Supra ride
 

Dude I work with has a '91 NSX. It's a beautiful car, but it's all stock. When I look at it it reminds me of my Ducati 916 I used to own. You almost want to display it more than operate it.
Anyway, the guy brings his brothers car to work today. 1997 Toyota Supra. It's pretty hammered, slightly riced out (carbon hood, aftermarket front bumper). It's stock except for meth, SAFC, and EBC. I rode in it tonight after the dude said it should make like 540whp. I expected to crap in my pants.
It pulled decent, had stock wheels w/ 275/40/17's on it. It hooked amazingly. Boost went to 1.5 BAR, (21.75psi)?
Still, as much I've seen those cars bragged about and blah blah blah...wasn't impressed. It's a big car, it's heavy, it sat too high, my list goes on.
Anyone have experience with one of those cars? Maybe if it was a huge single turbo conversion, my opinion would differ.

540whp with an ebc/safc/meth

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What kind of meth was he smoking?

That's what I said. I told him "you and your brother need to own 1992 civic bubbles, not these cars."

540whp on stock twins? SUUUUUUUUUURE.

And these are really really not "big cars." They're heavy, because they're built like brick shithouses, but they're pretty damn small, considering. They're just bigger than Miatas. What isn't bigger than a Miata?

Who the hell has a MKIV Supra and slaps an SAFC on it? In fact who is stupid enough to have a hammered MKIV considering that you can perform a few cosmetic mods, check it over it mechanically, and sell it for a ton of cash?

That's like owning a GTR and using a powercard.

That car is a great entry point for someone who wants a MKIV without the MKIV price maybe.

No such thing as a MKIV without the MKIV price. Was watching auto auctions recently. A '94 Supra turbo t-tops, blue with tan leather and like 136k miles, wrecked in the front (needs radiator support, headlight, hood, and probably some other things), salvage title.

Friggin' thing went for like $23k or some idiotic sum.

What makes the Supra so desirable? I just went to google and looked at some images and it just looks like a slightly sleeker Celica to me. No where near as nice looking as an FD. Besides them being able to make a shit ton of power on a dyno, what else makes these cars interesting?

High build quality, low-ish production numbers, strong drivelines, capable suspension.

They're actually good cars that are good for FAR more than being dyno queens, it's just that dyno queens are all that get shoved down your throats. They WILL make gobs of power over a wide range of RPMs, they can fit lots of rubber, and they have all the aftermarket in the world.

There's a guy on GRM that worked for a racing team in..... World Challenge i think? They raced them. They said the cars didn't take much at all to be race ready, and they were ridiculously reliable. Often went a whole season without anything but fluids.

I think Supras are pretty darn big IMO. I have never seen a Supra in stockish suspension form put down very impressive 60' times at the drag strip. That is the one thing I hate about them.

It is damn hard to beat the sound of a high strung 2JZ at around 10,000 rpm though, and I have seen that motor in a Pro Mod type chassis lay down some impressive numbers.

Just so we're clear... you're saying you've never seen a stock IRS Supra put down fast 60' times at the strip?


I think the size thing comes from perspective, or people never seeing them in real life. They look huge in pictures. In reality, they're shockingly small. Really no bigger than a 5th gen Celica or a late Fox Body Stang.

Compared to your typical stock suspension, straight axle, and IRS drag race configurations, yes.

Same size as a Celica?

Comparing it to a current gen Mustang is more like it. Probably not quite that big, but current Mustangs are absolutely Ginormous.

Celica is about right. The current gen mustang is almost a foot longer and 7" wider.

LOL, it's a good chunk smaller in every dimension than a current mustang. In fact, it's almost identical in size to a 90-93 Celica.

2014 Mustang: L = 188.5", H = 56", W = 74"
5th gen Celica: L = 176", H = 51", W = 67"
MKiv Supra: L = 178", H = 50", W = 71"

You going to tell us that a 5th gen celica is a big car?

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Here's a 1.18 second 60' on stock rear end and axles. Now, i'm not saying that these are the best drag cars, but you most certainly can pull decent numbers out of them. You should know all about this... you're drag racing a carb'd Miata. :rofl:

You calling the Kettle Black in your front wheel drive? ;)

Looks like the Supra boys may have finally figured out how to make them leave. Looks like they could use a little work getting it to go straight. Admittedly, it is tough to make IRS cars work well.

3475 lbs for a hardtop and 3525 for the targa is what I would call rather large for a sports car that does not have the largest displacement motor in the world.

This car was a targa, guy told me today it's stock w/ greedy electronic boost controller, SAFC, meth injection, and hks air box/ intake. Said it makes 440 on what it was set at last night. I watched the boost gauge hit 1.5 bar. That should be equivent to 21.75psi, right?
Still, it though it looked like shit, and I wasn't impressed with it at all. It hooked cause it had nitto drag radials on it.

Oh I don't think anyone is denying they are heavy for a sports car. But for a GT that's not heavy, it's around the same weight as a Jag XK.

Oh... so when you were talking size, you really meant mass? ;) :makeout:

Guy told me that "it makes 510 on the high boost setting". If 1.5bar is the low boost setting, what's the high boost setting? How high can those stock turbos go?

1.5bar is past the safe zone. Guy is a tard.

Guy is a huge tard. When he said SAFC, I lowered my head in shame.

Like I said, '92 civic hatch...that's what he should be driving. He pretty much has it to say, "hey look at me I have a supra".

Supra guys comes in two flavors:
1) Look at my shitty bodykit!
2) Look at my ridiculous single that won't spool til 8,000rpm

Dude comes to work today and says "yo my brother sold his supra today." I reply, "no way! Can I ask what he got for it?"
Dude says, "$35,000".
If you guys would've seen this car you would've said "there's no way it's worth that money."
I even told him that...he says, "have you seen what they're going for?"
If I wanted a supra (which i don't) but if i did and he told me he'd take $20,000 for it, I'd be skeptical.
The car's a 97. It's beat to shit, the front fenders and hood are carbon fiber, the passengers side fender has a huge crack in it like it got hit by a baseball. $35,000?? Are these things really worth gold?

10 years ago, beat up 6 speeds with 100k miles on them were going for 25k minimum. They aren't getting any more common. I see 2-3 a year around these parts. Non turbo cars (5 speeds) and automatic turbo cars sell for half price.

Total # of 6MT Supras sold in the US is around 4,037 (Not for one model year - that's the entire production of the MKIV Supra). They may not be gold, but even the riced out 6MTs with 150k miles on them are collectors items. I've got a family member (collector) who bought a 1998 RSP 6-speed with 8,000 miles on the clock about 5 years ago. IIRC, he dropped $50,000 on it.

The hype filled in the bottom of the depreciation curve at a pace that seems crazy to us because we are used to seeing collector muscle cars that got down to scrap value during the hellish mid to late 70s and gas crises, then slowly became worth something again.

From a performance standpoint, no a MKIV supra is a horrible bargain at 35K. I am willing to bet that stock for stock a modern STI will eat it alive and come with a warranty for that kind of cash. A used C5 is worlds cheaper and has arguably more all around potential and aftermarket availability.

But. I bet you will see restored MkIVs going for well over 100K on Barrett Jackson within 10 years. Not so with C5s and STIs. They are common, and they don't really have the ZOMG!!!!1one1!!!! impact of a Fast & Furious movie phenomenon to back them and make them modern Americana. The MKIV might wind up being the 90s GTO or factory 426 powered-anything.

The Fast and The Furious, combined with Toyota's legendary reputation and massive aftermarket/tuning house support eliminated the bottom of the depreciation curve that we are used to seeing. F&F created the "Supra tax" overnight. Engines doubled in price.

I bought my '87 IROC-Z 350TPI T-top in 2006 and it blue booked at $2500. It now books at $14k. Part of the reason I can't sell it, at least not yet, I'll never be able to afford another and it's becoming a modern classic.

As far as the Supra being a heavy pig, that's true. My Camaro is longer and wider with a heavier pig of an all-iron engine, and weighs almost the same.

What? Since when are 3rd gen Camaros selling for $14k?

Well, it's an 87, which was the first year the 350 was back in the Camaro, and it's got T-tops and a 350, which was discontinued in mid-89 and only rolled back out for the 92 Firebird Formula, something about chassis twist. It was also the last year of the "IROC-Z" which had both the Z28 RPO code and the IROC RPO code. In '88 they switched over to just IROC-Z, which had no Z28 RPO.

I also used "high retail," as most everything interior wise is new (and currently in boxes), and it has a fresh paint job with a recently rebuilt transmission.

Ive got a guy here who has a 1994 Shell That he is selling for $26,000.... and he already has 2 potential buyers.... lmao

A shell..... $26,000...... for a shell.... hahahaha


GRANTED, It IS quite the nice shell.... no damage, no rust, great paint, garage kept its whole life

Yeah, but it's a turd of a 350.

Nearly every single car from the 80s blows big fat donkey balls.

Looks like they may only go up in price from now on. A friend of mine recently picked one up. I'm assuming its because he has too much money burning holes in his pocket. I love supras but would never pay that kind of price. I would rather spend time building a LS swapped RX7 or something more interesting.