Miataturbo.net Dyno day picture & videos
 

Heres my video and dynoif you have videos and pictures upload them here
car made 233 HP and 226 TQ @ 14psi
got rich at 6k rpm and loss a couple HP

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ArtieParty:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Braineack:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

BruceW (5.0L)
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Disturedfan121:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Mach929:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Paul's GF:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Mann (NC):
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Miataspeed2005:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Neogenesis2004:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Saint_foo:
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

all my pictures can be viewed here:

Mt.net Dyno Day - Nov 14, 2009

damn everyone dropped hp :(

Here's a few of the pics I took, I got dyno vids also if you want one of your car PM me with which one it was and I can host it.

http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (1).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (2).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (3).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (4).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (5).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (6).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (7).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (8).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (9).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (10).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (11).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (12).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (13).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (14).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (15).jpg
http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno (16).jpg

Here's a link to my pics: Dyno Day 11-14-09 pictures from racing photos on webshots

I don't have enough posts to PM apparently but here's your run Artie...give it another 15 minutes to finish uploading:

http://www.shopmonkeys.com/mt1109/dyno 024.AVI

here's mine thanks for taking it for me whoever did:

YouTube - 2006 Miata MX-5 NC Turbo 282 WHP dyno 11/14/2009

I was truly amazed at the 283 whp...I thought it would be closer to 260 considering how conservative my timing and fueling is.

Car made it home fine, I re-tuned it a little and then went for a drive today beating the crap out of it again! Say what they will about the NC motor but for being overreved at the track with two money shifts (4th to 2nd) and now pumping out double the stock HP its holding up not too shabby!

howd' you like my fake carbon top lol. paint was in bad shape and my friend offered to wrap it for so cheap lol

Very impressive. You need to get some videos up with it at that power level!

For the first time in 6 runs on that dyno, I for the first time was thinking the same. I felt like everyone was down 10%. Except for the damn NC :P

Although, when I compare my older dyno chart to this one, I'm quicker to spool (30ft-lb more at 3.5K), make the same mid-range, but this smaller compressor simply cant hold the power up top it seems.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Solution: Added boost this morning. So I should be running about 210hp/190tq. Works for me.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

It wasn't until I saw it outside that I saw it was a wrap...

It looks real untill you walk up to it

I hope so, I'm tempted to go to a different runner shop and get my car dynoed and see if the hp is right and if my afr are right to. If their wb was of by 1 point I would be at 10.5 now and 9's at redline!!!!! That's way too rich, did anyone see black smoke out of my exhaust at all? I can't see it on my video

it would certainly explain the mazdaspeed 3 like power dip you got going on after 6500 RPM.

I do remember what I'm pretty sure was your car blowing some black puffs out the back but who knows its a blur at this point.

it smelled rich. You're a full point richer than me throughout your entire last run on the dyno plots and my logs were showing high 11s.

Mine were reading 10.5 ish but his was 11.5 so I went with his since it cost"$3000"
I feel like I'm loosing power cause of that especially 9's at @6k

My car is in the low 11's high 10's according to my AEM WB when I just doing a casual pull....but as soon as I sink into the throttle I run deep into the 10's.....probably running much richer than it should be and I have felt like I've been losing power because of it for some time now...I really need to jump in and start learning how to tune or even tweak settings for that matter. I'm just so nervous to fuck something up.:vash:

Well if I had a couple of more runs on the dyno I would off got it pretty good

Jes shot a video for me:
YouTube - Mongo dyno pull 11/14/2009


MT.net dyno day 11/08 vs 11/09:
http://gallery.me.com/whitenoiz/1001...Dyno_2/web.jpg

That video gave me tingles.

artie, what psi did you make your low boost run at?

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

7.8 psi. I was running really lean though. I ran MLV after that 5th run and it increased the fuel in that row by about 1-2 points. I did that after I got off the dyno. I guess I could've stayed on and ran it there, but I didn't notice it til afterward.

ArtieParty, what PSI was your money pull done at? Is your engine built? Wondering what I will get with my built 1.8 still using the 2560.

Pulls 1-3 were done at about 14psi. The log shows it jumping from 13.2 to 14.0 and back to 13's the entire time. Boost controller is hooked up at turbo housing and not IM like I saw in another thread. Maybe I'll change that one day if I get bored.

Thanks. EBC or MBC?

I think my dream of ~275whp with the 1.8/2560 is unattainable. I may have to pick up a larger chinacharger and sell off the Garrett.

BTW, I know there was a guy on here getting big power with the 2560. I can't find the thread, but I think Brain was associated/helped tune it. It has a BEGI i.m. Did this thing go to the dyno yet? Anyone know where that thread is?

Both. Im running a Hybrid MBC/EBC in parallel.

275whp with the 1.8/2560 is very obtainable. I was doing this before at like 15 or 16psi with a stock 99 head, 95 bottom end, and a gutted 99 intake manifold. That produced 275whp and 263tq.

You're talking about Paul. he did 300rwhp at 14psi. yes he's dynoed a bunch of times on this dyno, that day he was there with 2 cars, just not his 300rwhp car. IMHO Brain didn't have anything to do with his tune either.

The following is 14psi vs 17psi. looks like 14psi is max'ed out on his 2560 as +3psi only got him 11hp but more torque obviously. I cool setup would be 17psi tapering to 14 at redline, if he wanted to push the reliability too.
http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-...l_311vs300.jpg

Also, I made 268rwhp @12psi with the 2560 on the same dyno and a theoretically less flowing manifold, stock '94 1.8. ABSURDflow parts help a lot in getting your goals. My 2560 spooled almost as good as Jes' 2554'ed 1.8 with BEGI parts.
http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/5-2-09/all_hp.jpg

Paul's dyno run database, all at the same dyno place (runs from last week are not there yet):
Index of /dynoruns

You can search for past dyno days to get more info.

Tim, he was talking about Ed's car.

I tuned ed's cruise cells, and abused the absurdness of it.

Can you dudes point me to the thread on Ed's car? And I will hunt out Paul's, as well.

Thanks, Arty, Brain, and Tim, for the info. I have something to work with and work toward. I just got a call from my engine builder, he has yet to crack the case yet. I'm very anxious to see what I end up with. I am thinking of this build as a test bed to see what the upper limits of that 2560 is, and sooner or later will be in for all new plumbing on the intake side to see if that helps us out. For now, it's all '97 bottom and top end, and I will probably use the summer to build up a nice 99 head. Once the 1.8 is built I will have no problem running it at 17psi+, so we'll see what that will put out.

Why would I think he's talking about Ed's when Paul's made ~25 more hp on a very similar setup?

Um, anyone have a linky to the build threads for either of these guy's cars? Or at least their screen-names on here? Real names are cool, but I don't know who they are.

(Will)

Paul and Saint_foo. I dont think either have build threads here....

Paul's build can be seen on his website.

Miatamx5.com

Once you're there, click on CARS, CURRENT, THE MACHINE III (RED 94)

That should give you a pretty good idea of what Paul's got in there now.

lol nah man these are people from before we did build threads, you will have to gleen the info the hard way like us vets did. :P

yeah I never made a build thread either and never posted pics of my car either except for the dyno day last week. I feel like I'm oldschool on this forum lol
and I really don't get how people take pictures on their builds, my hands get so greasy when I work on my car I could never take pictures.

My build threads got deleted by Philip. I had one for the twins and for Paul's car, at least for the turbo/downpipe/exhaust side of it.

Let me find saint_foo's is still here, let me find it...
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t36722/

I did find Paul's:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t14474/

And a pic of Paul's first turbo setup (MSM based, ohh nice downpipe I didn't remember making that) and the twins on his car which lasted about 15 miles.
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t13783/

You guys are the best.

Tim, I'll probably be calling on you when I can scrape a few schekel together after my winter build. Maybe when I'm building up my as yet un-acquired 99 head. I think I really want to keep the 2560 for spool in autox, and seeing I can probably make 300+/- with a new IM and some other goodies makes me hopeful.

does tim work on a payment plan of $50 a month?

But Saint_foo made 275/244 with a nice intake, big throttle body, 99 head "with work" and some different cams, should have been as close to paul's 300 as you can get. So you're results may vary.

Sure! You'll get $50 worth of parts per month in return.

I'm pretty sure if ed had better boost control (paul said it was tapering off) he would have been damn close to Paul's own numbers:

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

Hopefully we'll get Braineack down to TurboXS to tweak it. We only hit 13.9 lbs of boost. The Dynapack should put similar #s to the Dynojet.

I've got the Mazdaspeed intake cam from the Mazdaspeed Miata, purchased from 949Racing. Here's their snippet:
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Factory Mazda intake cam

99-00 JDM Roadster & 04-05 Mazdaspeed Miata intake cam

Drops right into 99-00 BP4W head.

.349 lift
251 degrees duration
The 99-00 USDM intake cam is .326 lift and slightly less duration. Adding this cam will usually add 5-6hp to an otherwise stock 99-00 engine. Expect a bit more if you have a header, intake and exhaust. No before/after dyno charts available for this item.
----

Also, I'd like to install COPs and see if there's any RFI noise, bad grounding somewhere in my electrical. I'm hearing a faint bzzzz in my headrest speakers. Nothing glaringly evident, but could be affecting stuff I would think.

Ahhh, I've seen that site way before I joined mt.net!!!

According to the Machine III, at 14lbs of boost vs my 13.9lbs,

Paul put down 272whp/236tq
Ed (me) put down 275whp/244tq

So, very similar power levels at almost identical lbs of boost. Negligible if you factor the cars weren't dyno'd same day, same conditions (since he dyno'd 2 years prior).

If we get up to 15-16lbs of boost, it's possible I might be closer to Paul's #s. He put down 310whp/260tq at 17 lbs of boost (I think).

come on dawg i posted your plots together like 5 hours ago....

Oh, I didn't click on the overlay graph...my bad. Where did you get his plot? I was looking at the numbers he posted on his site.

Grassy ass! :brain:

Paul's 272rwhp was with the OEM intake mani and throttle body.

I collect dataz.

Dyno Run Files

Ahhhh!

What were some of your guys AIT logs on the dyno? I run there 6 times now and have never seen my AITs go so high, so I'm wondering if they forgot to turn the cheap/shitty/weak fans on. I went from 60°F to 128°F at the end of one pull...I don't think I've seen that much on a 90°F day.


In case anyone cares...
I was checking my logs and it seems all my pulls were only 12psi, tapering down to 11.8-11.5psi at redline. On my 4th pull I flipped the MBC on, thought it was set closer to 14psi. oh well.

Point of reference, my dyno day was ~95*F ambient, my max IAT was 119F at 12 psi. There were at least 2 3' fans present at the front of the car.

BTW Brain, your recent work on some threads vis driveability has been valuable. This concerning the dyno thread: turning off the tps enrichment and the cold start thread: ASE tuning. I am pretty sure my recent loading up on the highway at cruise was caused by accel enrichment kicking in because the tps was not calibrated correctly, or is getting emf "noise." Getting power on the dyno is, IMHO, easy compared to tuning some of these finer point. The point of this ass-kissing is that I probably need help. More to come...

tuning fuel in boost is cake, it's all the other crap that takes finesse.

Werd. ahemblowjobforfinetunehelpahem.

How do you flip on an MBC?

Lemme go get my laptop from my car and check AIT's for my pulls.

I use my EBC as a bypass. If it's powered then i send the boost through the MBC, if unpower I send boost straight to the actuator.

MAT's

Run 1 - 69 degrees up to 89
Run 2 - 71 degrees up to 97
Run 3 - 77 degrees up to 104
Run 4 - Forgot to log
Run 5 - 81 degrees up to 98

Last year
Run 3 - 73 degrees up to 96



Doesn't look like theres much difference from last time. I do know that the fans were on for my runs both dyno days.

Quick comparison:

My setup now vs Jan's (johndoe) setup a year ago. Both have 2560. Both have 94 blocks and stock 95/94 heads. He was running at 14.5 psi while mines at 14.0 psi.

http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/12...600x600Q85.jpg

I can't see your graph cause that site is blocked here at work. But I do have johndoe's vs my Absurdflow BEGI/FM tubular replacement mani & DP. I'm at 12psi on run 1, 13psi on run 5. Just to show you how cool I am posting dyno runs even though I didn't dyno on this dyno day.

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/att...vs-begi_hp.jpg

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/att...vs-begi_tq.jpg

i think my iats were doing ~60 to ~104. i think a bigger intercooler will be safer for my motor