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Old 06-24-2014, 01:50 AM   #1
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Dude I work with has a '91 NSX. It's a beautiful car, but it's all stock. When I look at it it reminds me of my Ducati 916 I used to own. You almost want to display it more than operate it.
Anyway, the guy brings his brothers car to work today. 1997 Toyota Supra. It's pretty hammered, slightly riced out (carbon hood, aftermarket front bumper). It's stock except for meth, SAFC, and EBC. I rode in it tonight after the dude said it should make like 540whp. I expected to crap in my pants.
It pulled decent, had stock wheels w/ 275/40/17's on it. It hooked amazingly. Boost went to 1.5 BAR, (21.75psi)?
Still, as much I've seen those cars bragged about and blah blah blah...wasn't impressed. It's a big car, it's heavy, it sat too high, my list goes on.
Anyone have experience with one of those cars? Maybe if it was a huge single turbo conversion, my opinion would differ.
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540whp with an ebc/safc/meth



What kind of meth was he smoking?
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That's what I said. I told him "you and your brother need to own 1992 civic bubbles, not these cars."
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540whp on stock twins? SUUUUUUUUUURE.

And these are really really not "big cars." They're heavy, because they're built like brick shithouses, but they're pretty damn small, considering. They're just bigger than Miatas. What isn't bigger than a Miata?
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Who the hell has a MKIV Supra and slaps an SAFC on it? In fact who is stupid enough to have a hammered MKIV considering that you can perform a few cosmetic mods, check it over it mechanically, and sell it for a ton of cash?

That's like owning a GTR and using a powercard.

That car is a great entry point for someone who wants a MKIV without the MKIV price maybe.
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No such thing as a MKIV without the MKIV price. Was watching auto auctions recently. A '94 Supra turbo t-tops, blue with tan leather and like 136k miles, wrecked in the front (needs radiator support, headlight, hood, and probably some other things), salvage title.

Friggin' thing went for like $23k or some idiotic sum.
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What makes the Supra so desirable? I just went to google and looked at some images and it just looks like a slightly sleeker Celica to me. No where near as nice looking as an FD. Besides them being able to make a **** ton of power on a dyno, what else makes these cars interesting?
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High build quality, low-ish production numbers, strong drivelines, capable suspension.

They're actually good cars that are good for FAR more than being dyno queens, it's just that dyno queens are all that get shoved down your throats. They WILL make gobs of power over a wide range of RPMs, they can fit lots of rubber, and they have all the aftermarket in the world.

There's a guy on GRM that worked for a racing team in..... World Challenge i think? They raced them. They said the cars didn't take much at all to be race ready, and they were ridiculously reliable. Often went a whole season without anything but fluids.
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I think Supras are pretty darn big IMO. I have never seen a Supra in stockish suspension form put down very impressive 60' times at the drag strip. That is the one thing I hate about them.

It is damn hard to beat the sound of a high strung 2JZ at around 10,000 rpm though, and I have seen that motor in a Pro Mod type chassis lay down some impressive numbers.
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I think Supras are pretty darn big IMO. I have never seen a Supra in stockish suspension form put down very impressive 60' times at the drag strip. That is the one thing I hate about them.

It is damn hard to beat the sound of a high strung 2JZ at around 10,000 rpm though, and I have seen that motor in a Pro Mod type chassis lay down some impressive numbers.


Just so we're clear... you're saying you've never seen a stock IRS Supra put down fast 60' times at the strip?


I think the size thing comes from perspective, or people never seeing them in real life. They look huge in pictures. In reality, they're shockingly small. Really no bigger than a 5th gen Celica or a late Fox Body Stang.
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Just so we're clear... you're saying you've never seen a stock IRS Supra put down fast 60' times at the strip?
Compared to your typical stock suspension, straight axle, and IRS drag race configurations, yes.

Same size as a Celica?

Comparing it to a current gen Mustang is more like it. Probably not quite that big, but current Mustangs are absolutely Ginormous.
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Celica is about right. The current gen mustang is almost a foot longer and 7" wider.
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Compared to your typical stock suspension, straight axle, and IRS drag race configurations, yes.

Same size as a Celica?

Comparing it to a current gen Mustang is more like it. Probably not quite that big, but current Mustangs are absolutely Ginormous.

LOL, it's a good chunk smaller in every dimension than a current mustang. In fact, it's almost identical in size to a 90-93 Celica.

2014 Mustang: L = 188.5", H = 56", W = 74"
5th gen Celica: L = 176", H = 51", W = 67"
MKiv Supra: L = 178", H = 50", W = 71"

You going to tell us that a 5th gen celica is a big car?




Here's a 1.18 second 60' on stock rear end and axles. Now, i'm not saying that these are the best drag cars, but you most certainly can pull decent numbers out of them. You should know all about this... you're drag racing a carb'd Miata.

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LOL, it's a good chunk smaller in every dimension than a current mustang. In fact, it's almost identical in size to a 90-93 Celica.

2014 Mustang: L = 188.5", H = 56", W = 74"
5th gen Celica: L = 176", H = 51", W = 67"
MKiv Supra: L = 178", H = 50", W = 71"

You going to tell us that a 5th gen celica is a big car?




Here's a 1.18 second 60' on stock rear end and axles. Now, i'm not saying that these are the best drag cars, but you most certainly can pull decent numbers out of them. You should know all about this... you're drag racing a carb'd Miata.

You calling the Kettle Black in your front wheel drive?

Looks like the Supra boys may have finally figured out how to make them leave. Looks like they could use a little work getting it to go straight. Admittedly, it is tough to make IRS cars work well.

3475 lbs for a hardtop and 3525 for the targa is what I would call rather large for a sports car that does not have the largest displacement motor in the world.
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This car was a targa, guy told me today it's stock w/ greedy electronic boost controller, SAFC, meth injection, and hks air box/ intake. Said it makes 440 on what it was set at last night. I watched the boost gauge hit 1.5 bar. That should be equivent to 21.75psi, right?
Still, it though it looked like ****, and I wasn't impressed with it at all. It hooked cause it had nitto drag radials on it.
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Oh I don't think anyone is denying they are heavy for a sports car. But for a GT that's not heavy, it's around the same weight as a Jag XK.
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Oh... so when you were talking size, you really meant mass?
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Guy told me that "it makes 510 on the high boost setting". If 1.5bar is the low boost setting, what's the high boost setting? How high can those stock turbos go?
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Guy told me that "it makes 510 on the high boost setting". If 1.5bar is the low boost setting, what's the high boost setting? How high can those stock turbos go?
1.5bar is past the safe zone. Guy is a tard.
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Guy is a huge tard. When he said SAFC, I lowered my head in shame.
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