Why has no one done a boxer swap?
 

I was out trollin' around a junkyard the other day and the question came up between my friend and I, and neither of us could come up with a definitive answer.

Seems like it'd be a good swap - it's a short engine, the tranny looks smaller than the Miata tranny, blah blah blah. Is it too wide? That's the only problem I could think of. That and the intake/exhaust are swapped, but that's not hard to fix is it :).

Serious question, bro.

Because it would take a shitload of fabrication and there are tons of better options available.


...bro

Dunno bout that one. V8 swap? Maybe. FE3? Lulz. 2.0 stroker? $$$. I suppose everyone would just wank over a v8 swap, which would be the logical choice, but it would be cool.

BTW, 18psi:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/4...uper_super.jpg

BTW, before anyone calls me a dumbass or I get flamed to death, I'm not planning on doing it, I'm just curious.

EJ205s heavy? I figured since they're so compact they could be mounted farther back.

And yeah, any non-stock swap = $$$, but I bet if you shopped around and did most of the fab-work yourself you could be in at under the price of a 2.0.

Plus, then you have the boxer sound :).

Run unequal length header on any other engine and you also get the "boxer sound".


And with enough fabrication you could mount anything into anything.

Lulz, ain't trollin', just curious about this shit.

BTW, that question about the weight/placement was serious. I don't know jack shit about these engines.

A Subaru EJ255 engine is about 32" wide, and all of it is at the bottom. Go measure the distance available between the suspension at a point inline with the crankshaft.

http://img38.imagefra.me/i3b7/thradd..._24f_u77ts.jpg

Thanks for a real answer Joe. That's what I was looking for :).

Hey guys I'm considering a veyron swap. Think its possible?

I just want that w16 quad turbo torque

I think you just need a better fuel pump... don't quote me tho.

I dunno if you're just fuckin' around or what, but if you're not, then god damn you're an asshole. I didn't come in here going "HEY GAIZ I WANNA DO A BOXZER SWAP LOLZ", I asked why no one had done it. And when you gave me some fucking bullshit, information-less answers I asked more specific answers in an attempt to gather some information. And yet, instead of you giving me a strait-up answer, I had to wait for Joe to give me some real information. Guess what? I don't know jack shit about them, stated that, and simply tried to gather some information which actually answered my question. I didn't come in here talking about how it's so JDM and I'm going to do it to my car and I have so much experience because I had a 9,000 horsepower WRX.

Step off your high horse before you fall off.

I think a 2.5 Subaru boxer swap would be pretty cool. Weight couldn't be much more than the BP with turbo hanging off of it, and it could possibly sit a little lower and further back to keep a near perfect 50/50 distribution of weight.

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Are you fucking serious?

OMFGG HAHAHHA



How is my question any different from yours? How about a boxer 6 swap out of a porsche? How about a swap out of an airplane?

IM THERIOUTH BY THE WAIIII HURR DURR

I'm asking stupid random questions. I don't plan on doing anything remotely this involving, nor did I do even 2 seconds worth of research on the subject, but hey, ITS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION as long as you write "SRS QUESTION".

So back to topic:

You guys think a veyron swap is possible? I'd make it FWD of course.

lol, watts?

Seriously man, you trollin'?

No one else seems to think that it was an unbelievably stupid question that required sarcastic comments. Other people added their thoughts as to why it'd be cool/would/wouldn't work, you seem to be the only person who feels it's necessary to be unbelievably sarcastic.

EDIT: No research? No shit. I don't see why you find this to be so lulzy/troll worthy. I asked a question about something that had never been done before. I couldn't think of why it hadn't been done, so I decided to ask some people who are smarter than me.

No one likes the tuna around here asshole

Yeah, well I do!

18psi, check the 1337 section :).

asshole and tuna in the same sentence. Are you trying to arouse me?

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What are you on tonight? Trying to OD on Viagra? :laugh:

With threads like this who needs viagra?:D

If I was doing a boxer swap id try to do the whole drivetrain. 4wd miata? oh yea.

I thought about it back in the day. Asked if it has ever been done or could it be done and just like now most thought it was ludicrous.

The motor is ~31.
We have ~27 between the rails.
Also the mounting, it would hang mostly in front of the front wheels.

Even if you somehow managed to stuff it in there, it would require pulling the engine to get to the plugs, and the car would have the weight distribution of a truck. And that's besides the fact that the ammount of custom fabrication needed would probably cost more than the car and the engine combined.

of all the people here I should be the one most excited to do something like this since I love subaru's, but its just not even close to realistic.

I think I'm gonna do a 3JZ-GTE, chop the firewall and move it back 12 inches, then cut a shifter hole where the fuel and trunk release goes, and run linkages to the front of the trans tunnel.

I did but 18psi handled it well enough.:fawk:

Every swap is answered with the same fucking questions. Will it physically fit without retarded plumbing and ridiculous amount of fab work? Is it worth it?

Do you take a dump and have $10K drop out of your ass?

Why should a little thing like a frame rail get in the way?

k gaiz imma put two vetacks in the trunk but my question is would the flux capacitor fit into the differential housing if i did that?

kthx.

btw i had a handa b25d5 with over 9000 horsepowers so i definitely know what im doing

kthx.

do you plan to keep all the a/c and power steering shit? do you also plan to use the awd setup? you can weld the dif to make it rwd, but if you really want an EJ, why not go AWD? there's tons of support for the drivetrain, but the fab work that will be required will nothing short of insane. Insane is good though. If you find a wreck wrx or hell, even a older RS, you'd be ahead of the curve. all you would need then would be hundreds of hours of fab time and misc parts to make it work.

AWD turbo Miata? I jizz in my pants at the thought.

This thread needs more pink body panels.


I've stayed up at night thinking about neat swaps for every vehicle I've ever owned, or thought about owning...and I'll admit the Suby boxer comes up very few times. I'd consider it for a VW if the tranny is at all possible to work out, or for a specially made kit car a la Joe Perez.

I'm convinced the FE3 is the best out there swap. Very feasible...very cheap, easy to fab, and "throwaway" engines safe to 5-600whp.

Even if you could fit it the engine between the rails. The Boxer is an expensive engine to modify. There are much better options out there. So the reall question is "why would you want to?"

If its to be unique have fun your moeny your time have at it.

AWD TURBO MIATA!

That's all I need to hear.

this

An AWD Miata...

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Like This.....? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Iltis

While you can manipulate images and really change shit around in Adobe Photoshop, if it can be done in MSPaint, it can be done in real life.

Proof that the boxer engine will fit in a Miata:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3176/stiswap.png

After proving the boxer engine will fit, I went a head and tested a couple other theories I had in mind:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1373/355swap.png

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/712/wwswap.png

lol at the chainsaw 14 pack

Pusha ftw dammit!

Hey, has anyone thought of an air cooled VW engine swap? Front engine, rear drive, stock Miata transmission, adapter plate and at approximately 60hp it sounds like a real win. Seriously, why has no one ever thought of a swap like this? You even get the benefit of getting rid of the radiator. Win win.

I tried. I couldn't get it to fit.

That setup is kicking ass on the Hayabusa though. ;)

Kennedy Engineered Products makes adapters to plug damn near any engine ever made into a VW or Porsche tranny. 905 gearboxes are pretty popular as they're cheap and reasonably durable.

Then again, so are Sooby gearboxes, and they have synchros that aren't made of polished marble.

yer goin about this all wrong boy. ya gotta rotate that thing. 90 degrees or so. then you can get half the plugs while under the car, and half when you open the hood. :laugh:

18psi is the official pinata ninja master. you put up your swap pinata and he knocks it down with one swipe. unless its a v8

what do u say about this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...gine_Model.JPG

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S65



does the reverse exist? I would like to put a vw tdi motor in my miata. i would need a 300ft/lb capable gearbox that could fit a vw.

and dual carbs. every convertible sportscar enthusiast's opinion of pure awesome.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowr ofl::bowrofl:

Cost and complexity. Ever looked into the electronic controls on the M5 V10 and the M3 V8. Be a bitch to get it all to work. plus its still a pretty big engine for a V8 due to all its gadetry and DOHC.

Could get it done better and cheaper with an LS (and I hate LS engines).

I remeber back when the M5 V10 first came out all the ricers where loving it because of the 100hp/liter ( ricer math :facepalm:) but the LS7 was both lighter, smaller, simpler, cheaper, and provided a better torque curve. It was more power dense.

If you wanted a similar power band to the M3 V8 do a small cube LS and optimize it for 6K-8K rpm. And dont say an LS based enigne cant take the RPM, there has been a 408 at over 10K rpm. (fastest N/A T56 car)

Hey guys I wanna put an iron duke in my miata because I heard non-counter balanced cranks are super light, so it should be able to rev high? do you think it wil fit.

a serious discussion? kickass. omg yes. the m5 uses ionic sensing (since the saab patent expired) and i'm not even sure what other crazy stuff is going on in the stock ecu of either motor. buuuuut, i was talking with the guy who does a kit for putting the e46 m3 motor into a e36 chassis, and he is using a DTC-S100. http://www.dtafast.co.uk/S_100_PRO.htm when i talked to him a year ago, it had a generation newer hardware over aem, haltech, etc and had the cpu cycles to control the variable cam timing hardware.

i'm wondering if it could get it done on the s65? (or the f20c for that matter)

yup thats me too, even now. and your right, the LSx is all of those things. it blows my mind that a 1950's american design is that good. but it is (even if i would never put one in my car).

i would also highly recommend to anybody to go to see the 24hrs of le mans. standing on the side of the mulsanne straight as the v8 powered cars went by at about 215 was really effing amazing. u can even get crepes and watch the race :giggle:

In for Jesel engineer comments.

I would still prefer the M3 I-6 over any other V-8.

If the question is about doing a motorswap and doesn't end with Merlin, you got bad advice.

i'm with ya, but i'd say this here deserves an exception

http://www.h1v8.com/i/engine%20galle...tle_bodies.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS H1V8:

* 75° odd fire V8
* 2.8 LITER, 170 cu. in. displacement (3.0 liter optional)
* 84mm Bore X 63mm Stroke (67 stroke optional)
* 4 cams, 32 valves via internal silent chain
* 530mm wide x 485mm long x 530mm high
* 400HP @ 10,000 rpm with stock street cams (higher spec. is available)
* 245 ft-lbs torque @ 7500 rpm
* 200 lbs engine weight
* Billet nitrided steel 180° crank
* 4340 H-beam con-rods with ARP bolts
* Billet 6061-T6 aluminum crankcase
* Dry sump 0il system with 4 stage pump
* 7.25" or 5.5" Twin disc clutch
* DTA S80 full sequential ECU
* Unique cylinder offset and cam drive arrangement yields a compact design- Patent No. 7,168,405

ref: http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562069.htm

if i'm going crazy like that, why not get a 2.4 F1 spec motor that revs at 18k limited and still puts down 700hp?

$27,700? I better get two or three to make sure I won't be getting a bad one out of the box.

Q: Why has no one done a boxer swap?

A: Because it destroys lives and tears apart relationships.

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u been readin' the fine print again. never read the fine print. bad news lurks within.

yeah, i've always been a fan of panty swaps. boxer swaps notsomuch.

While we're at it, BMW S54 swap. DOOOOOO ITTTTTTT

What I want to see is a car with horizontally mounted motors, one for each wheel. Plus one for suction ala chapparal (sp). Plus one for lift so that way you can have zero weight which = infinite accelleration zero to sixty in zero seconds.

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Its over guys