsibility.

Screw the rain forest.

Most of the earth's oxygen production comes from the Taiga forest biome that runs along the top of the world, covering most of inland Alaska, Canada, Sweden, Finland, inland Norway and Russia (especially Siberia), as well as parts of the extreme northern continental United States (Northern Minnesota, Michigan, Upstate New York, New Hampshire, and Maine), northern Kazakhstan and Japan.

So the biggest threat to the Earth's ability to self-sustain the atmosphere doesn't come from Brazil, it comes from Russia and Canada.

Particularly Canada, since as far as I can tell from TV, some 90% or more of Canadians are employed in the logging industry. The other 10% work in the huge maple syrup conglomerates that effectively run the country.

Shit. That means that Canada does make a worthwhile contribution to the world, oxygen. That just tosses my whole universe into chaos.

Oh well. Fuck Canada anyway.





Edit: y8s, thanks for the article.