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The umpteemillionth "what car" thread
There's back story here. I had a CTS-V briefly but I ended up trading it with my buddy's 2006 750i:
https://www.miataturbo.net/insert-bs...-gm-car-74484/ Ohmygod it's got luxe like a rap star's hotel suite and if feels so right, but it's probably a ticking time bomb that'll blow my budget to smithereens. So... my ideal replacement has: - luxury - a nice responsive auto, DSG if possible - 3-series sized, or between a 3 and a 5 - isn't a money pit like recent BMWs - a wagon would be a plus - drives awesome - >= 300 hp if possible, after a chip OK - $20k budget MAX, prefer $15k Does it even exist??! |
FD RX-7 w/ LSx and plushy carpet.
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I've been toying with the idea of an a3 tdi.
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Hmm how good are 2007-ish modded 2.0T A3's wrt my above criteria?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1060382)
I've been toying with the idea of an a3 tdi.
I've actualy been thinking of a cheap TSX or 4-door civic Si as a daily. Something DTI would be nice also, I'm just not sure if I want to deal with VW quality. |
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Uh oh Truedelta.com stats don't bode well. It's worse than the 750.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1381168016 |
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Damn Autotrader links. Buy this. |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1060392)
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Damn Autotrader links. Buy this. |
Originally Posted by MicaCeli
(Post 1060384)
I have had weird borring daily driving car dreams also. I might have Low T, it's not my fault.
I LOVE the seats in my wrx. First car I've ever driven that didn't hurt my lower back after a short or extended period behind the wheel. I'm just thinking something a little more plush, much better mpgs, and a inversed torque curve might make a better commuter car. plus you can still get them in the vw r32 type awd. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1060404)
I drive 50 miles a day, and spend about 2 hours in my car each.
I LOVE the seats in my wrx. First car I've ever driven that didn't hurt my lower back after a short or extended period behind the wheel. I'm just thinking something a little more plush, much better mpgs, and a inversed torque curve might make a better commuter car. plus you can still get them in the vw r32 type awd. Yeah the WRX's have been out for be because of mpg, heck even my wifes bimma gets 27mpg average and that's with a tune. Reason I am thinking Honda or something is cause of MPG AND reliability, VW seems to have issues with the reliability part. I have enough cars to work on, just want a DD that doesn't need my attention. |
2009. I'm getting an average of 23mpg.
It's also loud: trans whines, the gears/diff chatter, and it rattles a bit inside. When you get to spend lots of quality time with the car, those quirks arent as cute. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1060418)
2009. I'm getting an average of 23mpg.
It's also loud: trans whines, the gears/diff chatter, and it rattles a bit inside. When you get to spend lots of quality time with the car, those quirks arent as cute. My wife would divorce me if I buy an Auto though. |
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i'm thinking of something like this, with a turbo LS swap. MS3 + OBD1 for the win?
Used 1992 BMW 7 Series For Sale | Fort Wayne IN https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381176193 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381176193 haha "OMG". I'm sure this does not exist in the States. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381176193 |
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Infiniti G37, has 300hp+ these days, AWD option, decent size, luxury.
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we are looking at the G37 for the wifey actually. That and maybe in is250 or the c230.
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From the original thread:
I had a G35 and it was pretty close to the BMW (3-series) combination of "sporty lux." One thing I definitely noticed, in a good way, was the weight distribution being pretty even as are most BMW cars. I don't think you are getting a dual-clutch gearbox in any of the cars listed above. The G35 had a 5AT and I think the G37 has an option for a 6AT |
OK so some new candidates:
- 270 hp Mazda6 - G35 or G37 4-door - IS350 Can anyone tell me the FLAWS of any of the above cars? For example, an early G35 I drove had very annoyingly sensitive brakes. |
My sister is looking for a new car and we went and drove an Audi A4 (2013) and G37Sx(2011 I think). The G was spacious inside and I'm sure it drives good but I thought the seats were waaay to firm.
I'm also trying to get her to go drive the new Mazda 6's. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1060462)
i'm thinking of something like this, with a turbo LS swap. MS3 + OBD1 for the win?
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If I got a new car it'd have to be an s2000... xD HA!!! I'd never cross to the dark side :P the Acura tl sports are pretty nice, and this may be my youth speaking, but I'll stick with my miatas an old cars you can work on with out computers lol
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1060510)
G35 or G37 4-door
Real world MPGs on the Infiniti V6s are quite poor. |
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 1060649)
Sh*tty gas mileage.
Real world MPGs on the Infiniti V6s are quite poor. |
I'm coming up with incredibly good ideas but nobody seems to care.
Anyway, here: http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0 |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1060655)
yeah that's not great: Infiniti G37 MPG Reports | Fuelly
But then I'm not aware of any car that meets all those criteria that gets much more than 20mpg
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1060656)
I'm coming up with incredibly good ideas but nobody seems to care.
Anyway, here: http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0 You seem to be the only one that thinks they're great ideas lol |
the c250?
Mercedes-Benz C250 MPG Reports | Fuelly a 2012 is just over $25K. what was before that the c230? looks like that's just a touch over 20-21mpg, but a lot cheaper. the c250 has the small turbo motor that makes much better mpgs. I really like them. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1060510)
OK so some new candidates:
- 270 hp Mazda6 - G35 or G37 4-door - IS350 Can anyone tell me the FLAWS of any of the above cars? For example, an early G35 I drove had very annoyingly sensitive brakes. The Lexus has small rear seats. The Mazda is front-wheel drive and is not a "luxury marque." If you want a really outside the box idea, the late model Jaguar S-Type R is very cheap for what you get and are probably much more reliable than most people think. |
20 mpg average is OK. That's better than the 540i.
The Shaguar S-Type R looks interesting. But C&D complain about lack of manumatic selector. "Upgrading" to an 09 G37 from the 750i will require me to shell out cash. Doesn't make sense if the justification is to prevent the probability of me having to shell out cash to fix the 750i. |
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1060714)
The Shaguar S-Type R looks interesting. But C&D complain about lack of manumatic selector.
Really? That's a complaint? Who uses the manual mode in a true automatic? More than once or twice? My wife had an A3 2.0T with the DSG. I probably used the flappy paddles 30% of the time I drove it and I am a guy who will not daily drive something that doesn't have three pedals. The biggest challenge with the Shaguar will be finding a quality independent mechanic, assuming you don't want to work on it yourself. That, and properly pronouncing it as "Jag-yoo-arr." Do you like luxury? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381252733 |
True, I use manumatic mode almost only for engine braking going down mountains. The auto software (speed, accuracy, smoothness) is far more important than the presence of manumatic selectors.
Any idea about new replacement parts costs and availability of junkyard replacement parts? |
The new Mazda 6 is an excellent car but only 185hp max. See my response in your other thread .
Left field suggestion: Saab 9-3 Turbo X Sportcombi. They do exist. They are epic. They built some with a manual. They are CHEAP. |
Some interesting suspension tech in the 400 hp Shasguar S-type R:
From C&D A Torque Monster The CATS adaptive dampers, standard on R models, have been revised so that the two-position Bilstein shocks are now switched individually. Under braking, the front shocks tense up ahead of the rears to reduce dive. A similar strategy is used in cornering to reduce push at lower speeds and encourage understeer for stability at high speeds. Once the car takes a set in a corner, the inside wheels soften up to improve ride and rear-wheel traction. The resultant handling remains in a league with the M5 and Mercedes E55 AMG, but the ride is considerably more plush. Computer Active Technology Suspension (CATS) - system enhancement Jaguar's CATS system optimizes ride and handling by using uprated springs to increase roll stiffness and two-stage adaptive dampers under electronic control for ride refinement. The CATS system is very similar to that fitted to Jaguar's XKR. The CATS dampers have two sets of characteristics, governed by an electronic control unit (ECU). Sensor inputs are provided by vertical accelerometers on the bulkhead and in the luggage compartment, a lateral accelerometer within the under hood engine control module housing and a brake switch. The ECU automatically adjusts the damper settings in microseconds to suit the driving conditions, optimizing ride and handling. The result is a unique combination of agile handling, outstanding ride comfort and driver control. The operation of the CATS system is completely automatic, requiring no intervention from the driver. CATS is available as standard equipment on the Sports models and the S-TYPE R. CATS is a two-stage, adaptive damping ride control system that switches the dampers from their normal 'soft' to 'firm' setting and back, when certain predetermined road and vehicle dynamic conditions are met. The control module uses the information from the vehicle speed and accelerometers and compares this with a pre-programmed set of tuned parameters in the software to determine the appropriate damper setting. When the system is functioning normally, the driver does not have any visual indication when the damper settings are changing from 'firm' to 'soft'. System Benefits • CATS automatically optimizes ride and handling under all conditions, maximizing comfort, handling and driver control. • Provides refined ride comfort for normal driving. • Automatically changes all four dampers to stiffer sports handling when road conditions demand • Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when cornering, as with the original system, but now allows the inner wheels to return to softer settings mid-bend, giving improved ride comfort and increased tractability from the rear wheels. • Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when braking. CATS now allows the dampers to return to their soft setting earlier by continually monitoring the brake switch and instantaneous deceleration rate. This reduces the harshness of the road inputs during braking events. • Automatically switches the rear dampers slightly ahead of the front pair at low speed to reduce transient understeer, giving improve agility and turn-in performance. • Automatically switches the front pair ahead of the rear pair at high speed to increase transient understeer, giving improved stability. |
The S-Type R is a Ford-Jaguar. I wonder how parts availability will be in the next several years. There's a clean 2004 for sale near me with 100k miles for $9.8k.
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I will try to find you some links. There are a couple of places that serve the aftermarket, including maintenance and repair parts.
Also, where is hornetball's G8 suggestion? Are they holding value too well to fit the criteria? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381412512 |
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I think the Jaguar XJR is also in the ballpark, pricewise. Super classy. I might consider downsizing the wheels one inch if you can find some that will clear the brakes.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381413352 Eurotoys is one of the shops I remember reading about when I was contemplating the Jagyooarrs. |
G8 is interesting, but I dunno if it has enough luxe. Some complaints of tire noise. This 750 has spoiled me badly.
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That G8 looks great.
Were you satisfied with the caddy and only reason you ditched it was because of the engine paranoya? Cause if so the g8 might just work for you |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1061544)
G8 is interesting, but I dunno if it has enough luxe. Some complaints of tire noise. This 750 has spoiled me badly.
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1060376)
- isn't a money pit like recent BMWs |
G8 has REALLY held value. Shockingly so. Glad I have one.
I'd say the G8 is more muscle/performance than luxury (V8 supercar series rugby player). It's nice and quiet and rides really well, but not an ounce of real or fake wood anywhere. The leather is industrial strength. This suits me just fine -- I like the interiors of tactical aircraft. Jason OTH. LOL. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1061544)
G8 is interesting, but I dunno if it has enough luxe. Some complaints of tire noise. This 750 has spoiled me badly.
I thought so. I, myself, enjoy luxury. That's why you should drive the finest motorcar in the world. Jag-u-ar.
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1061624)
...And you're looking at JAGS? You're gonna have a bad time. Beautiful cars but money pits just like ALL the other Euro luxury barges.
They are among the finest motorcars in the world. Jag-u-ar. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1061652)
So you are saying you like luxury. You enjoy fine things. Silks. Furs. Fine exotic woods.
I thought so. I, myself, enjoy luxury. That's why you should drive the finest motorcar in the world. Jag-u-ar. What do you know of the reliability of S-Type Rs? They are among the finest motorcars in the world. Jag-u-ar. Maybe I'm wrong -- I've never researched the S-type R in detail. But It's a Ford-u-ar, and Fords of that time period are poo. If A is poo, and A made B, then B is poo. Amirite? |
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1061658)
Maybe I'm wrong -- I've never researched the S-type R in detail. But It's a Ford-u-ar, and Fords of that time period are poo. If A is poo, and A made B, then B is poo. Amirite?
You say that A is poo. If A is poo, an inanimate object, than A cannot make B. Unless A happens to by Mr. Hanky, the magical Christmas poo. More to the point, Ford owned a majority stake in Jaguar. That doesn't mean the S-Type R was built in the same factory as the Ford Windstar. I understand your skepticism and it may be well-placed in general when talking about Jaguars (certainly the older models), but I've had a number of people whose opinion and experience I trust tell me that the S-Type R (in particular the Rs) are very robust and an undervalued commodity because of the general reputation of the marque. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1061674)
There are a couple of problems with your metaphor.
You say that A is poo. If A is poo, an inanimate object, than A cannot make B. Unless A happens to by Mr. Hanky, the magical Christmas poo. More to the point, Ford owned a majority stake in Jaguar. That doesn't mean the S-Type R was built in the same factory as the Ford Windstar. I understand your skepticism and it may be well-placed in general when talking about Jaguars (certainly the older models), but I've had a number of people whose opinion and experience I trust tell me that the S-Type R (in particular the Rs) are very robust and an undervalued commodity because of the general reputation of the marque. Seriously though: If you know of people who have them and they are good, reliable vehicles, then YO OP!!! BUY ONE AND BE OUR PERSONAL MT.NET GUINEA PIG! :party: And I'd be sitting here all jelly and stuff. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1061546)
That G8 looks great.
Were you satisfied with the caddy and only reason you ditched it was because of the engine paranoya? Cause if so the g8 might just work for you I'm intrigued by the Stype R. I might test drive it this weekend. |
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I've always had a semi for the stype R. My grandparents had a standard stype with the 6, and it always surprised me on its comfort, performance, and handling despite what I assumed would be an anemic motor. Theirs is like an 03 I think? it even had quite the rasp out the exhaust when you got on it.
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I took a quick look at the <$9k 100k mile Stype R near me. Paint and interior aren't in great shape. It's a year newer than my 540i but somehow the Shag-you-ar's seat leather is cracked and holed and worn and the dash somehow looks aged. I wonder if BMW are unusual in that the interior holds up better. It will need a bunch of refurbishing. Probably better to find a fresher example.
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Leather is a bitch. Take care of it, and it looks great for a long time. Skip on treating it, and it looks like hell way quicker than even vinyl.
It is a good indicator of how well the car was taken care of. |
What about a circa ~2008 Acura RL?
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Infiniti M45. Big 300+ HP V8, RWD, automatic, luxury.
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1062023)
I wonder if BMW are unusual in that the interior holds up better. It will need a bunch of refurbishing. Probably better to find a fresher example.
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1062026)
It is a good indicator of how well the car was taken care of.
Also, Mark and Brain - stop with the suggestions. We've decided that Jason is going to drive the finest motorcar in the world. Jag-u-ar. This way he CAN BE OUR PERSONAL MT.NET GUINEA PIG! |
hey, I wouldn't refuse an F-type or XK...
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Dunno I seem to see more older BMW's with fresh-looking interiors than other marques.
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I don't think I've ever seen a BMW with a non-worn driver side bolster; even new ones.
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Where are you located again? Can't seem to remember.
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Do the right thing. May take some muscle to get 300hp though. Edit: Near 260hp with ECU tune though. Getting there! http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...56432368&Log=0 |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1062089)
I don't think I've ever seen a BMW with a non-worn driver side bolster; even new ones.
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Originally Posted by IB Nolan
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
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Most I have ever seen on TrueDelta |
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