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Old 10-18-2011, 06:20 PM   #1
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For all the firearm carry permit owners out there... do you actually carry?

I've had my permit since 2008, and for the first month or two, I carried EVERYWHERE, then after the first few months, a few times a week, and so on, to the point where I cant even remembered the last time I carried; maybe a year ago?

Last week I found myself in a situation where I would have felt much better carrying, and thought about how I havent done it in forever...

Basically, coming out of a shopping center parking lot the other night, my wife and I in the car, and some ******* cut in front of us to hop in the front of the line at the light. I was pissed, so I pulled up next to the car (newer BMW 7 series) and yelled "what the **** dude?!", and this huge guy with dreads started yelling from the passenger seat, grabbed something next to him, and opened the door to get out. I took off down the road to the right because I was not about to wait around to see what he was coming at me with. I just thought about the situation later that night, what if I couldn't get out of there? what if he came out with a gun? what the hell would I have done? It was a shitty, defenseless feeling that I had, and makes me want to start carrying religiously again...
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I'd say on average I'm carrying 4 out of every 5 times I leave the house. The times when I don't are when the activity or destination basically precludes the possibility of safely and discreetly carrying a weapon.
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Basically, coming out of a shopping center parking lot the other night, my wife and I in the car, and some ******* cut in front of us to hop in the front of the line at the light. I was pissed, so I pulled up next to the car (newer BMW 7 series) and yelled "what the **** dude?!", and this huge guy with dreads started yelling from the passenger seat, grabbed something next to him, and opened the door to get out.
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what if he came out with a gun? what the hell would I have done? It was a shitty, defenseless feeling that I had, and makes me want to start carrying religiously again...
What I think it should have done is make you re-examine the risk/reward of confronting a guy who cut you off at a traffic light (particularly while your wife was with you).

Potential upside? You get an apology or "teach him a lesson" in vehicular etiquette.

Potential downside? You and/or she gets killed.

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there is no option for i carry with out permit
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I currently don't own a hand gun, but even when I did, I found it too awkward to carry most of the time. Especially in the summer with light clothing, and summer makes up 9 of our months here in the deep south. Eventually when I can afford to, I will purchase a smaller gun that I can more easily conceal and I will then begin carrying all the time.
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I've got a buddy in NY with a carry permit...that is linked to a specific handgun, for which he had to apply (and receive approval) before he was allowed to purchase said handgun.

Crazy.

Since getting my permit, I've gone through probably a dozen carry options, and currently have about a half-dozen carry options, depending on the situation. Everything from a Kel-Tec P3AT or Airweight Bodyguard J-frame on a pair of Barami Hip-Grips to a Kahr P45 or Steyr M9-A1. I can't imagine trying to guess at what would or wouldn't work as a carry piece in advance, and then being stuck with only that one handgun.
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there is no option for i carry with out permit
vote for carry.

this was more to see who has permits but actually utilizes them....

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What I think it should have done is make you re-examine the risk/reward of confronting a guy who cut you off at a traffic light (particularly while your wife was with you).

Potential upside? You get an apology or "teach him a lesson" in vehicular etiquette.

Potential downside? You and/or she gets killed.

Risk management: it's not just for portfolios.
absolutely 100% agree with you, looking back at it I should have just carried on with my own business. i had nothing to gain from saying that. but it was damn frustrating.... FL drivers are terrible.
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I can't imagine trying to guess at what would or wouldn't work as a carry piece in advance, and then being stuck with only that one handgun.
Agreed. Carry is such an individual and circumstance specific operation: body type, climate(s), activities, wardrobe, etc.
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I currently don't own a hand gun, but even when I did, I found it too awkward to carry most of the time. Especially in the summer with light clothing, and summer makes up 9 of our months here in the deep south. Eventually when I can afford to, I will purchase a smaller gun that I can more easily conceal and I will then begin carrying all the time.
that was a big issue I had as well living down here in FL. I had a glock 23 originally, too big, couldnt carry without printing, so I got a kel-tec .32 with a back-pocket holster that looked like a wallet. sold it b/c i wanted something with some more stopping power, and a bit better quality gun (kel-tec jammed on me numerous times), so I've ended up with a glock 36 and have found it very easy to carry. I'm using a UBG holster, IWB, very comfortable for a concealed carry holster. Well, I was using it... but seeing as I havent carried in a while..
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I've got a buddy in NY with a carry permit...that is linked to a specific handgun, for which he had to apply (and receive approval) before he was allowed to purchase said handgun.

Crazy.

Since getting my permit, I've gone through probably a dozen carry options, and currently have about a half-dozen carry options, depending on the situation. Everything from a Kel-Tec P3AT or Airweight Bodyguard J-frame on a pair of Barami Hip-Grips to a Kahr P45 or Steyr M9-A1. I can't imagine trying to guess at what would or wouldn't work as a carry piece in advance, and then being stuck with only that one handgun.
haha yeah. NY has some crazy laws.

In MD, it's near impossible to get a carry permit. You have to either be a business owner with a neccessity to carry, you carry large amounts of cash for a business, or you have a "documented need" to carry based on "threats".

So in MD, if you are getting held up at gunpoint, tell them to hold on while you apply for your permit, and ask the gunman to sign an affidavit so the threat is documented.
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Risk management: it's not just for portfolios.
So much truth here.

Always treat a gun like it is loaded. Always believe that the other guy is probably f*ing crazy.

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that was a big issue I had as well living down here in FL.
I'm right down here with you and all I've got to say is the right gun and the right holster. I hate square guns for carry. 5 shot, 38 special ultralight. It looks like you've got a cell phone in your pocket.

And I feel naked without it.


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Well, I was using it... but seeing as I havent carried in a while..
I sure hope you don't ever need it. I sure hope I don't ever need mine either, but I've got it.
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So much truth here.

Always treat a gun like it is loaded. Always believe that the other guy is probably f*ing crazy.

I'm right down here with you and all I've got to say is the right gun and the right holster. I hate square guns for carry. 5 shot, 38 special ultralight. It looks like you've got a cell phone in your pocket.

And I feel naked without it.



I sure hope you don't ever need it. I sure hope I don't ever need mine either, but I've got it.

yeah i think it was a wake-up call, im going to start carrying again.

I carried a 5-shot j-frame .38 special for a few days, and i just couldnt get used to it. i love the simplicity of the revolver, especially as a night-stand gun, but i had a problem with the cylinder bulging, kept bothering me.

I was a gun ***** for a while... i went through a new gun about once a month. I used to work at Shoot Straight over by the fairgrounds part-time for a few years (for mod-money, but ended up spending it all on guns, lol), so I was able to get a hook up.

I'd say if size wasn't an option, my favorite gun was the HK P30.
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Most times I leave it in the truck - as small as it might be, it's heavy (Para Ord P10) and find it hard to conceal when I wear tucked in polos - and I work at Universities (they don't like guns).
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When I lived in VA and had my permit I carried 99% of the time I was out except for when I was at school. When I was at school the pistol was locked in my trunk. Down here in SC I do not have my permit so I do not carry. I need to go get it though. Classes are always held on days I have other commitments which is the reason I have not gotten it yet.

I have found that having the proper holster is the biggest thing. I tried several different holsters for my PPKS and they were all uncomfortable or did not hide the pistol well. I finally splurged and bought a Crossbreed Supertuck and it was amazing. Made carrying a piece of cake .
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Last week I found myself in a situation where I would have felt much better carrying, and thought about how I havent done it in forever...

I was pissed, so I pulled up next to the car (newer BMW 7 series) and yelled "what the **** dude?!",
In a court, facing a jury of your peers, with a lawyer you could afford, and a DA who had a bug up his ***, it is completely within reason for the guy in the other car to claim self-defense HIMSELF, and HE reached for his weapon to defend himself against you, not knowing what YOU were capable of, or claiming you pulled up beside him and started to reach first. If you had then drawn your weapon and he'd killed you, it would be the word of your girlfriend/wife if she managed to live through it against his word... but you would still be dead, and he would probably walk because "you started it". The part about you being dead because you're a ******* idiot should really stand out here.

In other words, it looks like you need to re-read Massad Ayoobs commandments, paying particular attention to #3/5/10. If you are the kind of guy who starts **** with strangers in parking lots when not carrying a gun, you're just plain ******* dead as soon as you start **** with the wrong guy. Starting **** WHILE carrying leaves you open to be just as dead, but with the side benefit of going to jail for the rest of your life if you manage to kill the guy but can't prove it was righteous to a jury of your peers.

I have always maintained that while carrying, I would go to the ends of my ability to walk or run away from any situation that might result in me being forced to draw my weapon up until the point where I felt my life was actually threatened. Any other mindset and you're setting yourself up for going to jail for a very long time should you be forced to shoot somebody in a situation where you had multiple chances to just walk away. This is not to say you should ever hesitate to draw, it's just to say that you'd better be 100% certain that it's time, and both the law and whatever God you pray to are on your side.

In fact, technology is a mother ******. I guarantee that if you're ever involved in a shooting and it goes before a grand-jury, they will find this thread guaranteed. They will then have historical proof that you're prone to aggressive behavior and basically state above that you wish you'd been carrying last week when you started some **** and picked a fight so you could have killed that guy when he didn't run away from you. I would ask the mods to delete this thread after you've read Officer Ayoob's words below.

Commandment I: If you choose to carry, always carry, as much as is possible.
Hollywood actors get to see the script beforehand, and nothing is fired at them but blanks. You donít have either luxury. Criminals attack people in times and places where they donít think the victims will be prepared for them. Itís what they do. The only way to be prepared to ward off such predators is to always be prepared: i.e., to be routinely armed and constantly ready to respond to deadly threats against you and those who count on you for protection. Itís not about convenience, itís literally about life and death.

Commandment II: Donít carry a gun if you arenít prepared to use it.
The gun is not a magic talisman that wards off evil. It is a special-purpose emergency rescue tool: no more, no less. History shows us that Ė for police, and for armed citizens alike Ė the mere drawing of the gun ends the great majority of criminal threats, with the offender either surrendering or running away. However, you must always remember that criminals constitute an armed subculture themselves, living in an underworld awash with stolen, illegal weapons. They donít fear the gun: they fear the resolutely armed man or woman pointing that gun at them. And, being predators, they are expert judges of what is prey, and what is a creature more dangerous to them than they are to what they thought a moment ago was their prey.

Thus, the great irony: the person who is prepared to kill if they must to stop a murderous transgression by a human predator, is the person who is least likely to have to do so.

Commandment III: Donít let the gun make you reckless.
Lightweight pseudo-psychologists will tell you that ďthe trigger will pull the finger,Ē and your possession of your gun will make you want to kill someone. Rubbish. The gun is no more an evil talisman that turns kindly Dr. Jekyll into evil Mr. Hyde, than it is a good talisman that drives off evil. Those of us who have spent decades immersed in the twin cultures of American law enforcement and the responsibly armed citizenry know that the truth is exactly the opposite. A good person doesnít see the gun as a supercharger for aggression, but as brakes that control that natural human emotion. The law itself holds the armed individual to ďa higher standard of care,Ē requiring that they do all that is possible to avoid using deadly force until it becomes clearly necessary. Prepare and act accordingly.

Commandment IV: Carry legally.
If you live someplace where there is no provision to carry a gun to protect yourself and your loved ones, donít let pusillanimous politicians turn you into a convicted felon. Move! Itís a quality of life issue. Rhetorical theory that sounds like ďI interpret the law this way, because I believe the law should be this wayĒ Ė which ignores laws that arenít that way Ė can sacrifice your freedom, your status as a gun-owning free American, and your ability to provide for your family. If you live where a CCW permit is available, get the damn permit. If you donít, move to someplace that does. Yes, it IS that simple. And if you are traveling, check sources such as www.handgunlaw.us to make sure that you are legal to carry in the given jurisdiction. Donít let the legal system make you a felon for living up to your responsibilities to protect yourself and those who count on you. If you carry, make sure you carry legally.

Commandment V: Know what youíre doing.
Gunfights are won by those who shoot fastest and straightest, and are usually measured in seconds. Legal aftermaths last for years, and emotional aftermaths, for lifetimes. Get educated in depth in the management of all three stages of the encounter beforehand.

Commandment VI: Concealed means concealed.
If your local license requires concealed carry, keep the gun truly concealed. The revealing of a concealed handgun is seen in many quarters as a threat, that can result in charges of Criminal Threatening, Brandishing, and more. A malevolent person who wants to falsely accuse you of threatening them with a gun will have their wrongful accusation bolstered if the police find you with a gun where they said it was. Yes, that happens. Some jurisdictions allow ďopen carry.Ē I support the right to open carry, in the proper time and place, but has found over the decades that there are relatively few ideal times or places where the practice wonít unnecessarily and predictably frighten someone the carrier had no reason to scare.

Commandment VII: Maximize your firearms familiarity.
If you ever need that gun, it will happen so quickly and terribly that youíll have to be swift and sure. If you donít, youíll still be handling a deadly weapon in the presence of people you love. Making gun manipulation second nature Ė safety as well as draw-fire-hit Ė is thus doubly important.

Commandment VIII: Understand the fine points.
Donít just read the headlines or editorials, read the fine print. Actually study the laws of your jurisdiction. Whatís legal in one place, wonít be legal in another. Cities may have prohibitions that states donít. Remember the principle, ďignorance of the law is no excuse.Ē

Commandment IX: Carry an adequate firearm.
A Vespa motor scooter is a motor vehicle, but itís a poor excuse for a family car. A .22 or .25 is a firearm, but itís a poor excuse for defense. Carry a gun loaded with ammunition that has a track record of quickly stopping lethal assaults. Hint: if your chosen caliber is not used by police or military, itís probably not powerful enough for its intended purpose.

Commandment X: Use common sense.
Common senseóencompassing ethics and logic and law alikeómust be your constant guide and companion when you carry a gun. Not idealism, not rhetoric. When you carry a gun, you literally carry the power of life and death. It is a power that belongs only in the hands of responsible people who care about consequences, and who are respectful of life and limb and human safety, that of others, and as well as their own.
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In a court, facing a jury of your peers, with a lawyer you could afford, and a DA who had a bug up his ***, it is completely within reason for the guy in the other car to claim self-defense HIMSELF, and HE reached for his weapon to defend himself against you, not knowing what YOU were capable of, or claiming you pulled up beside him and started to reach first. If you had then drawn your weapon and he'd killed you, it would be the word of your girlfriend/wife if she managed to live through it against his word... but you would still be dead, and he would probably walk because "you started it". The part about you being dead because you're a ******* idiot should really stand out here.

In other words, it looks like you need to re-read Massad Ayoobs commandments, paying particular attention to #3/5/10. If you are the kind of guy who starts **** with strangers in parking lots when not carrying a gun, you're just plain ******* dead as soon as you start **** with the wrong guy. Starting **** WHILE carrying leaves you open to be just as dead, but with the side benefit of going to jail for the rest of your life if you manage to kill the guy but can't prove it was righteous to a jury of your peers.

I have always maintained that while carrying, I would go to the ends of my ability to walk or run away from any situation that might result in me being forced to draw my weapon up until the point where I felt my life was actually threatened. Any other mindset and you're setting yourself up for going to jail for a very long time should you be forced to shoot somebody in a situation where you had multiple chances to just walk away. This is not to say you should ever hesitate to draw, it's just to say that you'd better be 100% certain that it's time, and both the law and whatever God you pray to are on your side.

In fact, technology is a mother ******. I guarantee that if you're ever involved in a shooting and it goes before a grand-jury, they will find this thread guaranteed. They will then have historical proof that you're prone to aggressive behavior and basically state above that you wish you'd been carrying last week when you started some **** and picked a fight so you could have killed that guy when he didn't run away from you. I would ask the mods to delete this thread after you've read Officer Ayoob's words below.

Commandment I: If you choose to carry, always carry, as much as is possible.
Hollywood actors get to see the script beforehand, and nothing is fired at them but blanks. You donít have either luxury. Criminals attack people in times and places where they donít think the victims will be prepared for them. Itís what they do. The only way to be prepared to ward off such predators is to always be prepared: i.e., to be routinely armed and constantly ready to respond to deadly threats against you and those who count on you for protection. Itís not about convenience, itís literally about life and death.

Commandment II: Donít carry a gun if you arenít prepared to use it.
The gun is not a magic talisman that wards off evil. It is a special-purpose emergency rescue tool: no more, no less. History shows us that Ė for police, and for armed citizens alike Ė the mere drawing of the gun ends the great majority of criminal threats, with the offender either surrendering or running away. However, you must always remember that criminals constitute an armed subculture themselves, living in an underworld awash with stolen, illegal weapons. They donít fear the gun: they fear the resolutely armed man or woman pointing that gun at them. And, being predators, they are expert judges of what is prey, and what is a creature more dangerous to them than they are to what they thought a moment ago was their prey.

Thus, the great irony: the person who is prepared to kill if they must to stop a murderous transgression by a human predator, is the person who is least likely to have to do so.

Commandment III: Donít let the gun make you reckless.
Lightweight pseudo-psychologists will tell you that ďthe trigger will pull the finger,Ē and your possession of your gun will make you want to kill someone. Rubbish. The gun is no more an evil talisman that turns kindly Dr. Jekyll into evil Mr. Hyde, than it is a good talisman that drives off evil. Those of us who have spent decades immersed in the twin cultures of American law enforcement and the responsibly armed citizenry know that the truth is exactly the opposite. A good person doesnít see the gun as a supercharger for aggression, but as brakes that control that natural human emotion. The law itself holds the armed individual to ďa higher standard of care,Ē requiring that they do all that is possible to avoid using deadly force until it becomes clearly necessary. Prepare and act accordingly.

Commandment IV: Carry legally.
If you live someplace where there is no provision to carry a gun to protect yourself and your loved ones, donít let pusillanimous politicians turn you into a convicted felon. Move! Itís a quality of life issue. Rhetorical theory that sounds like ďI interpret the law this way, because I believe the law should be this wayĒ Ė which ignores laws that arenít that way Ė can sacrifice your freedom, your status as a gun-owning free American, and your ability to provide for your family. If you live where a CCW permit is available, get the damn permit. If you donít, move to someplace that does. Yes, it IS that simple. And if you are traveling, check sources such as www.handgunlaw.us to make sure that you are legal to carry in the given jurisdiction. Donít let the legal system make you a felon for living up to your responsibilities to protect yourself and those who count on you. If you carry, make sure you carry legally.

Commandment V: Know what youíre doing.
Gunfights are won by those who shoot fastest and straightest, and are usually measured in seconds. Legal aftermaths last for years, and emotional aftermaths, for lifetimes. Get educated in depth in the management of all three stages of the encounter beforehand.

Commandment VI: Concealed means concealed.
If your local license requires concealed carry, keep the gun truly concealed. The revealing of a concealed handgun is seen in many quarters as a threat, that can result in charges of Criminal Threatening, Brandishing, and more. A malevolent person who wants to falsely accuse you of threatening them with a gun will have their wrongful accusation bolstered if the police find you with a gun where they said it was. Yes, that happens. Some jurisdictions allow ďopen carry.Ē I support the right to open carry, in the proper time and place, but has found over the decades that there are relatively few ideal times or places where the practice wonít unnecessarily and predictably frighten someone the carrier had no reason to scare.

Commandment VII: Maximize your firearms familiarity.
If you ever need that gun, it will happen so quickly and terribly that youíll have to be swift and sure. If you donít, youíll still be handling a deadly weapon in the presence of people you love. Making gun manipulation second nature Ė safety as well as draw-fire-hit Ė is thus doubly important.

Commandment VIII: Understand the fine points.
Donít just read the headlines or editorials, read the fine print. Actually study the laws of your jurisdiction. Whatís legal in one place, wonít be legal in another. Cities may have prohibitions that states donít. Remember the principle, ďignorance of the law is no excuse.Ē

Commandment IX: Carry an adequate firearm.
A Vespa motor scooter is a motor vehicle, but itís a poor excuse for a family car. A .22 or .25 is a firearm, but itís a poor excuse for defense. Carry a gun loaded with ammunition that has a track record of quickly stopping lethal assaults. Hint: if your chosen caliber is not used by police or military, itís probably not powerful enough for its intended purpose.

Commandment X: Use common sense.
Common senseóencompassing ethics and logic and law alikeómust be your constant guide and companion when you carry a gun. Not idealism, not rhetoric. When you carry a gun, you literally carry the power of life and death. It is a power that belongs only in the hands of responsible people who care about consequences, and who are respectful of life and limb and human safety, that of others, and as well as their own.
wow... very good info.

one point you made... "I have always maintained that while carrying, I would go to the ends of my ability to walk or run away from any situation that might result in me being forced to draw my weapon up until the point where I felt my life was actually threatened"

key word, "while carrying". I can say that I definitely handle myself differently when carrying. I'm not the kind of guy that starts ****. In fact, those who know me, know I am not confrontational at all, but for some reason, I just felt it was neccessary to say something to the guy. Hell, that's the first time I've EVER responded to someone being an ******* on the road; I dont think I've ever flashed my lights or honked my horn at someone?
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I used to carry a lot. I really only carry when I'm traveling with the family anymore. Now that my daughter is a little older I don't feel as comfortable doing so. Mainly because I like to keep a round chambered while carrying. While my holster is a custom "in the wasteband" style. Little fingers and toes get into everything.

A short solution is "don't chamber a round while carrying." Fair enough. I debate this with the following: If I can run, I will. Most of the reasons are listed above. I have no desire to kill someone, and I don't want the hassle of a legal battle. I am well practiced, but on a stationary target while I am stationary. I would rather not test my ability unless absolutely necessary. This is why I feel that the time that it takes to chamber a round could be the difference between life and death. I will only do it if it is an absolute last resort.
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:00 PM   #20
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I used to carry a lot. I really only carry when I'm traveling with the family anymore. Now that my daughter is a little older I don't feel as comfortable doing so. Mainly because I like to keep a round chambered while carrying. While my holster is a custom "in the wasteband" style. Little fingers and toes get into everything.

A short solution is "don't chamber a round while carrying." Fair enough. I debate this with the following: If I can run, I will. Most of the reasons are listed above. I have no desire to kill someone, and I don't want the hassle of a legal battle. I am well practiced, but on a stationary target while I am stationary. I would rather not test my ability unless absolutely necessary. This is why I feel that the time that it takes to chamber a round could be the difference between life and death. I will only do it if it is an absolute last resort.
ah yes, another big debate. chamber vs. no-chamber.
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