I'm not a huge Camry fan, but a Camry handles like a Williams F1 car compared to an Avalon. I am convinced that the tie rods and A-arms on those are made out of stiff rubber painted to resemble steel.

I'm not kidding. A Lincoln Town Car with air-ride suspension is a better handling car than a Toyota Avalon.

On the plus side, you couldn't have picked a better target vehicle to crash into.

I'll take my avalon limited any day over a camry.

You know Williams suck, right?

My mother has both an Avalon and a Camry of similar vintage.

The Avalon is extremely comfy for long trips, but it actually scares me to drive in town. I'd far rather own the Camry as a DD.


Ok, fine. Insert name of favorite F1 chassis-builder here.

I've never drove the Avalon, but the camry handles worse than a 200k 4runner with blown shocks. How they could spec shocks that terrible, center display/radio that doesn't match the rest of the car, grey and tan interior, seatbelt beep warning that will make you want to punch the passenger, front fender with factory dents, etc. My wife works for a large rental car company and I drive almost everything on the road. The 3 worst driving cars Chevrolet Malibu, Toyota Camry, Chrysler Town and Country. The best driving cars Jeep Grand Cherokee, Kia Sportage, Mazda 2, Volkswagen Tiguan.

I wish I had a company car....oh wait, no I dont, because it would probably suck like this one lol.

Huh. I always felt the Camry to be pretty typical of a mid-size FWD car in terms of handling. If you hate it that much, then you'd probably think an Avalon handled like a Camry with a 200k 4runner with blown shocks strapped to its roof.

I had a '98 Cam-ray for a while before the Miata, and it was like driving a refrigerator box. The only reason I got it was the $900 price tag. Some fuckstick tried to steal the Alpine radio out of it and jacked up the dash, and my buddy didn't want to get it fixed - he was about to trade it in for a Lexus ES (he doesn't like to drive). I put the factory radio back in it, glued the dash back together with JB Weld, found $11 in change scattered in it, drove it for a year, blew up the transmission, and got $2300 when I sold it as a fixer-upper to some landscaper dude. I never even changed the oil.

Win.

Is it wrong for me to want an OBD-I M/T camry with the 5SFE just to turbo it? I mean have you seen the engine bays in those cars. There's this humongous sphere of space just asking, no, begging for a turbo. Stoopid easy turbo install...

But it's still a camry...

You just answered your own question.