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Old 09-05-2014, 12:07 PM   #61
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Tune while on an inverter? I dont want to nuke my ECU thankyouverymuch.
I'm not sure why tuning on an inverter would be a problem, but as NiklasFalk pointed out, there are dedicated adapters for running laptops off of car power, such as this one for the Eee 900/1000 series:

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When I had the Stylistic tablet in my '92, I had one of these (appropriate to that machine) permanently mounted in the space behind the radio, with the cord coming out below the center console.





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How well does Tunerstudio and stuff play with Linux and/or will a serial Windows user like myself be able to even use Linux without feeling incredibly stupid?
I used to consider myself a competent Linux user. By this I mean that I'm not a wizard, but that I used to use "real" Unix on a daily basis, and I played with Linux quite a bit back in the late 90s before it started coming with a GUI as standard equipment.

I tried to run TunerStudio under Ubuntu a couple of years ago and was completely flummoxed- couldn't make it work at all. I was able to get Team Fortress 2 running under Ubuntu and scored my very own in-game penguin, but TunerStudio defeated me.

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How well does Tunerstudio and stuff play with Linux and/or will a serial Windows user like myself be able to even use Linux without feeling incredibly stupid?
Once you have installed TS it just like running it anywhere. The advantage of Java, it's not better on any platform.
The problem comes with other stuff which only run on Win, Innovate LM programmer and stuff like that. A 20gb virtual image is enough to keep a win at hand when you need it.
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Once you have installed TS it just like running it anywhere. The advantage of Java, it's not better on any platform.
The problem comes with other stuff which only run on Win, Innovate LM programmer and stuff like that. A 20gb virtual image is enough to keep a win at hand when you need it.
I was thinking in terms of running it on a 16gb Chromebook, so anything Windows isn't going to happen.

I didn't think of the issues with Innovate stuff, though i don't think i'd need to worry about that in this exact issue, and i shouldn't need to program the wideband too often. I can steal the home laptop for that.

I'm told that the Dell Vostro V131 would fit the bill nicely as well.
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I was thinking in terms of running it on a 16gb Chromebook, so anything Windows isn't going to happen.
Is the SD card slot not able to be used to store a WinXP / 7 image for the purpose of running within a virtual machine?
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Is the SD card slot not able to be used to store a WinXP / 7 image for the purpose of running within a virtual machine?


That sounds nerdy as hell and i'm not entirely sure how to accomplish that.

But just so i have this straight:

Step 1) Buy $200ish Chromebook
Step 2) Hack it and load Linux running on top of Chrome
Step 3) Run out of space, need to use Windows for serial programming
Step 4) Buy expensive-ish huge SD card
Step 5) Buy/Acquire Windows 7 and install to card
Step 6) Realize you're running 3 operating systems on a Chromebook you now have anywhere from $250-$350 invested into, and a shitload of time.


Did i miss anything?
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Dude a 32gb SD card is like $30 tops.
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A friend of mine had some problems back in the day (MS1) with ground loops when running laptop off AC adapter plugged into 120V receptacle and with running AC/DC adapter. I can't recall how he fixed his problem but it had him flummoxed for a while.
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Dude a 32gb SD card is like $30 tops.
Class 10?

Then gotta get Win7.

Sounds annoying as ****.

I really couldn't care less about programming serial things.

The main questions were: Will i be smart enough to into Linux? And does TunerStudio play nice?
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Class 10?

Then gotta get Win7.

Sounds annoying as ****.

I really couldn't care less about programming serial things.

The main questions were: Will i be smart enough to into Linux? And does TunerStudio play nice?
But win 7 is easy to get off the warez, yo.
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I don't warez or torrent. The government is watching.
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I don't warez or torrent. The government is watching.
But if you download linux they put you on the list as being a hacker.
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But if you download linux they put you on the list as being a hacker.

No no... that's just Google tracking me while i'm in Developer mode. I'm cool with the Google overlords, but i made a tin foil hat for big brother.
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And does TunerStudio play nice?
TS will play nice, both over DIY serial dongle, generic dongle and direkt USB to MS3x.

http://tunerstudio.com/index.php/uservideos
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TS will play nice, both over DIY serial dongle, generic dongle and direkt USB to MS3x.

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Kinda late to the party but just some random thoughts for anyone on the fence.

I have two tablets, Asus T100 64GB and a Surface Pro 3. Bought the T100 first and had it for a couple of months. I bought it to replace my laptop which I used for tuning MS, field work, and work at home. I'm a plumbing contractor. Bought the T100 as recommended on this website as it runs Windows necessary for things like Tunerstudio and work things like Excel, Quickbooks, etc.

The T100 is the best $350 you could ever spend. Battery life is awesome, capacity is overboard for me (I don't game, store movies, music, etc), processor and operating system work well once I got passed the early teething problems (constant updates and crashes!) that just went away in a couple of weeks use. Again, I don't do any heavy work with my PC so YMMV. Then the perks above other tablets: Micro SD slot, Micro USB for charging or OTG port, Mini HDMI out, and a USB 3.0 on the detachable keyboard, which is included in the $350. And yes, it works great for tuning. The screen size and resolution are perfect.

So my birthday came around and apparently my mom thought I needed another tablet and got me the SP3 64GB. Ok, realistically, I'm impressed by the thing. It has made the work aspect better. Bigger screen, bigger keyboard, the damn pen which I can't somehow live without, now. Plus its pretty.

From the tuning angle, its the same or worse. Like a dumbass I can't seem to find a way to change the resolution in TS so that I don't need a magnifying glass to look at certain fields. Plus, the battery life is about half that of the T100 considering that the heat in the car will make the fan run. And you have a proprietary charger plug so good luck charging it in the car without an inverter. Oh, and at close to $1000 with the type cover, which is not included, you could almost buy three T100's.
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The surface pros have a usb where you can connect a sturdy keyboard. Also they offer a type cover keyboard which is a hard keyboard.

I'm not sure of the other Asus tablets but the benefit to the surface pros is that you can run the same software that you're running on a regular laptop since it has a full copy of win 8 on it instead of a hacked up tablet OS.
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The Surface products don't come with a keyboard, you have to buy it separately. I have the MS type cover for mine which docks to the tablet magnetically. Quite a sleek product. Most aftermarket keyboards are BT though, not USB.

The Asus T100 runs the same OS as the SP3. In reality, Win 8.1 is a hacked up hybrid OS but it works quite well. It has a small learning curve but so does any new system. I suspect it will be the standard that all future tablet OS's will try to beat.
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In reality, Win 8.1 is a hacked up hybrid OS but it works quite well. It has a small learning curve but so does any new system. I suspect it will be the standard that all future tablet OS's will try to beat.
What i meant by a hacked up OS is an os that has many features disabled. For example the RT wont run most windows programs even though it looks like windows 8.

As far as the keyboards go, check on amazon, a lot of the listings say the surface is suppose to come with a keyboard, if thats the case you can get one with keyboard included and the sellers cant do anything about it but supply the keyboard because thats what it says in the listing.
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What i meant by a hacked up OS is an os that has many features disabled. For example the RT wont run most windows programs even though it looks like windows 8.
Windows RT is dead, and has been for quite some time. All current-gen Win8 tablets come with "full" Windows 8.1 nowadays, including the T100 that hector has. There are still a few refurb tablets available with RT, but they're hard to find.

The problem with RT wasn't that they intentionally crippled it, it's that RT was designed to run on non-x86 processors such as the NVIDIA Tegra, and those processors are inherently incapable of running applications compiled for "regular" Windows, regardless of what OS is running on it.

RT caused a lot of confusion, which lingers to this day, about Win8 tablets not being able to run "real" applications. That used to be true. Now it is not.
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Ah thank you for the explanation sir. That clears it up.
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