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richbobby 07-31-2022 12:45 PM

New ditherer joins group! Lots of pics!
 
Hi MT!

So about a two months ago, in a moment of weakness, I bought a MSM. I will now chronicle my experience to date, which involves spending a bunch of money and not actually driving around much.

Driving it home. Wheel/tire setup was horrid, and got changed first
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It was still embarrassing to drive at this ride height, So I found a set of vmaxx xtreme used coilovers on craigslist. Also changed all the fluids around this time, bled the brakes, swapped plugs (the ones that came out were gapped to .070!), all the normal new/used car stuff.

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much better! Ride is great! Well, it was, until the front left shock blew on redwood road. The vmaxx sold me 2-for-1, so while my used cheap coilovers are less cheap, they are now in good shape and will get me by for now. Great customer service from them with the hookup, and quick shipping from the NL

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I want a little more out of the car, so I made an intake, installed a full exhaust, wb02, and a megasquirt PNPpro. Fun! Now the car makes the right noises, but is burning a ton of oil. A catch can, check valve, and lots of carb cleaner later, I was all good. Drove around for a week or two and started tuning the car’s drivability, idle, and boost on WG spring. So much fun! Car feels pretty strong, creeping to 10psi or so. But, it was smoking on overrun, especially bad after boosting, and getting worse. Engine has perfect compression & crank case breathers are routed to catch cans, so figure it’s oil blowing by the turbo on the turbine side, as I have little/no oil in the intake track.

so out comes the turbo.
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Pretty nasty, very tiny little guy. I’m going to throw a rebuild kit at it to see if it fixes the smoke issue. Would like to try to make this work for now, while I dither away on better setups. I'd love to do the kraken low mount, but no EGR + California would have me doing a lot of wrenching come emissions time. Will be looking for a spare motor to build up over the next year or so, for a higher power (~300-350) whp setup.

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more nasty. Also, cracks!

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Turbo rebuilt. WG ported. Shaft has pretty much the same amount of play, and I prob pooched the compressor side oil seal ring stuffing it in there. We'll see how that goes..

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the PO was a bodyshop guy and did a lot of interesting and weird show-car style things, painted the car a BMW I8 color, smoked the headlight/tail lights, smoked the gauge lens (you cant see them at all! so dumb), sanded and painted a lot of the interior trim piano-black (actually like this, besides the fingerprints), and put in a pretty decent system. I’ll undo some of his work (and most all of his mechanical work) and leave some of the unique bits

Ty did not like the old wheels either

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Car was leaking oil from multiple sources, so I did the timing belt and associated do-dingles

before:

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shoutout to the PO for trying to seal the VCG with "the right stuff"

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After:


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I also decided to pull the trans, as I had wrongly assumed that the rear main was leaking. It was either the VCG puking oil down the head and eventually down to the oilpan/bellhousing area, or maybe the oil galley/hg at the rear of the head is leaking some.

I did find a pretty pooched clutch and FW in there, and some loose bolts-n-stuff. So add that to the bill I guess

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anyways that's where I'm at. Waiting on a few bits to get the turbo back on, need to extract a broken stud out of the little down-elbow thing that bolts to the turbine housing, and decide if I want to reuse this flywheel or just buy a whole new setup. Maybe a FMII or perhaps the supermiata? I'm going to pour a little more gas on the wallet fire, I need to get this thing back together before I cycle in rotation at work, where I wrench on much bigger, much louder, things that (sometimes, hopefully) go to space!

ozbrock 07-31-2022 02:23 PM

I saw this car for sale on FB for while. Glad to see you're building it up better! I do like that paint color on it.

emilio700 07-31-2022 03:32 PM

Welcome to the fray!

richbobby 07-31-2022 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by ozbrock (Post 1625553)
I saw this car for sale on FB for while. Glad to see you're building it up better! I do like that paint color on it.

The PO was interesting, but I think we have a different definition of mechanically sound!

@emilio700 Thanks! Is it reasonable to think your sport clutch with the organic disc would be fine for a stock-internal MSM?




ozbrock 07-31-2022 04:52 PM

I'm running the Supermiata organic clutch with their lightweight flywheel in mine at ~200whp no issues, you will love it.

emilio700 07-31-2022 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by richbobby (Post 1625557)
The PO was interesting, but I think we have a different definition of mechanically sound!

@emilio700 Thanks! Is it reasonable to think your sport clutch with the organic disc would be fine for a stock-internal MSM?

Assuming you got the OEM size BP kit, they are rated for 290 ft-lbs @crank

technicalninja 08-01-2022 12:38 AM

One nice thing regarding the SM clutch disc is that it covers the entire friction surface on the flywheel.
The FMII disc is 8.25" in diameter and the SM disc is 8.8".
The SM disc looks to have 15% more swept area and the additional coverage is on the outside where it should have the greatest effect.
The ID of the friction surfaces appeared identical between the two.

My SM set came in Center Force boxes, and I checked prices on the Internet.
A quick search showed SM was actually one of the least expensive sources.
SM's pricing is very competitive on everything they sell.

My MSM came with a nearly new FMII happy meal.
I am replacing it with the SM kit.
I bought a new organic set from a forum member but had I bought from SM I'd have gotten the ceramic option.


richbobby 08-04-2022 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by technicalninja (Post 1625572)
One nice thing regarding the SM clutch disc is that it covers the entire friction surface on the flywheel.
The FMII disc is 8.25" in diameter and the SM disc is 8.8".
The SM disc looks to have 15% more swept area and the additional coverage is on the outside where it should have the greatest effect.
The ID of the friction surfaces appeared identical between the two.

My SM set came in Center Force boxes, and I checked prices on the Internet.
A quick search showed SM was actually one of the least expensive sources.
SM's pricing is very competitive on everything they sell.

My MSM came with a nearly new FMII happy meal.
I am replacing it with the SM kit.
I bought a new organic set from a forum member but had I bought from SM I'd have gotten the ceramic option.

Thanks! Ordered the organic kit from SM. Trans is back in the car, hopefully I can button everything up tonight!

the U Joints on the OEM driveshaft are pretty much done, and on closer inspection it looks like I need motor mounts, too. Yay cars!

richbobby 08-05-2022 09:40 PM

1. 100/75 - 25%
2. 100/68 - 32%
3. 100/87 - 13%
4. 100/74 - 26%

pressuring the crankcase aka think the rings are in bad shape.

was still getting smoke after (moderate- breaking in that new clutch) boost, decel in gear to low rpm. Did the harbor-freight walk of shame, acquired leak down tester. Sigh.

richbobby 08-06-2022 11:09 PM

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👀👀

richbobby 08-13-2022 02:51 PM

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I sure hate RTV. Temp motor (97 block, stock bottom end, 2000 head, arp stud kit, metal HG, msm oil pan/baffle) is pretty much ready to go back in. The pan job came out pretty clean, though I think my RTV bead was a little thick- maybe a little too much squeezed out on the inside. It’ll get a few days cure time as I wait for a few little things to slap this thing back into the car.

Going to run stock cooling setup for now, figured I’d wait to sink the money into a reroute until I know this motor runs ok. Found the engine through a friend at work, so I have a pretty high confidence that it’s not shit. Cyl walls looked fine, head is super clean, fingers crossed this’ll get me by as I build the original engine’s bottom end. Eventual plan is just 275-300 whp, reliable, and easy to work on. this engine/stock turbo will be a backup/ maybe even a toss in for emissions time- if it’s complete, an engine swap is pretty easy in these things.

Panici 08-17-2022 09:43 AM

Great work so far. Subbed for updates!

richbobby 08-30-2022 05:31 PM

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car is back on the road. Motor swap took about 1 week end to end, most of which was spent cleaning 100k of oil leaks from everything. The new motor feels great, and doesn’t smoke!

been working on my tune, and it’s getting close. Still some weird behavior in corner cases, likely just me being stingy with fuel.

Running on the WG spring, I am leveling at 10lbs of boost. AFR’s are happy in the high 11’s, and the car feels strong. It’s been 15 years since I’ve done any tuning (and all my experience is on rotary) so it’s a bit of a learning curve. I used the turbo kitty timing map and pulled some timing in boost. Last thing I want to do is blow this thing up.

prob will install a cat, to help with boost creep and reduce girlfriend complaints.

I’m going to work on the tune for a little while longer and post up the msq/logs for y’all to tear apart

I also grabbed a new set or springs from flyin miata. Raised the car up to a more reasonable ride height, the roads in the Bay Area are pretty trashed..

also also, I installed a pass side AWR MM. Which is fun, but is shaking all the janky audio work the PO did. Derp.

Panici 09-12-2022 10:25 AM

Looking good. Post some screenshots of your logs for us to see!

richbobby 09-13-2022 02:29 AM

For sure! I’ll share the tune when I remember to bring my laptop inside 🤣

had a bit of an adventure this weekend! I was about an hour from home the car suddenly started missing really hard, complete with tacho going nuts and relays clicking. Thought my main relay had dumped, but pulled a quick log and was getting data through the drops.

limped it home, and was working under the theory that my CPS or CAS was failing with heat. logs showed a loss of sync, the composite logger showed I was getting extra pulses from the CPS that corresponded to the miss/drop.

went to pull the sensor and found this:

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the little plastic clip that retains the lead let go, wire got loose and shorted on the WP pulley. Easy fix and a new sensor is on the way. Felt pretty silly, but glad I can point the finger at myself and I’m not chasing some weird electrical gremlin.


I also tore down the original motor tonight.


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cyl 2 and 4 had some pretty heavy gouging as pictured. Looks like something got in there and took a ride.

I was expecting to find ring damage, but they all actually looked good, at least on a first pass. All bearings were in place and looked normal. Nothing jumped out at me. I will clean everything really well and inspect when I have some time. I’ll also have a look at the oil pump.

curious what y’all’s thoughts are. The head also looked pretty much normal.

there was some bits of crap and metal in the pickup tube:

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pistons had some odd scratches on them.
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time to take the block to the machine shop and make a plan for pistons/rods! I also have a VVT block, which I am considering building instead. I’d need to get a vvt head, so I’m not sure it’s worth it.

HarryB 09-13-2022 09:09 AM

You can always use your non-VVT head with the VVT block

redmazdaspeed88 09-13-2022 09:09 AM

Great car! I was originally looking for a black MSM. Love the rims. Them 15inch wheels make a heck of a difference compared to the stock 17's.

richbobby 09-13-2022 12:56 PM

so some thoughts:

the gouges seem to only go up to the peak of the oil control ring travel. I'll inspect them closer but I didn't see anything too funky on teardown.

If I had some fod in the oil, which judging from the oil pickup mesh it looks like I did, I'd expect to see bearing damage, but all the bearings looked pretty good. I can line them up and take some pictures.

The head bolts were REALLY tight. Like, both sections of my jackhandle on a breaker bar, motor braced against the wall because I was going to flip the stand, tight.

the crankshaft felt amazing, was spinning with very little resistance w/ the mains torqued. Makes me wonder if the clearance was too much.

The piston to wall clearance seemed really large. I was rocking the pistons back and forth easily, and could slip a .015" feeler in. Seeing some conflicting info on the piston clearance, but it felt like a lot. I'll mic the pistons, and see if I can scare up a bore gauge.

pretty strange. I am thinking someone rebuilt the motor, and f'ed up the oil control rings somehow.

technicalninja 09-13-2022 01:20 PM

Use the VVT block for your build. Heads will interchange at will.
MBSP, better thrust bearing design, bigger oil pump, more bolts for motor mounts (if VVT pan is used) are all upgrades from the bp4w.
You cannot use 1.6l stuff but all the 1.8 crap will transfer.

Only thing better than a VVT core to start from is an MSM core.
Only difference VVT to MSM is the MSM has both an oil port and cooling port on the left side of the engine for the turbo.

P to W clearance is taken 1/2" below the pin on the piston so the feeler gauge is not real accurate up at the top.
Still sounds like a shitload of clearance...

richbobby 09-13-2022 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by technicalninja (Post 1627860)
Use the VVT block for your build. Heads will interchange at will.
MBSP, better thrust bearing design, bigger oil pump, more bolts for motor mounts (if VVT pan is used) are all upgrades from the bp4w.
You cannot use 1.6l stuff but all the 1.8 crap will transfer.

Only thing better than a VVT core to start from is an MSM core.
Only difference VVT to MSM is the MSM has both an oil port and cooling port on the left side of the engine for the turbo.

P to W clearance is taken 1/2" below the pin on the piston so the feeler gauge is not real accurate up at the top.
Still sounds like a shitload of clearance...

This is a MSM core, so I'd like to use it for the reasons mentioned. Especially if I'm not going to bother with VVT. I have a VVT pan that has a ton of stress cracking, and the MSM pan. The MSM is in the car now, and is in much better shape so I'll likely swap that when the time comes.

I'll measure at the right spot this evening, I didn't quite make it that far last night.

Thanks for the advice! I will be asking more noob questions as I make parts selections.

technicalninja 09-13-2022 01:59 PM

I prefer the MSM pan over the bp6d pan.
Sorry, I didn't realize you're starting with a MSM to begin with
The MSM pan has the additional motor mount points just like the VVT.
It's also PREDRILLED! for a turbo drain port....
I'm going to make an aluminum flange that bolts on and increase the size and angle of that drain.
It also has a nice port for catch can drain back if you want to use it.

I once had a MSM pan that the PO used for jacking the car up. Bad cracks.
Mazda wanted $800 back then!
I took it off, cleaned it up, and had it TIG welded.
Still had minor seepage...
Cleaned the bottom up (still in car) and smeared JB weld all over it.
That finally sealed it up.
What a PIA!
I will NEVER remove a BP pan again without ripping engine out...

richbobby 09-13-2022 09:48 PM

On closer inspection, the #2 and #4 oil control rings did show some interesting wear. I’d need a microscope to really see, but they almost feel raised, like they wore into the grooves. Like someone re-ringed the motor and skipped the bore/hone it needed.

the top and second ring gaps measured out consistently at .032-.033”, which seems way high. Anybody know the if the MSM ring gap differs?
Searched for a MSM manual but didn’t see much, I’d figure the gaps were opened up some but that seems excessive.


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richbobby 09-13-2022 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by technicalninja (Post 1627867)
I prefer the MSM pan over the bp6d pan.
Sorry, I didn't realize you're starting with a MSM to begin with
The MSM pan has the additional motor mount points just like the VVT.
It's also PREDRILLED! for a turbo drain port....
I'm going to make an aluminum flange that bolts on and increase the size and angle of that drain.
It also has a nice port for catch can drain back if you want to use it.

I once had a MSM pan that the PO used for jacking the car up. Bad cracks.
Mazda wanted $800 back then!
I took it off, cleaned it up, and had it TIG welded.
Still had minor seepage...
Cleaned the bottom up (still in car) and smeared JB weld all over it.
That finally sealed it up.
What a PIA!
I will NEVER remove a BP pan again without ripping engine out...

damn. I had the same thought (TIG the cracks and run it), glad I decided to swap instead.

richbobby 11-12-2022 09:36 PM

OK! so some updates!

I added ID 1050x & R8 Coils. Did lots more street tuning. The car is running good enough, but I had suspicions about the motor. It's a little weak on #2 and #3, seems to be leaking intake valves. Lash is dead on, so something with the seat? Still runs fine and scoots along. It'll get me around until the new motor is built up. Been fixing a few other little annoying things - the HID retrofit the car came with was crap, so I redid it with new morimoto stuff - fixed some interior rattles and things of that nature. It's been super fun at this power level (stock IHI @ 10lbs of boost).

I am having some return to idle stalling issues, seems like a lot of folks with the 1050x and NB2 fuel systems experience this. Maybe changing dead times due to injector heat soak. Currently propped up with big EGO authority and a careful right foot.

I'm building the original motor, so far I've bought:

Supertech 9.0:1 pistons w/ the Wiseco XX rings (shooting for .003-.0035 P2W, .017/.019 ring gaps)
Manley Rods
HD ARP Studs
ARP Mains
Boundary Oil Pump w/ 3 shims
Kraken Top Mount EFR 6758 Kit
Kraken IC Kit
Fluidampr harmonic balancer w/ 36-2 wheel
Supermiata puck clutch disc
Supermiata reroute
Squaretop Intake Manifold
DW200 fuel pump
Flex Fuel Sensor

My crank needs to be ground so I've held off on buying bearings until I get word from the machine shop/can measure things myself. They came back with a really expensive quote (2k for just the block machine work) So I might shop around. Seems like others in the area are ~1200-1500 for labor (deck, bore, hone, align hone)

Still need to buy/looking for advice on:

-Headgasket. Looking at this one: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/s...da/model/miata , which seems popular with SPS/YouTube folks. It is .055" thick, so I'm my plan was to wait on headwork until I know my installed piston/deck height. I would want to make up that ~.023" (less whatever they end up decking off the block) I'd gain over the stock .032" MLS gasket. OR I may just run an appropriately sized MLS gasket. My head needs to be decked anyways (and repaired, there was some erosion that I'll weld before it's decked) so I figured I'd make up the difference there.

-Headwork Stuff: My stock valves are cupped. Seats are in good shape. I could get new valves or have the OEM ones ground.. Not sure what I want to do there. I don't have big RPM goals (stock MSM cams), but I do plan to give it some boost & do some track days. I'll definitely upgrade the springs, but need to decide which set. (ST? Kelford? Catcams?). Guides are concentric but loose - again prob wait until I decide on new valves before addressing the guides.

-Aftermarket fuel rail/regulator - prob go with radium stuff and convert to a return style system. I already pulled a spare NB2 fuel feed line from the yard.
-Skunk 2 Throttle body
-3" cat + muffler(s) + tubing to fab an exhaust
-catchcan setup

I'm trying to build the motor to handle most of what that 6758 can throw at it, and then keep it in a detuned state for longevity. At least until I can justify upgrading the drivetrain.

I also got a QRT-R but might sell it, it's a bit loose for my skinny ass!

Mostly Stock MSM stuff:
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emilio700 11-12-2022 10:44 PM

The 6758 is capable of 500hp. Well beyond what our clutch will cope with. Rated at 340tq. Normally the pucks don't need to be broken in. But in your case I would definitely break it in on no or low boost for at least a 500 miles before applying the torques. If it is not going to be tuned on a dyno and it slips after break in, congratulations you're making a lot of power. If it is being tuned on the Dino, I would try to keep the torque below our max rating.

OMP HTE-R400 Fits the miata well and is tighter on the bottom. Our go to for pretty much any build.

Junk2 TB. If you haven't already, do a little resarch on that. Return Spring isn't strong enough so they get stuck just above idle and all of the fasteners back out. They need a bit of set up before they're ready to go.

richbobby 11-12-2022 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1630595)
The 6758 is capable of 500hp. Well beyond what our clutch will cope with. Rated at 340tq. Normally the pucks don't need to be broken in. But in your case I would definitely break it in on no or low boost for at least a 500 miles before applying the torques. If it is not going to be tuned on a dyno and it slips after break in, congratulations you're making a lot of power. If it is being tuned on the Dino, I would try to keep the torque below our max rating.

OMP HTE-R400 Fits the miata well and is tighter on the bottom. Our go to for pretty much any build.

Junk2 TB. If you haven't already, do a little resarch on that. Return Spring isn't strong enough so they get stuck just above idle and all of the fasteners back out. They need a bit of set up before they're ready to go.

I was hoping you'd chime in! Thanks!

I will def follow your break in advice. I'm not expecting miracles from the clutch, but as mentioned I do want to try to keep things detuned in the short term. I ended up with a 6758 because of a good deal.. ideally I'd get the 62 for my goals but hey, I can grow into this one. I am very interested in some of the drivetrain swap options, and will start collecting parts once I finish this phase of mods.

Re the TB- I have read about the shortcomings. AFAIK any other options are going to likely be more work than fixing up the skunk?

Any guidance for the valve train?

*edit* some threads from over the years talking about BP valve train stuff. Listing here for other noobs riding up the same learning curve

https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...lt-nb2-106011/
https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...t-82462/page7/
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...m-82232/page2/
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...ng-info-70450/

sounds like if I can get away with keeping the stock valve seats/not machining, then that's a plus. Stiffer is likely better for the springs, if I plan to get frisky with boost. Might replace the exhaust valves with stainless or inconel, and be careful to not grind the valve faces. Pay attention to the installed height to get the seat pressure correct. OEM intake valves are prob fine.

emilio700 11-13-2022 12:56 AM

Lots of seat pressure is a good thing. Don't try to gain flow by cutting thin valve seats. Keep them wide. If it is tuned conservatively and doesn't see a lot of high RPM track use, stock valves are fine. We would use inconel and stainless valves because we beat the crap out of them on track. In short, a completely bone stock and OEM dimension valve train with some stiff springs will work just fine. If you have the budget for it, throw some fancy valves at it.

The Junk2 is as good as it gets. I don't expect anyone will ever develop a better throttle body for the BP. If you have the time and money, you could probably adapt a better throttle body from another manifold but that would be an engineering project and some custom cnc stuff.

Gee Emm 11-13-2022 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by richbobby (Post 1630596)
Re the TB- I have read about the shortcomings. AFAIK any other options are going to likely be more work than fixing up the skunk?.

This is the only thing I am qualified to comment on - I think I have installed three on BPs having broken three or four TB throttle shafts on the stock item (some say I am a slow learner, but I don't know ...)

As a result I have become practiced in the fixes. They are simple and effective in addressing the Junk's poor design and manufacture, and they don't break throttle shafts. Nuff said.

A side benefit is that they are a bit bigger diameter so flow better, but that requires smoothing the transition with the manifold.

richbobby 11-15-2022 08:23 PM

cool! It's nice that the list of "big" stuff to buy is dwindling, now I can just let the project nickel and dime me to a slow death.

Hopefully I'll have the bottom end stuff wrapped up in 4-5 weeks.

Decided to do valves, and replace all the guides. Not sure which yet.. the machine shop is going to try to see if they can get some ferrea's to work, or roll the dice with supertech.


richbobby 11-18-2022 11:16 PM

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Supertech it is. Standard Stainless intake, +1 inconel exhaust. Heavy double spring set. The machine shop has been properly drenched with my paranoia about ST valves and their reported failures. I should bring them some doughnuts.

richbobby 12-29-2022 08:59 PM

Head is done, build sheets attached. Any thoughts on the seat load spread? it's only 8%, which seems reasonable, curious what more experienced builders target ?

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I welded a -10 oil return on the oil pan, added two -10 breather ports on the VC, and DIY powder coated them along with the Square Top intake manifold. I only had 2% lanthenated tungsten which was not working well on these dirty cast parts. Good enough for this, though.

A friend has a dedicated oven and the Eastwood powder coat setup. Def into this over paint, but like any finishing work it’s only as good as your prep. I think having a sandblaster is really the only way you’ll get complex cast parts to have a nice finish. I might invest in a setup, or put together a DIY vapor blast cabinet. I don’t have a ton of space but that’s such a time saver, it might be worth figuring that out.



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I want to take the mazdaspeed back to stock, so I can get a known-good smog configuration, and sell off any aftermarket stuff I will not be using. I’ll yank the drivetrain that’s in there now and keep it on the side. If I need to, I’ll drop it back in for smog.

Otherwise, I'm just collecting parts and cleaning/prepping stuff for the engine build. At this point I'm down to selecting/purchasing fuel system stuff. I hope to get the engine together in Jan.

richbobby 02-13-2023 01:03 PM

Progress is being made. fresh coat


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plastigauge backed up my blueprint measurements
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mains torqued. super smooth
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Rod assemblies staged. Had a moment, went to install the 4th piston and something seemed weird. They printed their logo on the “wrong” side relative to the other pistons. I wasn’t referencing the logo when assembling but still had a oh crud moment
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Popping in pistons. this guide rules and made it super easy. Rod journals were on point too.
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The windage tray fouled the mains studs, so I had to modify before installing the oil pan. I didn’t take pics of that whole fiasco because I tend to work as fast as possible like an insane person. Maybe also b/c high on brake clean fumes, who knows. Anyways all the slidy guys are installed and we’re ready for the head studs/head

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head on & torqued
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threw on the intake and exhaust mani’s and turbo for some visual progress. It was a long day! Cant wait to make some pssh pssh noises with this thing https://static.tarck.cc/images/emoji...smile.png?v=12
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into the car next weekend!

unfortunately the 6758 I bought used has a super hammered compressor wheel. Borg is trying to find a replacement for me, and it looks like there are some import options. Bummed because when I asked the seller, he said everything was minty fresh. Win some cats, loose some cats :/


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richbobby 02-16-2023 05:11 PM

Anybody know any West Coast shops that ill balance a turbo? I have a line on a new wheel but will need to get the assembly balanced out. My local guy's balance rig is down right now.

richbobby 05-02-2023 12:14 AM

Wow. Lots has happened since my last post.

Engine went in

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Got some more parts installed in there. Got a full exhaust from Kraken with converter. Borrowed a buncha the orange heat shield from my old job building rocket stuff


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Made up a little intake. Moved some parts around. Everything fits in there nicely now. Since this pic I ended up massaging the setup, the catch can was interfering with the PS line and pushing into the AC compressor when the engine torqued

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Somehow I don't have any more recent pics of the engine bay. I hooked up a 4 port Mac solenoid, Turbosmart IWG75, Circuit Sports coolant res. Ditched the AWR motormounts for roadstersport rubbers from Goodwin. Much better suited to this car, which gets daily driven.

I did some tuning, got the car running nice on 91 and 13-14 lbs of boost.

I also pulled the trans and changed the clutch setup. The Supermiata 4 puck was awesome to drive, but I am in stop/go so much that I could not justify the poor slow speed manners. I threw the SM organic disc back in with an ACT extreme PP.


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The stock seat was killing my back, and I was hitting my head on the roof of the hard top going over bumps. Pulled the trigger on an EVO S, which fits my skinny butt perfect. I bought a used mount off a spec miata kid, cut out the humps and welded some 1/8" plate to the floor. Caught the carpet on fire in the process, luckily it's under the seat sooo NBD. The underside of my carpet is really oily, maybe from the PO driving around with the smoke screen motor and not giving a hoot. Think that's how it went up so quick.

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E85 is some lovely stuff. It even smells good! Ive tuned it up to 20psi. which is such overkill. Have it back down to 16-17 and it's providing all the thrills. Can't wait to get this thing to the drag strip with Carlos (sonofthehill) for some runs before I turn it up more.

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I have the driveway from Heck

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Always be tuning

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I've been driving the car a ton, and slowly refining and improving/tuning/adjusting things. My to-do list is finally slowing down...for this round of modifications. I NEED to get rid of these smoked taillights. Anybody want to trade?

So all that is great, but this engine is on the noisy side, especially when cold under neutral and light throttle. Been over every nut and bolt externally to see if I can find anything. The best way I can describe it is a high frequency clatter between 2700 and 3500 rpm. "piston rattle"

The engine is healthy, compression is spot on 180 each cyl, leak down is ~2.5% (on my crappy HF gauge). If it was a bearing issue the engine would be destroyed already, and I have no real glitter in the oil. Valvetrain is in spec, and has not changed over the several times ive checked.

Think it is just the parts and clearances I selected. Supertech 9:1, .0032" P2W. Idk. It goes away when the engine/oil gets nice and hot.

I need to borrow the borescope from work and have a look to see if there is any cyl wall damage. I’m 50/50 on pulling the engine and tearing it down to inspect. While I’m annoyed by the noise -it sucks to spend a bunch on a motor and have it sound so clattery- this thing loves boost and is perfectly happy when you’re running hard. I'm suspicious it's the pistons, and if I tear it down I’d prob change brands, which would mean a refresh from my long lead machine shop. maybe this winter if the motor lives that long.



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