You think our turbos are small...
 

This is mounted to a 2013 ford fusion eco boost 2.0l. Look at that turbine!:rofl:https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1371684284

I see nothing but failure.

(edit for explanation: he forgot to post the image the first time around. It's now fixed.)

It's so small you can't even see the picture.

What is this, a turbo for ants?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371686712

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371686935

http://www.motoman.tv/Portals/0/Edit...%20Charger.jpg

Techsalvager probably busted a nut over that turbo

:rofl::rofl:

Why is a 2013 rusting already. I have no rust on my '93 miata.

dat rust

Reminds me of ford mustangs. Pull off the lot, days later rusted rearend

Lol, easy Zoolander!

I can't resist.

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But why small turbos?

It had 9800 miles on it.

I think most people that buy ford passenger cars would rather have instant response vs lag and topend. Also, I may be wrong on this, but I think more fuel is wasted trying to get up to speed than cruising so a quick spooling mini turbo helps with fuel economy too.

In saying that,

That thing is micro penis. I would be ashamed to be in possession of said turbo.

it's a fusion. most people want smooth power delivery and low end torque, coupled iwth good fuel economy. hence an inline 4 with tiny terbo.

Yeah tiny turbos are all the rave:

this is the ABARTH:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

I remember thinking the diameter is about my silver dollar nipple size. (I realize I could have said just silver dollar size.)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823


Turbo on the Sonic:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

this is a 1.4L that barely makes 100hp.


Ford ECOBOOST turbos:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

built into the manifold:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

Note that the wastegate is normally open and the wastegate uses vacuum to pull it closed. I also remember the turbo/manifold thing being bolted onto the motor kinda like a subaru up-pipe where there was just one exhaust outlet.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823


another ford ecoboost:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

hey look, a silicone drain hose. :eek:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823




And finally, these are instruction on how to use a manual transmission, incase the ABARTH couldn't be more retarded:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

That OEM manifold design makes me feel bad about my greddy ... as if I already wasn't ashamed.

I'm guessing the rust is because Michigan. That's just how it is up there.

I am also puzzled at the teeny turbos because smaller turbos actually hurt fuel economy.

When accelerating moderately it hurts economy to have boost. When cruising, you want minimum restriction for best economy. So the tiny turbo produced unneeded boost at lower throttle openings and unneeded restriction at cruising speeds. No wonder these little turbo motors never really achieve the fuel economy numbers projected.

Changing to a larger turbo on my old XR4Ti with no other changes netted me at least 3 mpg increase due to the reasons stated above.

They are tiny because people do not like/can't handle turbo lag of any kind. Most people also do not rev cars higher than 4.5k rpm and that is when bigger turbos just start to get into their powerband.

closed loop.


but also those turbos are pretty transparent. I drove a Sonata 2.0t the other day and I could barely tell it was turbocharged, peak tq is like 2000rpm.

Buddy of mine bought a Chevy sonic (full blown homo, just needs monster energy decal). If I remember correctly, it sports a 1.4 liter 4 cylinder with a tiny turbo.
It's also a 1/4 mile dominator as seen here:

1/4 mile dominator? I think they are like 16 seconds 0-60 1/4 mile.

It's not about the size, it's what you do with it, right?



I wonder how hard one of those would be to convert for rwd and fit to a miata transmission. ~200hp and 40ish MPG in a miata sounds like a fun street car. More just for the novelty of having a 3-cylinder car.

wow... ive never seen a speedometer climb that slowly... not on anything ive ever driven...

Not a problem if wastegate is wide open at cruise.

Is the huge outlet horn because catalytic converter?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371728823

probably, still a good design, I like how everyone is reintroducing bypassed wastegate exhausts...much like the EFR turbos.

Just LOOK. LOOK AT THIS TINY FUCKER.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371744742

was just about to mention the same thing.

that's pretty awesome. the technology is catching on and is here to stay. that means (hopefully) efr's will be dropping down in price because it won't be the cool new tech on the block. I'm hoping that happens sooner rather than later:giggle:

like.... before you slap on the SC? lol

I felt the same way about the MSM turbo prior to the AEM CAI mod, it didn't even feel like it was boosting - but then that was the designers aim apparently, it was meant to feel like a small 6 cylinder, smooth throughout the power range.

If I've got a turbo, I wanna feel the boost DAMN-IT!

Yeah, like tomorrow:party:
Not sure I agree with that. The way the ecu is programmed on the msm is exactly the opposite of the v6 feel. More like honda vtec feel actually. Its terrible. Probably to conserve the stock (weak) rods and clutch.

Next time put your junk next to it. :giggle:

Now, now this thread is about tiny turbos :party:

Then it would like like a huge turbo.

I suddenly don't feel so bad about my msm turbo...

Oh gawd imagine what the size of the turbo they will put on the new miata... :(

More like people are retarded. Why would anyone need instructions on how to use reverse gear?

Fiat knew they were marketing a car to people who are not actually enthusiasts but knew still many would get a manual i spose, kind of like the new mini, lots of 'new enthusiasts' who just learned to drive manual.

Dann

its also probably the sloppiest shifter I've ever had the privy to stroke.

ha
if you feel inferior just go check out any euro 1.8t
suddenly your peepee will grow:party:


But seriously I think these little turbos are pretty good. as long as they're not choked up by stupid electronics or exhaust parts too much you get a bunch of torque, and decent gas mileage. in a daily driver that's pretty sweet.

if the next miata will have like 220-250hp and similar torque and not weigh more than 2500lb I think it will be a hoot

You described a GT2554 setup which I ran for nearly 10 years.

Yep. I think its an age thing: the older I get the less I care about swinging schlong on the street with a giant turbo and the more I'm happy with a broad powerband and snappy response. My next setup will be a EFR6258 or something equally responsive.

Not race car of course.

I wonder how these little ecoboost pea shooters would do on our BP's.

Ever driven an 88-92 MX6/626 GT with a stock turbo?

It'll feel a lot like that.

Put tiny turbo on car. Spend millions on marketing. Sell like hotcakes. Profit. Worry about overheating and poor economy complaints later.

I'm sure they're fantstic cars...if you never spool the turbo.

Love my combined 36mpg Mazda3 and 30mpg CX5. ;)

Glad I didn't hold out for a Ford.

Ford announces fix for 1.6L EcoBoost engines in 2013 Escape and Fusion - National Auto Reviews | Examiner.com

Is there any other way? lol

Is it a 1.6l? I could have sworn the one we had in for an oil change was a 2l. In that case I give props because it actually had decent power, and that fusion must be over 3k lbs.

I think there is a 2L and a 1.6L.