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Old 12-30-2014, 09:24 AM   #1
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Default Supercharger Vs. Turbo

Hi all.

A ? form the new guy.

My Miata 1,8 NB is up for a boost - I have fund 2 possible contenders for my projekt.

The Moss MP62 superchargerkit
The Flyin´Miata Voodoo II (turbo kit)

Both of them are ready fit kits - but i dont know wich one to choise ?

Hope for input from you guy´s.

(sorry about the spelling - My danish is a lot better )
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The big question is, what are you going to use to control spark and fuel?
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thirdgen: the is an ECU controller for both to control the fuel - they are both readyfit without any mods. to the orig. setup.
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What kind of controller is it? Are you talking about the powercard, and the voodoo box?
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What kind of controller is it? Are you talking about the powercard, and the voodoo box?
Yes, powercard for The supercharger and voodoo box for The turbokit.

Both manufakturs say that card and box is all i need ?
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both will "work", but neither will be particularly good.
are you considering buying each kit new?
if so, just order the non-electronics kit from FM and purchase a proper ecu
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"Proper ecu"? You mean the boxes provided by those manufactures won't be good enough to support my needs?
Why are you trying to overload my brain capacity? Clearly I have searched and have read everything possible pertaining to this question...
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Before we go any further - what are the vehicle inspection laws in Denmark? Do they plug the car in yearly or bi-yearly to check OBD or something similar? Do they do any underhood inspections or anything?

Ideally you want a standalone ECU like a Megasquirt, AEM EMS, Haltech, etc. However, those won't return the codes necessary for inspection in some areas and so depending on the frequency of the inspections you may be stuck with another option.

In regards to actual models? FM has a good reputation. There will also be a rotrex based supercharger kit coming soon that looks pretty solid.
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So you rekommend the non elektric version with the turbo kit.

Dont no what i ECU alone will cost ?
Not looking to spend much more then the standard kits cost.
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Before we go any further - what are the vehicle inspection laws in Denmark? Do they plug the car in yearly or bi-yearly to check OBD or something similar? Do they do any underhood inspections or anything?



Ideally you want a standalone ECU like a Megasquirt, AEM EMS, Haltech, etc. However, those won't return the codes necessary for inspection in some areas and so depending on the frequency of the inspections you may be stuck with another option.

In regards to actual models? FM has a good reputation. There will also be a rotrex based supercharger kit coming soon that looks pretty solid.
Inspektion in DK are every 2 years. The kit mounted will be writen to The car and i have to pay tax for the hp inprovement.
But that is fine, just have to get The right kit.

Not looking for 300hp. Ud i can get 200+ i will be i happy camper
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the difference is roughly 300 dollars.
the difference in performance and efficiency is worth way more than that.

you're going to need to start doing more research so you can start asking less stupid questions. we will only be nice for a little while, and then you will understand why this place has a reputation for not spoon feeding new members.
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Standard Voodoo II: $3,345
Non-Electronics FM II: $2,995

What year is your car? YES, it will cost a bit ($200-$400) more than if you bought the FM Voodoo box but an actual EMS will give you a better more reliable car in the long run.
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I bet you could find out what the other ECUs cost pretty easily.
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Standard Voodoo II: $3,345
Non-Electronics FM II: $2,995

What year is your car? YES, it will cost a bit ($200-$400) more than if you bought the FM Voodoo box but an actual EMS will give you a better more reliable car in the long run.
My car is i standard 1999 1,8 140hp.
If the fm kit with no electrics works with A ecu (400$)
Can the engine take that power ?
Trying to get something that works without hacking to rebild.

Thx alle for your input.
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the difference is roughly 300 dollars.
the difference in performance and efficiency is worth way more than that.

you're going to need to start doing more research so you can start asking less stupid questions. we will only be nice for a little while, and then you will understand why this place has a reputation for not spoon feeding new members.
Sorry. Only looking for advice about what to do.
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DIYPNP Nippon Denso 76pin Unassembled Kit DIYAutoTune.com

Almost everyone agrees that the stock motor can take up to 220lb/ft of torque before you need upgrades such as rods. That equates to roughly 250hp. Your clutch will need to be replaced long before that.
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DIYPNP Nippon Denso 76pin Unassembled Kit DIYAutoTune.com

Almost everyone agrees that the stock motor can take up to 220lb/ft of torque before you need upgrades such as rods. That equates to roughly 250hp. Your clutch will need to be replaced long before that.
Thank you so much. I will ordre A kit in the start of 2015.
Happy new year all !
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Here is a page on this exact model and what needs to be done. You will also need a wideband oxygen sensor...

https://www.diyautotune.com/diypnp/a...0-18bp-mt.html
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Thank you so much. I will ordre A kit in the start of 2015.
Happy new year all !
What we are trying to say is that you should probably go with a standalone ECU instead of the bandaids that come with either of those kits. A standalone ECU will work with whatever setup you go with, but give you far more control over the engine then the piggybacks. After you get a standalone in and tuned you can then decide which is better for you.

I would suggest checking out Reverants offerings from MSLabs. He is in Greece and it would probably be easier to get one from him then from the US.
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Here is a very good ECU from a very good vendor. https://www.miataturbo.net/ms-labs-m...ms-labs-69930/
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