The car talked about in the linked srtforum thread is a Mazdaspeed 3.

doesnt change a DAMN thing about what I said though

AGREED. But while posted dyno numbers are sketchy, I say "WHO CARES?" a dyno is a tool, and nothing but....people that post dyno graphs to prove the length of their e-penis prove nothing......go to the track, run a time, THEN post the slip of time or MORE IMPORTANTLY: THE TRAP SPEED....cause just like you said, a dyno can be made to show any goddamn numbers the operator wants it to, and these chumps drive home thinking they gained all that power and torque lol...

id like to see what said car ran at the track, that would show what kinda numbers that car really put down..hell, there's even a calculator for that sort of thing.

I have an MS3 as my DD. Runs great. Sounds great too with an AEM cold air intake. It's stock other than that as it gets me to and from work. The Miata is the test toy.

These things are torquey. I used to own an LT1 Z28 so I'm spoiled when it comes to grunt power.

Dude the evo is a 35K+ car. It is no where in the same price bracket as a Miata, sorry to bust you bubble.

I do agree it is a little unfair to have a civic SI vs a MS3 but now days people care about cars in a price bracket more then based on the same driveline or motor class.

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While comparing a 2006 Evolution to a 2007 miata is pretty pointless it is possible to get the 2006 Evolution RS, which is the stripped version for 25,000 now a days.

There's something you're missing.

You're talking about 2 different types of car enthusiasts here. WE, or guys who do a lot of their own work and tuning, know exactly what a dyno is for. THEY, or guys who write checks to shops CARE GREATLY about what a dyno-chart says. The fact that you or I know the difference is irrelevant to what they think when they walk away with that paper.

The guy who started that thread was a shop-owner. Shops make money by getting people in the door. You get people in the door by making more power than other shops for less money. Guys who buy SRT-4's or MS3's are looking for bang-for-the-buck. If your shop claims they can make 100ftlbs for $300, then you're gonna get a lot of business.

In addition to being blissfully ignorant when driving away from the dyno, your average check-writer never have their car on a track of any kind, nor will they care that they'll never have their car on the track.

They'll show up with cash in hand for parts and service... and then they'll get sent across the street to the dyno and go home with a slip of paper that says tells them how much power they made. Guys like that don't know about a dyno only being a "tool". But to a shop-owner, the dyno becomes a tool for him TO MAKE MONEY!!!

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once again, I wasnt too clear on which evo, this is EXACTLY what im talking about. an evo rs can be had around here from 22-25k. thanx for clarifying

QUOTED FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is exactly why a local subaru performance shop locally hates my guts. they charge upwards of fucking 300-600+ dollars to "protune" and give the person a peice of paper that says their car is fast now. the people around here that are poor/broke, come over to my house, I reflash/fine tune their car for like 50 bux, and help them out..then everyone goes to the track and runs the same times hahahahahhahahhah...the look on the face of the idiot that shelled out all that money for a weak ass tune just to run dead even with a guy that spent 50 bux is priceless...it keeps me doing what I do...hell, most of the stage 1, 2, etc flashes i do for free...

If it's the guy I think it is (I'm on a Mazda forum) he has run a 12.79 @ 106.9.

18PSI, what software do you work with?

well i've played with cobb (buddy owns the street tuner software). but mainly ecu-flash to read/flash, romraider/enginuity to tune/tweak, and ecu-edit/ecu-explorer for misc other crap..know anyone with a subaru that wants an e-mail tune? :)

Yeah I read on the ms3 forums a while ago a few consistant runs under 13. He had some higher trap speeds on a few runs.

not to add fuel to any fires, but the new Colbalt SS has been spanking the MS3 and other faster cars in autox.

And you can get a C5 Z06 for that much. Or you can get a NA miata and turbo it, drop a full suspension on it, have some change left over and run even faster. Or a notch fox throw gears and a blower.... But including used cars into a new FWD daily driver car comparison is just silly.

I have been reading up a bit on these new turbo cobalts, and looks to me like they are a great little car.....chassis is very well set up for a fwd, interior if not great is acceptable, the turbo ecotec definitely has good power/torque, and launch control and wot shifting STOCK is a very nice feature.....so far the car is an A+ in my book..

I did a little homework on another forum... here's what I found. Check POST#8. The poster is one of the big players in the MS6 world... worked with CPe to crack the code on the MZR engine. They can now do some basic flashing (including defeating the throttle-plate closure curve).

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=100407

As I said, that dyno run is bullshit.

Well since the whole subject is talking about NEW cars... key world NEW. I know how much used Evos go for as I am still part of the local DSM group, and planning to buy one in the near future.

A new evo and new miata are in different price brackets.