Noob here just saying hi
Hey just stopping to say hi. I'll be lurking over everyone's post for the next little while. My profile states I own a 2005 MSM, but that is only because that's the one I want to have. :-) Sadly I do not yet own a Miata, but am currently in the market. I have been a long time Miata fan, but never had the opportunity to drive one until last week. (NA, all stock, it was in pretty rough shape) It was at that point that I discovered how much fun these things are to drive.
Anyway, I'm 35, with four kids, a minivan, and a motorcycle. I'm currently trying to sell the bike, to help pay for the Miata. I have an old Ford Escort as a winter beater as well. My previous car was an '01 Mustang GT. How on earth can I buy a Miata with 4 kids you ask? Well, the purpose of my car is really just to commute to work and back, and I rarely have to carry any other people in it. That's what the minivan is for. If I ever do have to carry a few more people, I can always take the Escort if needed. Plus, the Miata holds double the amount of people my motorcycle does! And a trunk to boot! :-D I'm shopping for an NB, as those are mostly what are in my price range (sub $10k), and I think they're the best looking. I'm still researching, and am battling between buying a regular one for under $4k and then buying a FM turbo kit to put in it, or just buying an MSM. The MSM would be more wife friendly, as I don't think she'd take too kindly to me spending $3500-$4000 on go fast bits, even though a kit plus the car would end up being about the same price as an MSM. She also wouldn't be too excited about being a single mother for 2 weeks as I install the thing. I love the way the MSM looks and love the idea of a stock turbo with no work involved. But don't let that give you the idea that installing a turbo in a Miata doesn't sound like a hell of a good time to me. Honestly it would be a very fun project. Just hard to fit in with the kids, and that always makes me end up rushing projects, which I wouldn't want to do on this. The problem will be finding an MSM with low mileage in my price range. I'm game for traveling pretty much anywhere west of the Mississippi to get it, so here's hoping. I'm not a mechanic, nor do I work with cars much on a regular basis. Just your average enthusiasts, but I do like to do my own work on my cars when I can. After researching it a bit, watching a few videos, and perusing through the FM installation manual, I think installing an FM turbo kit would be daunting, but not impossible for me. Either way, My goal is to end up with a reliable, 180hp+ Miata for daily use, whether that be through an MSM, or an after market turbo install. I'll probably drive it here and there in the winter just for fun, but mostly I'll be using the old beater during the winter. So that's me, I'll probably be creeping on your posts, and sticking my nose in here and there where I'm not welcome, and asking some dumb questions. I'm looking forward to getting involved in the community here. This may be my first Miata, but it is FAR from my first time on an internet forum. (I'm in IT) :noob: |
Welcome to the forum! Modifying a daily driver is tough due to the occasional down time while it is under construction. But it can be done.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
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Welcome to the forum! Modifying a daily driver is tough due to the occasional down time while it is under construction. But it can be done.
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Depending on their ages, you can get the kids involved, make them a part of the project rather than have them pushed aside because of the project. Every child is a potential gear head :)
Keith |
Originally Posted by Twodoor
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Depending on their ages, you can get the kids involved, make them a part of the project rather than have them pushed aside because of the project. Every child is a potential gear head :)
Keith OK I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but she would be much more appreciative of a turn key car rather than a project. |
Originally Posted by paqman
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I'm not even sure how I'd even present it to the wife anyway. "so... I've got $10k to spend on a car, I found a good one that is only $5k, which leaves me $5k for upgrades that I won't recoup on resell!"
OK I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but she would be much more appreciative of a turn key car rather than a project. Keith |
paqman, congrats on signing up at the best site on the web!
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Originally Posted by Twodoor
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Ummm, I purchased a house without in depth discussion with my wife.... it is costing me a renovation a decade later, but sort of shows how I would handle it :D
Keith |
Originally Posted by 18psi
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My wife next to my mistress:D
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1345347619 Also, there is no economic justification for a 3rd vehicle Miata. |
Originally Posted by DNMakinson
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Also, there is no economic justification for a 3rd vehicle Miata. |
He is saying that a Miata is a toy. No matter how you try to justify it... so either treat it as a toy or don't purchase one. Fuel economy sucks for a sub 2500lb car, so that argument is out... get a VW turbo diesel if you want fuel economy.
Since it is a toy, you have to justify to your wife spending 10K on a toy. If she can't accept that then just give up and get an economical commuter car... Keith |
Originally Posted by Twodoor
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He is saying that a Miata is a toy. No matter how you try to justify it... so either treat it as a toy or don't purchase one. Fuel economy sucks for a sub 2500lb car, so that argument is out... VW diesel if you want fuel economy.
Since it is a toy, you have to justify to your wife spending 10K on a toy. If she can't accept that then just give up and get an economical commuter car... Keith Also, if you think about the value of these cars, most of them at the age I'm looking have already deprecated drastically, so you can easily buy one, enjoy it for a few years and probably get out of it what you bought it for. Not so if I spend a bunch of money on a turbo kit. Granted if I buy a $10-$12k MSM, it probably has a bit of depreciation left in it, but they have the advantage of being rare, so can still hold value pretty good. Sorry for rambling. I did get to go and test drive an '04 MSM yesterday with only 45k mileson it. It is really the only one for sale in Utah, so I had test drive it even if it was a bit out of my price range. However, at $12k, it's not a bad deal, and man it is in good shape. And driving one has only solidified that as my choice. I was hoping to pay cash for my next car, but I may be tempted into taking out a small loan for this one. :-D |
Originally Posted by DNMakinson
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From the Heavy Pig build thread. Works for Vlad, might not work for everyone.
Also, there is no economic justification for a 3rd vehicle Miata. I was going to sell it. But just couldn't do it. Welcome to the forum lol |
Originally Posted by 18psi
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I was kinda stunned to see my picture in a random noob into thread lol
I was going to sell it. But just couldn't do it. Welcome to the forum lol |
Welcome buddy. You crazy if you spend 12k on an NB even if it is an MSM. Be patient and I'm sure you can find one for a lot less than that.
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Originally Posted by Monk
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Welcome buddy. You crazy if you spend 12k on an NB even if it is an MSM. Be patient and I'm sure you can find one for a lot less than that.
That being said, I have found on in Colorado that has 45k on the clock, looks pretty good from the pictures, and the guy is only asking $10,500 for it. And it's only about an hour away from my brother, so I could have him go look at it. So I may try to consider that one. It's only about an 8 hour drive from me. |
One really important thing to keep in mind:
a bone stock MSM will require quite a few things to feel and be "proper". stock ecu is beyond terrible and should be swapped out asap, stock intake and bpv are known to suck, and stock tb elbow is a known failure point on those cars. After you upgrade those things you'll be another 3-4k into the car to make it feel like it should have from the factory, and more importantly to make it reliable. So really you'll be way over 10k all in on an MSM. Unless you find one with all those things already addressed, which is rare. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
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One really important thing to keep in mind:
a bone stock MSM will require quite a few things to feel and be "proper". stock ecu is beyond terrible and should be swapped out asap, stock intake and bpv are known to suck, and stock tb elbow is a known failure point on those cars. After you upgrade those things you'll be another 3-4k into the car to make it feel like it should have from the factory, and more importantly to make it reliable. So really you'll be way over 10k all in on an MSM. Unless you find one with all those things already addressed, which is rare. |
The ecu issue I mentioned makes the MSM just as slow as a regular NB until you get to about 5k rpm. Some have it less, some have it really bad, there is no rhyme or reason to it. I'd hate to get low 20's mpg city and be as slow as a n/a miata until 5k. And redline is 6500, and of all the 6 speed miata's, the msm has the shortest gearing due to the 4.1 fd.
But if you're ok with all that, then cool. |
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