I'm not fat bitch. I am lean and I will crush your skull with my hyperactive nutsackx.

And even more upsetting is the fact that that IS me in that picture.....

/wrists (with cake)

That's because it's not you, numbnuts. It's OP swatting some skinnies with his sawzall over in the middle east.

It's the sound of it, they're terrified of it. little know fact: Sadam used a sawzall on his soccer team when they lost.

Whats wrong with em?

RWD, cheap, reliable. Lot of aftermarket.

I'm not.

Believe it or not there are many cars that are quite reliable when maintained correctly that you'll never know about if you believe everything on the internet.

This thread is starting to go full retard. 240sx? 944? Really?

Yes, rotarheads and dsm'ers will argue til blue in the face about how 99.99% of their failures are from inproper maint. The fact remains: 99.99% of them are broken and break on a daily basis, so your argument is pretty weak. I've no idea about the old porsche reliability, just saying.

As for the 240: if you like hardparking or d0r1ftoing, sure its a great car.

Actually I'd say its a nice car to daily too: if you can find an unmolested one (highly unlikely). The KA is so torquey, just a pleasure to drive in traffic.

I've heard that gross exaggerations help to prove a point. :)

Like 18psi is saying. I have seen Miata's were it looked like the owner was trying to break some record on lack of care and were still running.

But the point is valid. And that's the point.

The only people of the 2 groups I mentioned that have nothing but good things to say about their cars are hardcore enthusiasts dedicated to that car alone, and put unnecessary effort into maintaining said cars. replacing parts every 10k miles when they should last 60k.......checking and inspecting everything like 10x a day. Just spending a ton of money and time keeping their precious car in tip top shape. Sure it will run like a champ if maintained that way.


Look at the miata:
half the people on here with one have a shitty hack job band aid system, beat on the car all the time, and high miles with next to no maintenance, and the cars are still kickin. You don't see de-motivational posters about the miata being a POS floating around everywhere...just that its gay lulz

I'll disagree on the DSM front due to personal experiences, as long as stupid mods are kept to a minimum, but where's the fun in that? Regardless, i don't think anyone mentioned DSM as a good alternative to a Miata. They aren't. :rofl:

You're familiar with my car, I see.

The 944 shouldn't even be a consideration. They are very expensive to maintain properly, the maintenance intervals are very short, parts are hard to find, very difficult to work on, they aren't reliable and there isn't an aftermarket for them.

With that being said, I will never sell mine.

The first rule of fitting in is not to talk about fitting in.
/brad pitt

I said FB rx7. Check your facts. That meme or reputation or whatever you want to call it didn't come around till the later turbo models. turbo rotaries are not cheap or easy or reliable, or anything. I'll give you that (even though I think you're wrong). However FB's are built like tanks and NEVER suffered from that reputation. Don't believe me? Go talk to a classic rotary race team, or compare how many 150,000+ miles FB's there are compared to FC's and FD's.

Exactly this. I have a friend with a turbo 944 (951 IIRC) who desperately wants a Miata. Why? Because he can get one for the cost of having a shop replace the clutch in his 944.

Sorry guise, 944 ≠ Miata

Also: Is this an intro thread? This looks like an intro thread...

I wasn't referring to your post or claim about FB rx7's lol....relax....Yes I was talking about the turbo ones

More like a coming out thread:giggle:

B B B B B B BUT YOOOOO SAID ROTARDS!!! I didn't see anyone else mention rx's so I figured it was about me.

Some things about rx-7s have definitely earned their rep, but I do think they're better than many give them credit for.
Though I will give you this: I'm moving to japan so my turbo fb will become an NA 20b, and if I ever owned an FD it'd have an lsx

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken!" - Brad Pitt



........ I've made two mistakes......

WAT? ^lol

Seriously, besides e30's and or crappy E36 M3's, there's not a lot of cars out there like a turbo Miata.

Bimmers don't compare in reliability/cost of maintenance.

+1 on the KA 240 as a daily, they are fun but suck as actual sports cars. They're more like a sporty grocery getter. Plus they don't have the miata gay factor so there is pretty much no reason to own one.

Fox body mustangs might come close in cheap speed factor but they don't handle or stop or do anything that any of us care about except for go fast in a straight line.

My turbo MR2 had ridiculous overheating problems, but when it was running cool it was fun car except I'd hit my head on the roof with every speed bump.

And if there was, I'd own it. I honestly WANT to like BMW and Audi, and have come danger close to owning both. But there is always some retarded hoops you have to jump through in ownership. Stuff that just shouldn't be going wrong.

They are supposed to be superior vehicles, wtf is the deal?

944's are god awful in every way.

If you must have a front engine Porsche, for whatever reason, id go for a 928/968 before anything. The 968 four with its variocam is not a bad engine.

4th gen Fbody.

-Large aftermarket
-parts are cheap
-fast out of box
-easy to boost with a rear mount or a front mount if you have an LS1 (can use factory manifolds)
-stock ECU can be used for almost every setup including BOOST
-dead nuts reliable (LS1 has the advantage but LT1s arent near as bad as people let on)
-strong factory tranny if you get the Manual which all real men will
-cheap
-versatile (good road course or drag cars)
-tons of info available
-plus if your not dead set on boost you can make 450+whp NA on the stock bottom end using GM head
-they get decent mileage with the T56, I got 28 mpg with 3.73s and bolt ons but untuned.
-The redneck hillbilly stigma can be almost as fun as the gay one

Why go 4th gen Fbody when you can get an IROC?https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347154865

$:Fun
 

If the yardstick is dollars to fun ratio, no, nothing compares.

I spend a lot of time (too much?) at the track and have seen every platform you can think of out in HPDE, TT, or racing. The guys that routinely spend the least, get the most track time, have the biggest field of similar cars to run with.. Miatas. Nothing close actually.

$:Speed for a production car, its the S2000. C5 Z06 is a bit more and costs a bunch extra to make bombproof. The S2000 is pretty bombproof to start and nearly as fast as a Z06 given similar mods. The difference is the car itself as well as the consumables and go fast bits all cost a bunch more than anything on a Miata.

Earlier BMW's aren't so bad in maintenance if you do it yourself. Still not cheaper than a Miata but not expensive as you might think.

Anyway, BMW's aren't much of a tuner car like the Miata. However, they are nicely balanced cars coming from a manufacture.

High mileage s2000's can be had for 8-9k.

Agree that consumables will go much faster compared to a Miata; brakes, pads, tires etc.