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Laur3ns 12-08-2008 05:38 AM

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This is what I've got now after several tries. I upped my cranking PWs and my ASE. Warmup is unaffected. I really needed to up them ALOT in the colder temperatures. At around 0 C it is not brilliant yet, but I will get there.

miatamania 12-08-2008 12:33 PM

Thanks, that gives me a great place to start.

I can't get the car to start below 40 degrees with stock injectors period without start fluid. After it starts and coolant temps get above 45-50, it'll have issues, but still crank. after 60, starts right up. Not sure why. I've tried a shit ton of different values in cranking settings.

I'm swapping in the 550s while the car is down for a turbo rebuild and hopefully it will be enough fuel. I'm just wondering if the stock injectors are fucked, I had a bit of a rough idle on stock ECU...new plugs/wires, stuff like that.

Braineack 12-08-2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by miatamania (Post 338765)
TI can't get the car to start below 40 degrees with stock injectors period without start fluid. After it starts and coolant temps get above 45-50, it'll have issues, but still crank. after 60, starts right up. Not sure why. I've tried a shit ton of different values in cranking settings.


sounds like not enough fuel during cranking still.

miatamania 12-08-2008 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 338769)
sounds like not enough fuel during cranking still.

Def. I haven't been able to pull the msq off the laptop, but the PW on the stock injectors are well above like...12 pw/s. and only sometimes will it sputter and act like its trying to start. Above that it wont do anything, below it wont either.

johndoe 12-08-2008 12:53 PM

With the settings I posted I haven't missed a start yet including this morning when it was 16F. Took a little longer to catch today, guess I could add fuel but better to get that oil flowing right? Once it catches it purs like a kitten too. Been lucky I guess. I just stole Paul's numbers and haven't had any issues.

evank 12-08-2008 01:15 PM

Been tinkering with my car's cold start-up settings too.

Cold-temp CPWs weren't high enough, ASE was too lean, warmup wizard settings were too rich. More tweaking is needed but now I'm in the ballpark. Also the coolant temp readout in Megatune is too low -- last night it said 11 when the outside temp didn't dip below the low 20s all day.

Paul says this is because of a mis-setting in EasyTherm. I don't know anything about that.

Laur3ns 12-08-2008 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by johndoe (Post 338775)
With the settings I posted I haven't missed a start yet including this morning when it was 16F. Took a little longer to catch today, guess I could add fuel but better to get that oil flowing right? Once it catches it purs like a kitten too. Been lucky I guess. I just stole Paul's numbers and haven't had any issues.

You posted your cranking PWs in this thead. Could you post your ASE and WarmUp too please?

miatamania 01-18-2009 09:24 PM

Does anybody have any settings for 550cc BELOW 35 degrees....I've been trying a lot of stuff...it'll sputter once, but NEVER start.

Braineack 01-18-2009 09:41 PM

only gone as low as 30*F, no issues with 460s.

miatamania 01-20-2009 02:30 PM

To about freezing they do OK, anything at or below, I can't get shit to start, I can't seem to get much difference. Sometimes I get a sputter when I first turn the key, but that is it. I have to wait 30 seconds to a minute to try again, and I get the same sputter.


When it cranks like it should, it takes one turn of the key, the first fire up is perfect, idles rough for less than a second and finds the idle and is great.

y8s 01-21-2009 02:20 PM

did some changes today on cold cranking. at -5C I have about 40% enrichment. I think that's a hair too much, but it starts eventually. Next time I will try 35%. I'm trying to get the cranking AFR to be around 10:1 or 10.5:1. right now it pegs the WB at 9.8 so I don't know what it REALLY is.

levnubhin 01-21-2009 02:47 PM

It was 40* this morning and it took me a little over an hour to get my car. My car hasn't seen these temps with MS so my setings were way off. By the time I got it started I had to have my other car running with jumper cables connected to my battery and I had to pull my plugs once to dry out the cylinders. I got it though. What do you goys with 550's in 40* weather have your crank settings at?
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Braineack 01-21-2009 03:21 PM

you need less fuelz.


these should get you running at those temps:

5.9
5.4
5.3
4.9
4.4
3.8
3.3
2.7
2.2
2.1



i shaved 20% off my 460cc map.

levnubhin 01-21-2009 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 356484)
you need less fuelz.


these should get you running at those temps:

5.9
5.4
5.3
4.9
4.4
3.8
3.3
2.7
2.2
2.1



i shaved 20% off my 460cc map.


I'll give them a try. What would you suggest for warm up?
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Braineack 01-21-2009 04:12 PM

once it catches, its in the hands of ASE, that slowly decays out to warmup enrichments. i believe i still have the PNP defaults for those, i might have added a touch a fuel, shooting for a 12.5:1 warmup.


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