When gas hits 10.00 a gallon...
 

What do you think will happen when it hits 10.00 a gallon? Probably in like 2 years the way things are going.

I've heard everything from too bad life goes on, to resource wars and being knocked halfway back to the stone age.

So what's your opinion?

People will get serious about MPG.

We are talking prices in the US, correct? I don't think it will happen.

In the USA, yes, they are already approaching that in the UK

I believe that is what people said about 4-5 a gallon only 2 years ago.

Gas was $.17 in 1930 and houses cost under $10k. As time goes on, people generally make more money and things cost more. I still don't understand why people are still bitching about gas prices. If you don't like, drive a hybrid or take the bus. *Or* STFU and buy your gas, just like everyone else does.

The majority of the people that bitch about gas prices aren't doing shit about, aside from bitching about it. What can you do really? I'd say its really out of our hands as consumers. Best bet would be a strike of some sort, but us Americans hate each other too much to do something like that. :ughug:

I am sooo tired of hearing about gas prices. Really, don't go out to dinner as much, or the movies, quit smoking, don't buy that $100 pair of jeans. Do you like to drive? Then deal with it! :vash:

Vash-

Gas won't hit $10 over the next 2 years. It's stupid speculation like this that is what's currently driving the price up.

Let's state that again. SPECULATION is driving the price up. Not supply and demand. There is plenty of supply of crude. This will be regulated eventually.

High gas prices lead to recession. It's already happening. If gas really were to hit $10/gallon you'll have other priorities to deal with first. Like food, shelter, and water.

I could'nt agree more.^^^
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Exactly.


Actually as I originally posted I was wondering what your opinion would be of what would happen if it reaches 10 a gallon not a bunch of bitching about why it will get there.

Here in Vancouver (Canada)

8 years ago regular (89 Octane) was selling for C $ 0.28/liter ( or US $ 1.05 gallon) (exchange rate was C $ 1.50 = US 1.00)

Today

Gas has hit C $ 1.50/ liter = US $ 5.67/ gal
(exchange rate C $ 1.00 = US 1.00 +/- a cent or 2)

$ 10.00 a gallon will be soon

I have 5 people under my roof and right now we spend between $1100-$1300 a month on just food. I get no assistance of any kind and nor do I want any. If gas gets that high then I think we will have a very large hunger and poverty problem on our hands.
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Does that include booze and eating out?

OF course everyone will have a large number of poverty problems, and there's already a large amount of unemployment. For like 2 years I've been considering running a "biodiesel" car. I'm really reluctant to run a turbo miata on ethanol, because ethanol has it's head shoved up its own ass. Why the fuck is it made from corn...god dammit people are dumb.

Personally I think more cars will begin running on E85, and we'll switch to something more productive than running it on corn. It's only run on corn because of lobbyists. It should be run on switch grass.

Also, Alberta Canada has the worlds second largest oil deposits. The already no longer want to be part of canada (and history implies they want to be in the US, the were once under the Louisiana purchase.)

Believe it or not, right now China is actually what's driving up the price of oil.

Nope.
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China's not helping things, and is driving up the price of raw materials like steel, aluminum, and copper and is introducing amazing amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere.

There was some towel on TV just yesterday saying that there's no reason for oil to be over $70/bbl with current supply and demand. Which includes China's consumption. The current bubble is speculation driven. The end.


You eat too damn much. I almost always spend under $100/wk for 2 people, and often times only $60/week if we don't eat out.

I see Hussein Obama and the democratic house and congress regulating energy commodity trading...and some Enron type shit uncovered.

HOPE and CHANGE.

I eat about $120 per week, but I'm putting away 4500 cals per day. I try not to spend more than $300 per month on wine...lol. Gas prices have really affected my wine consumption.

Well a big chunk goes to my wifes grandmother. Shes home all day and all she eats is that boxed microwavable shit. Without her we would easily be under 1k a month.
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hustler-you queer

lev-that's what you get for a free babysitter, one thing I learned is that business and family should not mix.

As long as people keep paying the $$ at the pumps, gas is not coming down, unless we get over ourselves quit bitching on public forums and start participating in local politics, shit is not gonna change.

when gas hits $10/gallon

I will have less traffic to drive in.

Two words: Reverse Globalization

The words "Made in America" will have new found meaning.

I was pretty depressed today when it took 68.00 to fill up my 4cylinder saab.

Still only 38-40ish to fill up my wifes 09 corolla. We only fill up once a month though since she lost her job, due to the shit housing market. The corolla gets over 40MPG on the HWY though, if I drive it decently. So at 10 a gallon, I guess it would suck, but I can afford it as long as I don't plan on taking any trips anywhere.

Read "The Post-American World" for a thoughtful warning of these types of possibilities.

China sucks, they decide to join the rest of the world after oil has peaked.
Christ if I spent 1300 a month on food, I would have to smother a few people in their sleep.

If it gets that high, This whole world economy shit will evaporate, and we can go back to relying on ourselves.
Will be entertaining when truckers stop hauling because they can't afford fuel and nobody can go to big box stores and buy whatever they want.

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Yeah I know, im not complaining though.

AMEN to that. Guys next time your local Congressmen are up for election you better pay real close attention.
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We are at approx 9 USD / us gallon in suécia right now. We're still driving, and amazed that you whine over your cheap gas.

On the other hand, escalades and hummers are not really as common over here.

OPEC doesn't want to produce more oil, keeping their profits skyrocketing. We'll keep on paying, and then getting tesla roadsters when we're fed up. I dont worry to much, as technology gets common, it gets cheap, sportscars will still be around.

Where are you getting your data? In 2000 gas prices were between 0.64 and 0.75 /l in Canada (avg).

I just hope that using a food crop to fuel automobiles doesn't kill too many people.

We whine because we obviously have a different standard of living than the rest of the world. Which technology is it you are referring to thats going to be so cheap as to replace everything that runs on gas?

When gas hits $10.00 a gallon I'll be doing my day to day shopping with a Ski-Mask and Full auto AR-15. :D

I have been entertaining the idea of constructing my own diesel electric hybrid.
$10.00 a gallon fuel would push these ides to fruition.

diesel electric hybrids are so overdue. they're the most efficient current technology choice we have. and nobody in the US makes one. they've got the highest "well to wheels" efficiency of any hybrid, gas, electric, diesel, whatever combination.

if gas gets that high, ill get a bike, and call it a day

Gas here is like 4.80 (91 octane). They say its going to get over five by the end of the summer. Of course its gonna suck, but there nothing i can do about it besides working harder for more money and paying for it.

Id blow my brains out long before it gets that bad.

I'm going to unveil my household teleporter right when the timing is right. I'll make MILLIONS.....:) Think, walking into your garage = going anywhere. :eek5:

Vash-

i'd buy it

I once played out a scenario with someone over the idea that there would be teleporters and all public roads and free-ways would be opened up as "recreational" I would go nuts. More recently I began thinking about the idea again and decided deserted us highways might end up looking like Mad Max, with junked cars and people ramming you on the road for their idea of "fun".

Diesel Electric hybrids obviously just make too much sense guys. A engine that has high torque and out put at low rpms, that gets 50 mpg highway easy coupled with something that takes care of all the stop and go traffic needs.

What I want to know is, if say 25 million people in the US switch to owning a hybrid. What's the battery disposal plan in 15 years gonna be? What we should be doing is Electric cars with Nuclear power to provide the country.

I hope Mccain wins for that alone. He plans to start a very ambitious nuclear plan for the whole country.

voting is great and all, but its not like anything is clear in politics. Everyone is in bed with everyone, and not one figure knows anything more than what the teleprompter tells them...which begs the question, who is typing in the teleprompter, because that's who you're voting for.

probably the same thing we're doing with the mercury in compact flourescent bulbs.

Nuclear is the way to go, and soon reality will reveal itself...and hopefully we'll have a president who can pronounce it because I can't take another decade of "its cool to be an uneducated redneck".

I've read that Nuclear energy is the best route we have, but yet so many hear the word "Nuclear" and think bomb.

Vash-

Nuclear is the way to go for short term solution.. When I hear Nuclear I don't think Atomic Bomb, I think:

1. Terrorist Target
2. Waste Disposal


I read an article once that stated Nuclear Facilities in the united states are equipped with Surface to Air Missile Batteries along with a 20mm automated mini-gun.. Something similar to the Raytheon Anti-Aircraft system on a Nimitz class Naval Carrier. Not really sure if thats true, but you have to admit an air attack in this day and age isn't even remotely out of the question.

Nuclear fuel is the cleanest and most efficent energy production we have to date with limited impacts on the environment, but theres side effects. The Majority of a spent fuel rod has little to no use and is a very very dangerous item if exposed to a multi-cell organism. These items will remain radioactive at a dangerous level for thousands of years with little solution to dispose of them. Right now, the only facility we have for long-term storage (outside of the radiation pools at nuclear plants) is to transport them via INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS to Yuccan Mountain, Nevada where they'll be stored underground. This I'm a little less worried about however. The department of energy reports that over the last 30 years some 2700 shipments of nuclear waste has traveled 1.7 million miles without any problems.. They're transported in nearly indestructible "casks" which have been tested to literally survive a train wreck without puncture. Thats pretty incredible, but theres still that risk there.

Personally I think this gas-electric hybrid crap is a fucking joke, and nothing more than an Ethanol similar bandaid to a bigger problem.

Only time will tell.

I worked at Los Alamos Lab for a while with the group responsible for those "casks." Let me just say that if one ever leaked, broke, etc., I would personally volunteer to visit TX and turbo Hustler's car myself.

Totally with you there.

lol i fucking hate traffic.
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Garage? Why not a telephone booth?

CNN or some other online "news" site had an article a few days back. It was all about how much people are hurting (their words) because of gas prices. There was a picture of some whiney bitch quoted in the article. And, in the background a new 40+ flat screen TV with a cable box visible.

Oh, you're hurting so much that you can still afford $30+ a month for cable and another grand for a new TV, but gas is hurting you? Tough shit, starve then. Hopefully you won't have the strength to breed, so we don't have to put up with more stupid whiney bitches.

12,000 miles a year at 20 MPG is 600 gallons of gas. If it rises another $2.50 a gallon, that's only 1500 bucks a year. If 1.5k is enough to break you, you're a dumb shit that needs to rethink your spending habits.

1500.00 Is more than alot of people in this country make in a month.

thats me, i am choosing to not take out of town trips as much and hardly ever leave my city anymore because gas is just too much to pay for.

Then you don't go out and get a new TV, have cable, cellphone, and all the other toys but whine about how poor you are. Besides, it isn't 1500 in one month, it's spread out over a year. That and the fact that driving isn't some Constitutional right.

There are lots of options: walk or bike, public transport, carpool, etc. It's easier to whine and hope you can get the gov't to hand you a check. All while having the latest toys to play with. Waaaa, waaa.

I'm just glad that SUV owners and manufacturers are getting hit hard with this. It's about the only upside to gas being so expensive.

It sucks that it is driving the cost of everything else up though. Fuck, the prices on food are going up with the gas prices. This country might be OK on just the high gas prices, but the way it drives everything else up is what is going to kill us. Myabe if some dumb fucking moron didn't spend a trillion dollars on a pointless war, we wouldn't be companing about gas prices right now. But that fucking moron won't do a damn thing because he'll be out of office by years-end and couldn't care less if the country tanks right now.

Also, due to how spread out this country is, mass transit is harder then you think. Sure it's easy in places like the UK and France.... but those COUNTRIES are the size of STATES here in the US. I do believe that companies should invest in figuring out how to make it work though. Hell, AMTRAK should get their ass in gear and take advantage of this situation and start making rail travel more convenient among other things.

Cities like Atlanta don't have any plans on relieving congestion. There were several projects that got shot down and now people are bitching that the highways are too small.

i actually had a "nightmare" about 3 months ago where gas hit $5 and i was going crazy! Gas is more expensive than milk.

All I know is everyone around here is buying scooters. Gay scooters. Wouldn't be caught dead on one given I was raised by Harley-riding parents. I bought a bicycle myself, but I think motorcycles, scooters, and bikes are going to start flooding the rush hour.

1500.00 is the same whether it's spread out or all at once. For people who live in modern suburbia walking is not really much of an option these days.:jerkit:

Everyone needs to watch these two videos, two parts from Discovery Science Channel, they speak for themselves:

That's awesome
...other than the fact that when you get into a wreck instead of being riddled with shrapnel when the tanks explode thanks to carbon fiber tanks you'll simply be shot into orbit hopefully thru a breakaway roof.

I almost had to end a motherfucker on a motorcycle today. All these fucking newbs on bicylces and scooters need to get fucking real. Going 25mph in a 40 on a motorcycle is not a good idea, and yes, the dude in the miata behind you is reasonable, but he is going to kill you for going 15mph under the limit.

How often do you see scuba diver's tanks explode though? Sharks have even bit them and them don't explode. Myth Busters did an episode trying to disprove the Jaws event of that happening, and they did it with the FBI, it took a heck of a high power rifle to pierce the dang thing. And that was an aluminum tank, and they are going to use carbon fiber tanks for the air cars. I can't find the vid for both of those right now, but I will post them later when I do. The carbon fiber tanks are designed to meet safety regulations where they leak air and don't explode. So, if you are going into a sniper war zone, and they have special carbon fiber piercing bullets, maybe you will have to purchase a "heavy duty" version. ;)

You should consider getting a TV. If you had one, you'd know that every form of motorsports in the world used a bladder in fuel tanks for the last 20-years.

First of all, there is a difference. It's called budgeting. Like car payments or a mortgage most people can't afford it all at once, but spread over time you can afford it. You may have to cut back on other things, but you're supposed to plan for that. Second, it isn't $1500 yet; gas has only risen about 85 cents, so it's more like 500 bucks. The TV was easily double that, and cable itself is likely that much each year.

My beef wasn't that gas prices aren't hurting some poeple. I'm sure the poorest are feeing the crunch. It's that the ones with the fancy new car (payments), the ones with all the latest electronic gadgets and all the luxury are the ones bitching the loudest. Those that spend more than they can afford are crying and expecting someone else to pick up the tab.

Re: the air car. How much efficiency are they getting vs. an electric? How much gas would an engine (say a small twin) take to pump up those tanks every day? Sounds to me like the "zero polution" engine is just forcing the problem onto the electric generating system. Maybe if you had wind or solar powering the compressor, but a coal plant is going to have to spew more polutants to increase capacity to power the compressors and charge all the electric batteries.